Abolish the BBC Y/N

The US has no BBC and it's worked wonders for them.

Do you think it would an improvement on Fox if they had though?

Not in terms of sick entertainment, it wouldn't.

only one broadcaster brought us nearly a decade of noel's house party and i'll give you a clue it wasn't the one owned by rupert murdoch

I knew mr blobby would indirectly show up at some point on this thread!

surprised it took as long as it did tbh

It is mostly garbage these days, the current affairs/news side is a disgrace - just in terms of quality of output, without mentioning toadying to the Tories and right wing scumbags in general - I never listen to the radio since Humphrey Lyttleton died.

t/s: paying the bbc £150.50 per year for mostly garbage but with some gems vs paying rupert murdoch at absolute minimum £264 for utter garbage

Sky News is miles better than BBC 24 fwiw.

http://i.imgur.com/6rLHI.gif

fun fact from the v entertaining noel's house party wikipedia: the format was sold to belgium, germany, denmark, spain and the netherlands, each of whom produced their own version

any european ilxors care to weigh in with their recollections of those shows, and whether they justified the bbc licence fee?

More importantly, was there a Herr Blobbisch?

Originality. Quality. Excellence.
Noel's. House. Party.

This whole Panorama ‘leaked audio’ thing.. something major? Seems like pretty thin gruel so far. This R0b1nson tosser attempting to cover his tracks and distract people from what was obviously going to be a big expose. Wonder if the programme will still go ahead as scheduled.

xp Never seen a Dutch version of Blobby, can't find any on youtube, and going off by who they say did a Dutch remake, I'm glad I never had to witness that.

booooo

Can we get Frederik B. in here to clue us in on the Danish version?

paging stan m for the rundown on belgian blobby

Found the Danish one through a Danish blobby fan page! (no joke). It's @ 1.10 in this video:

http://tvtid.tv2.dk/2013-09-25-hvilket-program-er-tv-2s-mindst-savnede

a Danish blobby fan page!

truly the internet is a blessing and a curse

this is extraordinary footage tbh, it's incredible in every sense of the word to see blobby on the international stage

Some pedigrees are more recognisable than others. Just from the goats running round the studio, you can tell that Germany's Hamster TV is a Teutonic Pets Win Prizes. And Mr Blobby's presence betrays the origins of Denmark's Greven pa Hittegodset. But you'd need Belgian assistance to work out that Raar Maar Waar, a lively looking show performed in a plaster replica of a classical ruin, was the spawn of That's Life.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/game-on-the-broader-picture-1252893.html

Beth Rigby & Faisal Islam on sky politics are far better than the muck the BBC churns out.

my drug of choice is @BethRigby interrupting Boris Johnson to read him Donald Tusk’s statement & then telling him to his face that he is deluded pic.twitter.com/ZUOiyF8jwr

— Hannah Jane Parkinson (@ladyhaja) January 29, 2019

Sky News is so superior to the BBC its scary. They do allow wankers from spiked on to review the papers though. But still not as infuriating as the amount of absolute cunts the BBC allow on Question Time though. Last week was a joke yet again.

I'd happily just get rid of the BBC news output and concentrate on making good telly.

State broadcasters are a bad idea imo, its become far too infected and rotten to be reformed and I want to see the back of it forever.

― calzino

commercial broadcasters are a worse idea

why not just abolish all media except for ilx?

The BBC gets as many accusations of left wing bias as it does of right wing bias - the people smashing up that socialist bookshop last year were carrying anti BBC signs. I wonder why this is. Maybe it's an anti establishment thing. Or maybe it's confirmation bias. You can see them trying to be impartial but this does lead to equal time for right wing zealots. Also it's a large place so parts of it can be right wing whilst other parts (all the comedy) are left wing.

(And it's not strictly a state broadcaster, the government wouldn't be trying to ruin it by removing funding if it was. It runs under a royal charter rather than a government one. Depends what you mean by state, I guess)

Personally annoying is the focus on 18-35 year old demographic which is turning all the music stations into pop stations. And moving Radcliffe and Maconie to weekends means I have nothing to listen to at work (and the new show is pop-heavy, see above)

Also: Sounds.

(I am not in the 18-35 demographic. And even if I was I like to think I had better taste)

Try the new download/app

neil s otm, i feel like most of britisher music-ilx wouldn't be here if it wisnae for the interest in music that bbc radio sparked and/or nurtured

this is surely insane/sign of a generational divide. idk anyone who got into music through radio, bbc or otherwise

The BBC being accused of being left-wing isn't proof that the truth lies somewhere in the middle, it's just because they occasionally cover social justice issues, usually in a twitter-chasing completely superficial manner, then cover economics/brexit/our-fucking-sham-of-a-democracy from an almost universally pro-parasite perspective. For little-Englander types the former is PC gone mad, the latter is completely unnoticed.

congrats, u are young xp

the kind of people that label the bbc "lefty" are usually quite deranged and not worth taking seriously.

mb just abolish the bbc's news coverage

i'm not young, you're just v old &/or wrong

well colour me insane, Peel/Mark & Lard/Rock Show/1 in the Jungle/Essential Mix, Westwood etc. etc. were all ways into all sorts of new stuff when I was a teenager

I suppose growing up with the internet is the decisive factor re: millenial/gen x divide

oh no doubt, and I'm probably right on the cusp of that divide, I was 13 when the web was first made generally available

getting groomed by paedos on the internet vs watching/listening to their shows on the bbc

I once realised I was being groomed by a 30something canadian in a yahoo chat room when I was 13, he kept calling me "my favorite brit" and every time I hear "brit" now it reminds me of desperate, horny paedophilia

i'm 38, i've been on the internet since 1995 when it would take three days to download a music file if you were lucky enough to find one

so like neil s i spent my formative years poring over the music press and hoping to catch some of the music i read about on the radio, and in between hearing those songs i was exposed to all kinds of other stuff

i dunno if that makes me v old but it doesn't make me wrong, i dunno why you're being so aggro about this ogmor

Feel like non-current affairs BBC programming has improved over the last few years, like the rise of Netflix has altered the way in which they do drama in particular. And the best of BBC drama is better than most of the badly-scripted-slickly-produced shit you get on Netflix in any case.

BBC current affairs is getting worse and worse - one reason for this is that it gets virtually no support from the government, who would happily abolish or privatise it if they thought they could get away with doing so. As a result they're terrified of the Tory party and the Tory press in a way they weren't pre-2010. You see it everywhere, the ventriloquism of anti-immigration rhetoric their journalists clearly don't believe in, the false balance that leads to Farage or some other overprivileged Spectator/think tank gobshite on every panel instead of non-political experts who might know what they're talking about etc etc.

The good thing about this is that you don't need to abolish the BBC to improve it - it'll improve if we just change the government. On balance I prefer a BBC that's holding the government properly to account, whoever it is - at the moment there's too much credulity about the way they report every government announcement. For the last few years of New Labour, post David Kelly at least, they were virtually at war with the government even as they were being caricatured as the Blair Broadcasting Corporation.

I'm older than that and I haven't listened to the radio voluntarily in about 20 years, once I had an internet connection and Audiogalaxy that was it, I could listen to pretty much whatever I wanted when I wanted and not have to listen to some wanker in between songs

xp

none of that contradicts what i said, though - when i started seriously listening to music i was 14 or so, and filesharing wasn't an option for me until the late 90s/early 2000s, so there were five years or so where listening to the radio was the only option i had to find new music without blind-buying records i'd read about which sounded interesting but hadn't yet heard (which i still did anyway)

neil s otm, i feel like most of britisher music-ilx wouldn't be here if it wisnae for the interest in music that bbc radio sparked and/or nurtured

this is surely insane/sign of a generational divide. idk anyone who got into music through radio, bbc or otherwise

― ogmor, Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:26 AM (thirty-three minutes ago)

It's very unlikely that most pre-millennial British rock music would have evolved in the way it did without the contribution of BBC radio, and people like Peel and Annie Nightingale in particular.

Radio 3, which usually gets left out of these discussions, continues to provide a vital opportunity for emerging British composers to get their music performed and heard, not least because it employs several orchestras and isn't purely driven by market considerations.

Impossible to imagine the development of British dance music, particularly jungle/garage/dubstep/grime, without the ecosystem provided by pirate radio. 1xtra, despite passing on a lot of this stuff early on, has helped it to develop and for a lot of the artists concerned to become legitimate pop stars at the same time.

Obviously Spotify, Youtube etc have more relevance *now* and are the main gateway drug but the idea that radio hasn't contributed massively to British music and British music fandom is ahistorical guff.

matt dc otm

since 2010 there have been a number of key BBC appointments straight from the tory party machinery and/or machinery-sympathetic adjuncts no ? sarah sands, that britain first QT lady, rob burl or whatever his name is, nick robinson etc

xps
the difference in quality between Radio 3 and Classic FM is a good argument for the bbc tbf.

BBC drama only ever produces a handful of decent things per year imo but they have a huge advantage over Netflix in seeming to start with an assumption that you can tell a story in three or four parts, rather than dragging it out to nine hours by default.

A system where Labour is held to account in government but the Tories are untouchable, through fear or favour, is unsustainable. The news element suffers from slack editorial standards and a relentless push to simplify stories for an audience apparently assumed to be incapable of dealing with nuance, the opinion / commentary element is plagued by aggressive faux-Paxman snark that is mostly water off a duck’s back to the right but more damaging when Labour tries to engage it in better faith. Abolishing it isn’t the answer - privately funded news is at least as bad - but cultural reform is essential. Idk how it can be done, though.

Radio 3 is great, though, as is some of the Radio 4 drama stuff.

I don't think the 9 hrs thing is BBC Vs Netflix, I think it's a UK Vs US thing.

Yes, thats probably true.

Basically, allowing the BBC to go to the wall because of the way its news team covers the Tories would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater and yet another example of willful Tory vandalism to go with the thousands we already have. Even if it's by proxy this time.

while I'm happy to be subsidising simpering CCHQ fanfic, maybe next time they ought to not make such a fuss when someone says the Klan man is possibly a bit racist.

So did they do good last night? Fiona Bruce also seemed ok? Wonder if there was more care or scrutiny with the QT special last night

corbyn’s manifesto has radicalised them

QT was good last night entirely because it wasn't at all like QT, we will be back to the usual rigmarole next week.

Facebook Tories moaning like fuck about it, looking forward to being told in the pub

Just watched it (skipped Sturgeon). Thought Fiona Bruce did a great job and I felt like everyone was properly held to account with an interesting range of policy questions.

(Lol at that fucking Morales melt tho')

Think there will be a lot of complaints sent in to the been about it from Tories. Don't know what a Lib Dem will do beyond hide under the sofa

they have been spoilt by years of a version of laughable public scrutiny in bbc studios that usually involves a back massage and a pre-broadcast agreement on what questions will be asked. They don't like it up 'em!

Emma Barnett is going to chair a 'young people's Question Time' on 9 December

bbc do have a tradition of letting blond haired lunatics loose on young people tbf

Just watched it (skipped Sturgeon)

Worth watching Sturgeon to see someone actually tell Fiona Bruce she's misinterpreting. It's a very good demonstration of what it looks like when a party leader believes what they're saying rather than parroting rehearsed lines and panicking when challenged or asked to deviate.

Anyway, we seen this doing the rounds on Twitter?

https://t.co/PjhAQsWLoH

new polls looking v good for tories and v bad for Labour in scotland and resolutely unshifting for the Labour-Tory gap. i don’t know where you all find your optimism from.

there was at least some poll variance in 2017 but this seems resolutely unfavourable across the board including that MRP tracking done by Datapraxis. (i know it’s still only as good as the data that goes in but still).

wrong thread.

Wrong electorate

Will try and watch Sturgeon later.

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2019/nov/24/jack-whitehall-review-o2-arena-london

this guy sounds absolutely hellish from this review.

" he has always come across as the Conservative party in standup form"

I don't know how much they pay this cunt but he sounds bad. A search shows he is all over the bbc and according to them is: "one of Britain's favourite comedians". He's a posh Tory cunt who does a tv show with his dad .. no wonder the UK is so fucked.

I have been out of the UK for ages and back a couple of years and one thing I can't figure out is Jack Whitehall, is he supposed to be unfunny? Is he doing a parody of a posh guy who isn't funny but gets by on confidence alone? I feel like it isn't a joke, he is just that terrible, but then why is he always on TV, sometimes with people who are actually good? Do some people actually like him? Why?

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, February 25, 2019 12:03 AM (nine months ago) bookmarkflaglink

Bantz, fella. The Archbishop of Bantlebury. Lord Bantlington. Etc.

― Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Monday, February 25, 2019 12:06 AM (nine months ago) bookmarkflaglink

Death to bantz, double death to posh boy bantz.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, February 25, 2019 12:16 AM (nine months ago) bookmarkflaglink

I've never knowingly seen him, but double death to posh boy bantz sounds good to me.

the Brian Logan review of his 02 show is excellent stuff btw!

He was actually good as an irritating clueless poshboy cunt in "Fresh Meat" but that was, er, acting.

BBC making the biggest splash they can with this story, it seemed to take up the first 10 minutes of the 10 o'clock news on R4

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50552068

It's a shameless attack. Same w/ Laura K's "not saying just saying" tru colours, the editing out of the jeering of bojo, etc etc. I was never naive about the bbc, but I can't remember seeing them stan for the tories so much in such a short space of time, with such fervor.

Retroactively - given the last couple of weeks - I would really like to change my vote in this poll to a firm 'N' instead of my initial 'it's bad but 'Y''. Never thought it could be as bad as reported here, but it is. My new vote is:

Abolish the BBC: Y (but find a good home for Catherine Southon).

*I was never naive about the bbc: I didn't watch enough to be convinced to watch less.