What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

ive seen people call her voice 'nerdy' before but haven't seen anyone suggest it's an impediment to anything

A voice is a voice

She just sounds like a young woman to me

A Fox News intern exposes AOC's flaws:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgvfMreXcAAIvkn.jpg

I see now that TWU's post had that line about the right--I was focused on his objection to her voice. So, point taken, I should have read that post closer.

To clarify: I think something like AOC's (or anybody's) voice could matter in getting his or her party's nomination. It's just there, one of the many cosmetic factors that matter, even if you don't think they should. If enough people instinctively resist, you have a problem. But no, in AOC's case, the right's hatred of her is a whole other matter.

She just sounds like a young woman to me

― frogbs, Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:40 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Billy Joel's finest hour

clemenza take your concern trolling over to some Canadian politics thread where you might have a clue what you're talking about

I thought I had killfiled you, going to fix that right now

Shouldn't you be out patrolling the neighborhood for pretend punks? Please, whatever that means, please do so.

Her voice is good. She sounds like a young person from the new york metropolitan area.

hmmm sorry you did not include a spectrographic analysis, try again

folks into voice production don't like undersupport and speaking head voice.

this is 2019's blended haircut moment imo

symmetry demanded it

lol

The idea of people who are not literally communications strategists for the demcoratic party expending any thought ok something like a politician’s voice makes me want to die. Other people, i’m sure, feel similarly, making this a dangerous line of discussion.

we could do with a few like her
― imago, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:34 (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are u at it

? i literally do think that

Jess Phillips not good enough for you?

imagine if Jess Phillips, AOC and Wes Streeting could be blended together but with Hitler's oratory skillz.

Bill Clinton's voice also sucks. I am not a right winger, nor do I think her voice is the sole reason racist scumbags might think she's dumb. It is not her accent I object to -- she talks at the tipity-top of her natural voice in a way that makes me nuts. I could list 47 Hollywood actor dudes who I think talk way too high for my taste. Her voice just drives me nuts, so I prefer read what she says, and it's better for everyone.

Feel like the convo went from

"Btw she could work on her voice, all that speaking, she might damage it without working on it"

to

"Her smoky, non-diaphragmatic alto will make her lose Independent votes and swing the White House to Kodos"

in minutes.

I'd say "telephone game" but it's written down yo.

I appreciate your comprehending defense, N.

Her smoky, non-diaphragmatic alto

gonna borrow this for the next time I write about Meghan Trainor.

Jess Phillips not good enough for you?

― Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously what is this meme that I like Jess Phillips, she is obviously awful

what is the most politically appropriate voice?

I think the thing I appreciate most about AOC right NOW, besides the obvious giving the party a needes kick to the left, is that her troll game is strong enough to make her opponents show their asses in fhe exact way she wants them to. I don't mean internet trolls, who were doing that since BBSes existed...but sitting politicians.

She just needles them in a way that makes them finally unable to toe the line of acceptability and make whatever sexist, racist, ageist insult possible.

Granted, anybody with a brain saw all that shit from the jump, but we need indie votes in 2020, and any time she can force an old white Pub Senator or Rep into a public, electronic unforced error that plays into the party's worst stereotype, I'm all for it.

Bill Clinton's voice also sucks.

lmao

Trump's voice is good, too

A suggestion on the 'AOC's voice' angle: read classicist Mary Beard's *Women & Power*. In one section she talks about going on TV & receiving oceans of violent Twitter threats in reply, which led her to tweet that "the misogyny is truly gobsmacking."

This was reported by one commentator in a mainstream British magazine in these terms: "'the misogyny is truly gobsmacking,' she whined."

Do these words matter? Of course they do, because they underpin an idiom that acts to remove the authority, the force, even the humor from what women have to say. It is an idiom that effectively repositions women back into the domestic sphere (people whine about things like the dishes); it trivializes their words, or it 're-privatizes' them. Contrast the 'deep-voiced' man with all the connotations of profundity the simple word 'deep' brings. It is still the case that when listeners hear a female voice, they do not hear a voice that connotes authority; or rather they have learned not to hear authority in it.

We find repeated stress throughout the ancient literature on the authority of the deep male voice in contrast to the female. Classical writers insisted that the tone and timbre of women's speech always threatened to subvert not just the voice of the male orator but also the social and political stability, the health, of the whole state.

There is another cultural connection revealed by the treatment of women who speak with authority: unpopular, controversial, or just plain different views are taken as indications of her stupidity. It is not that you disagree, it is that she is stupid: 'sorry, love, you just don't understand.' I've lost count of the number of times I've been called 'an ignorant moron.'

If y'all wanna pretend a Trump fan who hates women's voices posted, go nuts. And leave me out.

Three Word Username: What's yr opinion of the Greta Van Fleet dude's voice?

Is this whole tangent because of the thread title?

Bud I'm not calling you a Trump loving woman hater. Read the words again. The point being made is that discounting women for their voices is real and has deep roots in how we think and talk about rhetoric whether a Google News search suggests it's "a thing" or not. I'm trying to buttress your point that dislike that presents as rooted in the voice is a real phenomenon.

xp it's not a tangent, because of the thread title

But maybe that wasn't your point at all and I misunderstood you, fuck this stupid website xp

no way this website is cool

Bud I'm not calling you a Trump loving woman hater. Read the words again. The point being made is that discounting women for their voices is real and has deep roots in how we think and talk about rhetoric whether a Google News search suggests it's "a thing" or not. I'm trying to buttress your point that dislike that presents as rooted in the voice is a real phenomenon.

Neanderthal, a theatre performer, tracked where the reaction to TWU's post hurtled through the guardrail just fine, we could probably drop the whole thing now

although after

Her voice is good. She sounds like a young person from the new york metropolitan area.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, February 11, 2019 4:07 AM

The idea of people who are not literally communications strategists for the demcoratic party expending any thought (on) something like a politician’s voice makes me want to die.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, February 11, 2019 4:14 AM

I actually have had the thought before that someone will complain about her voice because it's not deep enough and I know how that plagues women to be taken seriously. It sucks.

x-post: Ah, no, you do understand my point, Hoos, sorry. Others gave been less generous and I get grumpy in response, shame on me. What I am saying is that I am having a strong visceral negative reaction to her voice (and really, it's her vocal production technique, not her unchangeable voice), but I'm conscious of it and don't dismiss her because of it. Other folks hear the same thing with a different set of prejudices and hear what they want to hear, which is "stupid and young and whiney". It's up to her what she wants to do with her voice entirely; I do think there could be some danger of vocal problems later, and that to me is a real reason to change your style of speaking when you enter a rhetoric job; appeasing misogynists is not a good reason to change.

xp sic, i don't understand why those were quoted. i was saying that 1.) i think her voice is fine, and 2.) regardless, the whole concern-trolling obsession with "optics"--i.e., "it's no problem to me, personally, but i just wonder how xyz will come across to voters in Michconsin"—makes me want to die.

it's so naturalized to "think like a strategist" now

it’s lightly amusing that you expressed an opinion about her voice, and then seven minutes later said that the very concept of (other) people even having an unexpressed opinion about her voice made you want to die

seven minutes is a long time. everyone says seven minute songs are long.

this is a bad thread

fwiw,the thread title is a reference to

what are barack obama's flaws?

i meant it as a compliment (barack obama had a relatively successful political career), not as a serious conversation starter. not everyone's going to understand the callback, but i figured the vast majority of ilxors would since we don't exactly get much new blood around these parts.

km, i know the reference i just think its funny how this is becoming every ilx politics thread.

i think i need sitewide mod privs so i can yellow card people into submission

what are m bison's flaws?

he doesnt have sitewide mod privs

i support that!

i was actually xposting to a few people upthread who hated the title