Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

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Hey now, that “asinine banal piano phrase” is my favorite part.

Really liked this bit of overthinking. I didn’t know about the Warhol novel, Which does seem like it must have influenced it.

eva logorrhea (bendy), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 14:13 (five years ago) link

I've never heard anyone in the VU ever talk about why this track was recorded, given that they had lots of material they could have recorded, or how it was recorded or how it was written etc.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 15:58 (five years ago) link

He's right that it's weirdly un-discussed for a band so thoroughly interviewed and written about. I'd like to know the story of how Reed got the text into the Paris Review in 1972.

eva logorrhea (bendy), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 16:03 (five years ago) link

Lou was sorta moving around in the New York poetry world in his post-velvets / pre-solo career days.
there's a radio interview from the late 60s where he talks pretty extensively about Murder Mystery.

tylerw, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 16:09 (five years ago) link

some detail here: http://www.richieunterberger.com/vuexc11.html

tylerw, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 16:09 (five years ago) link

I've always felt the chords were very bossa nova influenced.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 16:26 (five years ago) link

ooh, case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44GRRnhZSGM

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 16:26 (five years ago) link

That's like the quietest Youtube video ever.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 18:34 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Sweet! Same performance...

https://static.spin.com/files/1411225-velvet-underground.jpg

The Vangelis of Dating (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 08:00 (five years ago) link

love how it goes "friends and vacation" then off to a rock show, the VU play and it instantly cuts to Brakhage style film painting and manipulation

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 10:49 (five years ago) link

ha, Moe is wearing a New York Jets sweatshirt

Brad C., Wednesday, 6 March 2019 14:24 (five years ago) link

Getting that fleeting glimpse of the VU definitely made my week.

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 14:59 (five years ago) link

Some more trainspotting over here https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/183242727312/the-velvet-underground-white-rock-lake-dallas

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link

awesome clip!

and congrats on 10 years of doomin' and gloomin' tyler!

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 March 2019 00:34 (five years ago) link

one day the lost macdougal street version of the first velvets album will be released

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 00:44 (five years ago) link

thank you stevie !!!

budo jeru, Thursday, 7 March 2019 01:31 (five years ago) link

xp you don't mean the acetate do you? because that was on the 45th anniversary VUaN set.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 7 March 2019 02:17 (five years ago) link

no, i'm making a sort of joke about lou reed writing the songs for the first vu record as greenwich village folk songs

i'll be happy if somebody just puts out that rehearsal tape by one of the pickwick bands with reed and cale, that sounds like something i'd love, even if they don't wind up playing "do the ostrich" for twelve minutes or something ridiculous

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 03:24 (five years ago) link

isn’t that stuff on the first disc of the “peel slowly” box ?

or

budo jeru, Thursday, 7 March 2019 03:33 (five years ago) link

fits the stated requirements

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 7 March 2019 04:52 (five years ago) link

i could never really listen to that first disc because they stuck all the takes of each song together on one track, i appreciate the completionist instinct but come on was it not worth the bother of properly editing?

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Thursday, 7 March 2019 13:41 (five years ago) link

i actually just listened to that first PSAS disc for the first time in a while yesterday — great stuff, but yeah, weirdly put together. there was a bootleg LP from a little while back that pulled together the best takes (and added other early demos): https://www.discogs.com/The-Velvet-Underground-Prominent-Men/release/3506704

tylerw, Thursday, 7 March 2019 16:09 (five years ago) link

Has the Peel Slowly And See/Fully Loaded version of Loaded - ie, the long versions of Sweet Jane and New Age - ever been pressed on vinyl?

my future think tank (stevie), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:30 (five years ago) link

Also when Lou says "just watch me now" on Sweet Jane, what are we supposed to see?

my future think tank (stevie), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:31 (five years ago) link

https://www.reasontorock.com/tracks/sweet_jane.html

Gein apologist (brownie), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:33 (five years ago) link

from the link posted above these images: "Their clothing is described, although the observation of Jack in a corset is to be taken metaphorically." - really? The corset is a metaphor? It seems like a pretty narrow view to say the corset is metaphorical.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link

Also when Lou says "just watch me now" on Sweet Jane, what are we supposed to see?

― my future think tank (stevie), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:31 (four hours ago) Permalink

Expounding on Reason to Rock's deep dive all the tossed off lines in this song, but this one in particular, has always made me think of Lou kind of goofing off during that vocal take, those asides and his delivery, to me anyway, feel like him trying to get someone in the control room to laugh.

That vocal feels so "fuck it" in the best possible way, which makes that pivot & lean in on "life is only just to die" so powerful.

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link

I think it's a reference to "Do you love me?" - see also the intro to "I Love You Suzanne" for another.

Mark G, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link

Oh, and for those from a week ago..

http://albumsthatshouldexist.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-velvet-underground-prominent-men.html?m=0#comment-form

Mark G, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 16:55 (five years ago) link

nb: Lou's personal archive is now at NYC's Lincoln Center library

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 16:59 (five years ago) link

...movie stars arrive by limousine
The klieg lights shoot up over the skyline of Manhattan
but the lights are out on the mean streets

What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Todd Haynes Velvets doc to premiere at Cannes today

https://consequenceofsound.net/2019/05/todd-haynes-velvet-underground-doc/

city worker, Thursday, 16 May 2019 13:51 (four years ago) link

Guess the Haynes doc is still very much in-progress:

The long awaited authorized documentary of one of rock 'n roll's legendary bands is in production, and we are looking to you for help!

The Velvet Underground is calling on their loyal fanbase to hike up to those attics, dust off those boxes and dive into any treasured materials you have been holding on to for a moment like this!

Critically acclaimed director Todd Haynes and his team have been working closely with the band and Universal Music/Verve Records to uncover treasures to bring this film to life, but now we need YOU to make their story come alive in a way that has never been done before!

Since the band’s short career existed in relative obscurity in terms of major coverage by local and national television stations, we are asking you to help us portray the amazing, life changing experiences that occurred with this legendary group by sharing your beloved personal materials of the Velvet Underground including:

* Velvet Underground performance footage/photos
* Photos / home videos of you / your friends at a Velvet Underground show
* Ephemera/posters advertising the performances
* Newspaper clippings from your local print highlighting/advertising the shows

Important Notes:

Please do not send any photos or videos initially, only send us a short note telling us what you have available including the show date, and a general description of what you have (example: “May 26th, 1967 at the Boston Tea Party, 8mm silent footage shot and owned by myself”).

We must know what years the material was shot, what format it was shot in, and what format it is currently in. (i.e. 8mm, 16mm, digital, etc.)

Please let us know if this footage is a dub, original, edited, or a camera original.

Please let us know if you are the sole rights holder for the material.

Please let us know if you're capable of digitizing and uploading the material. If we use the material in the final film we will pay you a licensing fee.

Send the descriptions of your photos, audio, and/or films to us at VUdocument✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧, and we will follow up about reviewing your material. Thank you, and stay in touch!

tylerw, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link

Anything less than an in-depth Steve Sesnick interview and I'll be disappointed.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link

should probably be a whole errol morris steve sesnick doc

tylerw, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:10 (four years ago) link

So many of the principals are dead now. At least we'll be seeing a lot of Doug Yule (I assume), for a change.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link

speaking of doug!

Incomplete VPRO 1971 Soundboard Reconstruction: https://mega.nz/#F!WH5ilIwD!yGhP0vRxQSvhTEGBMx8juw

01 - I'm Waiting For The Man (Instruments Drop Out)
02 - White Light/White Heat (Complete)
03 - What Goes On (Complete)
04 - Cool It Down (Complete)
05 - Oh! Sweet Nuthin' (Complete)
06 - Sister Ray/Never Going Back To Georgia (Complete)
07 - After Hours (Announcer Speaks Over Track And It Fades Out Early)

tylerw, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link

hey Tyler, what's up with that gmail address on the press release? I can't tell if it's supposed to just be VUdoument@gmail or if I'm missing something, haha.

whitehallunity, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:59 (four years ago) link

"documentary" - ilx automatically obscures email addys

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link

oh woops! yeah it's vudocumentary at gmail

tylerw, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link

Whoa, "Instruments Drop Out" indeed!

While My Guitar Gently Wheedly-Wheedly-Wheedly-Weeps (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link

thanks! I've got some newspaper coverage photos from an EPI show that I figured I'd send along.

whitehallunity, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:24 (four years ago) link

four weeks pass...

THE VELVET UNDERGROUND – THE COMPLETE MATRIX TAPES

LIMITED EDITION, EIGHT-LP VINYL BOX SET

TO BE RELEASED ON JULY 12

Box Set Includes 43 Live Performances Capturing The Band’s Legendary Stand At

San Francisco’s Fabled Club

“A historic set of high-fidelity 1969 recordings capture the band at a pinnacle of white-hot guitar jams and streetwise poetics.” “it’s one of the band’s defining documents” – Rolling Stone (4 out of 5 stars)

“Fascinating sound of a band stretching out” – The Guardian (5 out of 5 stars)

June 27, 2019 – The Velvet Underground toured extensively in 1969, but set up shop in San Francisco in November and early December for a series of 18 nights over four separate engagements, the first at the Family Dog, the rest at the fabled North Beach club the Matrix, opened in a one-time pizza parlor by Jefferson Airplane’s Marty Balin in 1965. Over the course of their residency, which began November 11th, the club’s four-track recorder, manned by owner Peter Abram from a booth at the side of the stage, was rolling through much of it.

The Complete Matrix Tapes captures the highlights of two nights – November 26, the day Richard Nixon authorized a bill to create a draft lottery, and November 27, Thanksgiving – as detailed in Rolling Stone editor David Fricke’s liner notes in the box set booklet.

Originally released as a CD box set, The Velvet Underground – The Complete Matrix Tapes (Polydor/UME) makes its vinyl debut as a limited edition, eight-LP, 43-track box set and will be available worldwide on July 12 and exclusively available in the U.S. through shop.velvetundergroundmusic.com.

These shows, taped several months after the release of the third, self-titled Velvet Underground album earlier that year, and before heading to the studio to record Loaded the following spring, featured the post-John Cale incarnation of the band, with newest member Doug Yule on bass and keyboards joining Lou Reed and remaining members guitarist Sterling Morrison and percussionist Maureen Tucker. Some versions of these performances, taken from soundboard mixes, were first issued in 1974 by Mercury Records as part of a double LP, 1969 The Velvet Underground Live, while other audience recorded versions released were taken from cassette tapes made by the late Bob Quine, a huge fan and, at the time, a St. Louis law student who later went on to play guitar for both Richard Hell and Reed. Quine was at a number of the shows during their stint at the club, and his cache eventually was released in 2001 as The Quine Tapes.

The Velvet Underground – The Complete Matrix Tapes features 43 recordings that have been mixed down directly from the original in-house multi-tracks, including the 18 tracks featured on a Super Deluxe Edition of the Velvets’ third album and nine previously unreleased performances marking the first time all the available tapes will be released commercially. As can be heard, the shows were intimate, and features early versions of yet-to-be-recorded songs like “Sweet Jane,” “New Age” and “Rock & Roll.” Set One includes previously unreleased versions of “Some Kinda Love” and “Sweet Jane,” while Set Two’s rarities include performances of “There She Goes Again,” “After Hours” and “We’re Gonna Have a Real Good Time Together.” Set Three’s highlight is the almost 40-minute-long “Sister Ray,” previously heard on the Super Deluxe Edition of Velvet Underground. Rare live takes of “Venus in Furs” (one on Set One, the other Set Two) and Set One’s “The Black Angel’s Death Song” (according to Fricke’s liner notes, the first time Yule had ever played the song) are also notable for their inclusion here.

Concludes Fricke about The Velvet Underground – The Complete Matrix Tapes: “On one hand, [it] is just two nights, in one room, in the life of a working band. It also has everything they aspired to and achieved on stage, every night, everywhere: the magnificent aggression and determined joy; the fictions shot through with truth; the lasting bonds established in almost total, commercial blackout. You can easily walk into the music and never want to leave – a perfect definition of both a great rock & roll gig and a history that keeps on giving.”

Track Listing:

THE VELVET UNDERGROUND – THE COMPLETE MATRIX TAPES LP BOX

LP ONE

Side 1

I'm Waiting For The Man (Version 1)

What Goes On (Version 1)

Side 2

Some Kinda Love (Version 1)

Heroin (Version 1)

LP TWO

Side 1

The Black Angel's Death Song

Venus In Furs (Version 1)

There She Goes Again (Version 1)

We're Gonna Have A Real Good Time Together (Version 1)

Over You (Version 1)

Side 2

Sweet Jane (Version 1)

Pale Blue Eyes

After Hours (Version 1)

LP THREE

Side 1

I'm Waiting For The Man (Version 2)

Venus In Furs (Version 2)

Some Kinda Love (Version 2)

Over You (Version 2)

Side 2

I Can't Stand It (Version 1)

There She Goes Again (Version 2)

After Hours (Version 2)

LP FOUR

Side 1

We're Gonna Have A Real Good Time Together (Version 2)

Sweet Bonnie Brown (It's Just Too Much)

Heroin (Version 2)

Side 2

White Light/White Heat (Version 1)

I'm Set Free

LP FIVE

Side 1

We're Gonna Have A Real Good Time Together (Version 3)

Some Kinda Love (Version 3)

There She Goes Again (Version 3)

Side 2

Heroin (Version 3)

Ocean

LP SIX

Side 1

Sister Ray Part 1

Side 2

Sister Ray Part 2

LP SEVEN

Side 1

I'm Waiting For The Man (Version 3)

What Goes On (Version 2)

Some Kinda Love (Version 4)

Side 2

We're Gonna Have A Real Good Time Together (Version 4)

Beginning To See The Light

Lisa Says

New Age

LP EIGHT

Side 1

Rock & Roll

I Can't Stand It Anymore (Version 2)

Side 2

Heroin (Version 4)

White Light/White Heat (Version 2)

Sweet Jane (Version 2)

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Thursday, 27 June 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link

Hope they reissue the CD set at the same time. Or maybe I'll be able to get it used.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 27 June 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link

marking the first time all the available tapes will be released commercially.

unless I'm missing something, the 4CD set has 42 of these 43 vinyl-box tracks

Ambient Police (sleeve), Thursday, 27 June 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link

Hoping the CD gets a repress as well. But the vinyl is already out some places. Fuckin' stupid format for 40+ minute tracks.

Invisible (Noel Emits), Thursday, 27 June 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link

Or even 37 minutes.

Invisible (Noel Emits), Thursday, 27 June 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link

agree 100%, I hate that

Ambient Police (sleeve), Thursday, 27 June 2019 14:54 (four years ago) link


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