TRUE DETECTIVE season 3

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I'm really creeped out by pink prison basement

I was initially scared that the cop-turned-security guy was going to flip a switch and Tom would get locked in that room with the bank vault door without seeing a soul

mh, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:02 (one year ago) link

I'm guessing Tom kills cop-turned-security guy which is why he vanished during the second investigation. not sure what's going to happen to tom though.

akm, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:07 (one year ago) link

this is a show where my immediate response is "yeah, I hope he takes out that guy. had it coming."

mh, Monday, 11 February 2019 21:18 (one year ago) link

My current theory is that Julie is safe in 1990 and is being put in danger by the investigation and that maybe even Hayes and West are being used by certain "nefarious men" to find her.

ryan, Monday, 11 February 2019 22:11 (one year ago) link

this season is not bringing me joy, less so than even season 2 :(

johnny crunch, Monday, 11 February 2019 22:15 (one year ago) link

I like mahershadorff more than mattharrelson. so I will enjoy the last quarter of this season no matter what.

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 11 February 2019 22:48 (one year ago) link

just hope mahershala says that time is a conic frustum before it's over

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 11 February 2019 22:49 (one year ago) link

we got carcosa last night

googling around I was surprised to find so many people leaning on the theory that henry and elisa are having an affair (totally missed this) or that they are partners and there is no documentary

akm, Monday, 18 February 2019 17:58 (one year ago) link

Theory? Wasn't it explicitly revealed in last week's episode that they are having an affair?

As for the other theory, why would Henry scam his dad instead of, you know, just asking Wayne to tell him about the case? Sounds far-fetched.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 February 2019 21:58 (one year ago) link

The way everyone in this episode emphasised the pedophile ring theory, together with the corrupt cop telling the detectives they don't know what's really going on, makes me think that Pizzolatto is gonna pull a twist ending and it's not a pedophile conspiracy, nor related to season 1, but something else.

They spent an awful lot talking about Hoyt's daughter for that to be irrelevant, so maybe the kids were for some reason meant for her? She was probably living in the pink room seen in the previous ep.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 February 2019 22:03 (one year ago) link

They said Hoyt's daughter lost her husband and kid in a car crash and went kinda nuts after that... So maybe Julie was kidnapped to become a replacement daughter daughter for her? And if she was brainwashed to believe the daughter is her real mom, that would explain the confused phone message she left for the cops.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 February 2019 22:10 (one year ago) link

My wild ass theory is that this season will bleed directly into the next, somehow.

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 18 February 2019 22:16 (one year ago) link

The way everyone in this episode emphasised the pedophile ring theory, together with the corrupt cop telling the detectives they don't know what's really going on, makes me think that Pizzolatto is gonna pull a twist ending and it's not a pedophile conspiracy, nor related to season 1, but something else.

Yeah, there's something to this. The replacement daughter scenario definitely feels more likely than pedophile ring...That said, I'm not getting the sense the ending will be a full scooby doo style retcon of the season 1 mythology.

ryan, Monday, 18 February 2019 22:39 (one year ago) link

(I should say, the mythology as interpreted by Rust...who is in a lot of ways a mirror image of Wayne. Rust has lots of self-knowledge, is a kind of super-hero detective, remembers everything, incredibly introspective...the opposite of Wayne, for whom this story seems to heading in the direction of a rather severe self-reckoning.)

ryan, Monday, 18 February 2019 22:43 (one year ago) link

just watched ep 4 and you guys weren't wrong, it was bad. the race stuff was just terribly written/conceived. makes me wanna bail but i'll watch 5 tonight and see how i feel.

calumy (rip van wanko), Monday, 18 February 2019 22:44 (one year ago) link

I don’t know why, but I find nic pizzolatto hanging out in his comments telling people that their true detective theories are wrong extremely funny pic.twitter.com/kFkYY8cOY1

— Nick Usen (@nickusen) February 18, 2019

Number None, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:46 (one year ago) link

oh man

I haven't read it but apparently there's an interview where he gets angry about people reading things into the subtext that he didn't intentionally put there

at some point a good writer tends to say things like "that's not what I intended, but.." or "that's interesting, I hadn't thought about it that way" but he's out there fighting fires

mh, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:48 (one year ago) link

i could see it being annoying tho. people watch tv and use the same great minds that brought you the flat earth or pizzagate to interpret what's happening in a show

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:53 (one year ago) link

iirc the question was whether there was a homoerotic subcontext between Tom and West in season 3

I mean, maybe something jumps out later that makes it a definitive no, but given what we've seen you could definitely interpret that

it reads more like empathy from a long-term alcoholic for a closeted gay man who has drinking problems. but hey, ambiguous subtext

mh, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:16 (one year ago) link

"Theory? Wasn't it explicitly revealed in last week's episode that they are having an affair?" If it was I completely missed that scene which is entirely possible since watching TV at my house means also having to take breaks and tell my dogs to stop fucking barking because the neighbor dared to close their car door too loudly

akm, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:18 (one year ago) link

yeah it did happen last week. him and his dad talked about it

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:19 (one year ago) link

iirc the question was whether there was a homoerotic subcontext between Tom and West in season 3

I mean, maybe something jumps out later that makes it a definitive no, but given what we've seen you could definitely interpret that

it reads more like empathy from a long-term alcoholic for a closeted gay man who has drinking problems. but hey, ambiguous subtext

― mh, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:16 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i guess this isn't the most unreasonable fan theory I've heard

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:20 (one year ago) link

it's a really great example of a possible subtext that changes how you could perceive aspects of the show differently without really affecting the overall plot

mh, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:29 (one year ago) link

this looks shipped. i can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few ships in my time.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:33 (one year ago) link

I don't know what that means.

akm, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:51 (one year ago) link

i have a theory that the room is fuchsia

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 22:16 (one year ago) link

and the man with one eye has two eyes, one of which is cloudy

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 22:20 (one year ago) link

going back and reading things I realize I can't remember about 1/2 of season 1. maybe I should revisit it.

akm, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 22:51 (one year ago) link

A couple episodes behind atm but in case y'all were wondering, it seems the true detective is me because from the second they showed the cop pulling the backpack out of the goddamn enormous hole left in the floor by a goddamn landmine explosion I asked 'why tf isn't that thing at least a little singed around the edges?'. Which I believe puts me about a decade ahead of the investigators on the actual case.

St. Boniface, patron saint of boner faces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 February 2019 16:49 (one year ago) link

always gotta be the smartest guy in the room dontcha

j., Friday, 22 February 2019 16:57 (one year ago) link

Somebody's gotta be, goddamnit! (throws case file across the room, stalks out to punch the dash of his squad car between pulls on a flask of cheap whiskey)

St. Boniface, patron saint of boner faces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:13 (one year ago) link

[]iirc the question was whether there was a homoerotic subcontext between Tom and West in season 3

I mean, maybe something jumps out later that makes it a definitive no, but given what we've seen you could definitely interpret that

it reads more like empathy from a long-term alcoholic for a closeted gay man who has drinking problems. but hey, ambiguous subtext

― mh, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 1:16 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink[]

Woke up this morning thinking about the ep I watched last night (still one behind) and I'm now about 93% sure West is gay. His particular affection for Tom, the comments he's made about Hays's allusions to prison rape, the thing about never having been married even though we saw a scene which seemed to suggest otherwise (church lady was a friend/beard, perhaps helping him to pray the gay away). And I'm guessing this revelation is what led to the partners falling out. Probably should ask Pizzolatto and see how pissed off he gets.

Choose Your Own Disaster (Old Lunch), Saturday, 23 February 2019 14:34 (one year ago) link

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/true-detective-roland-gay-tom-theory-daniel-sackheim

the article I was alluding to

mh, Saturday, 23 February 2019 16:12 (one year ago) link

Why tf is Pizzaman actively debunking theories about his show as it airs, does he not know how TV works? That really bugs me a lot for some reason. Like an author standing over your shoulder as you read and ponder the meaning of his words.

Choose Your Own Disaster (Old Lunch), Saturday, 23 February 2019 16:51 (one year ago) link

death of the author can’t come soon enough sometimes

mh, Saturday, 23 February 2019 21:07 (one year ago) link

SPOILERS!
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That was... quite good for a season finale, I thought. Definitely better than the Season 1 ending. It was a bit disappointing that the solution to the mystery was exactly what you'd expect it be, based on the hints last week, but the mystery was never the biggest thing here, so it's okay. Some of it felt overwrought and over-explainy, like those soap-operaish flashback scenes showing exactly what happened to Julie, or Amelia's ghost tying the loose ends for Wayne (and for the viewer I guess, but at that point it was already pretty obvious what had happened even without all the exposition), but I did like her explanation that "sometimes the story goes long enough that you become unbroken". And the way Wayne's memory issues tied to the final closure/non-closure was a nice touch. So yeah, good season, decent ending, nothing mind-blowing but I wouldn't mind seeing more of this, if the quality stays up.

There were a couple of weird dramatic choices, though. Like, what was the point of having some creepy/suspenseful music play when Wayne drives to see whether Julie's still out there? We know Hoyt and her daughter are dead, and Junius Watts proved to be harmless, so was there really anyone threatening them anymore? Also, I'm sure someone smarter me can explain the meaning of the very last scene of Wayne in the jungle... The scene before was played like it would fade to the end titles, so I didn't really get what purpose that one extra bit served?

Tuomas, Monday, 25 February 2019 17:57 (one year ago) link

RESPOSE TO SPOILERS!
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I liked the ending too, but kinda wish the final reveal had been built up more – more earned, instead of it fed to Hays in that weird dream/hallucination (it was sort of hinted at with "does this feel over?" remark). the grounds keeper over-explaining his family history with maintaining properties was a little eye roll-y with what went down in the first season. and maybe i'm thick, but i didn't see the happy(ish) ending coming.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 February 2019 19:53 (one year ago) link

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so - the very very, last scene ending. i think a parallel was being drawn between Hays walking off into the jungle and walking off into his future with Amelia. smarter me might know what those parallels are... both probably terrify him.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 February 2019 20:17 (one year ago) link

That last shot was sort of mystifying. Initially, it felt pretty dark, but current feeling is that it's more compassionate: it represents the way trauma works...it will stay with him, it was *always* there, and that this doesn't make moving forward into the future possible. Or something. There's something important about how his "forgetting" Julie allows his own daughter to return into the picture.

Enjoyed this season (maybe the first half of it a bit more than the second), and hoping there's more.

ryan, Monday, 25 February 2019 21:21 (one year ago) link

Guys he’s in a *metaphorical* jungle, y’see?

29 facepalms, Monday, 25 February 2019 21:41 (one year ago) link

ya, i think a 4th season is in the works.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 February 2019 22:31 (one year ago) link

that shot in the car where they were different ages and shit was truly horrible. so fuckin corny.

dorff was definitely the true detective in this one, ali spent the whole time acting real hard and those endless conversations with the wife were brutal. stoked for the stephen dorff renaissance

adam, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:16 (one year ago) link

I really liked Dorff in this!

mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:43 (one year ago) link

I liked the dynamic between the two leads but this was a slog, overall, compared to the precious two seasons. Too much relationship/feelings bla bla and not enough creepy Murrica pulpy stuff.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:55 (one year ago) link

*previous not "precious"

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:55 (one year ago) link

Carmen Ejogo is probably great, but her american accent got to me in this.

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 17:30 (one year ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/7Jbpy6H.jpg

lol

Number None, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 21:51 (one year ago) link

we are the true detectives!

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:04 (one year ago) link

wayne and becca had differing opinions about which song should be removed from sgt pepper's to make the album better. amelia was always a ghost. hoping they're deleted scenes on the DVD. but that's the answer.

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:09 (one year ago) link

someone could make fake pizzolatto comments and it’d be the same

mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:13 (one year ago) link


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