"what i choose is my voice" - aoc
― ⅋ (crüt), Sunday, 10 February 2019 14:33 (five years ago) link
what about the voice of aoc
how did it get so high
― j., Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:06 (five years ago) link
i know those things end up mattering more than they should but I hadn't noticed anything bad about her voice(!) - thought pacing and delivery was very good in that corruption hearing thing
Have seen some weird "bernie and aoc are the same / bernie and aoc are NOT the same" stuff on twitter, which again seems to come down to this "democratic socialism is compatible with capitalism" / 'democratic socialism is not compatible with capitalism" stuff which is a bit niche interest to me. cba too much with too much labelling and naming just get the ball in the net and score a goal and thats what she is doing
― anvil, Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:09 (five years ago) link
I don't mind AOC's voice, but I agree with three word username that such cosmetic things matter. You may not want them to, and some people get upset if you even broach the subject, but they do, a lot. Women undoubtedly get singled out disproportionately for such complaints (and they're harsher, and more symbolically loaded for a woman), but I could definitely name many men where I couldn't get past the voice. I think of Jon Huntsman immediately--I cringed every time he spoke. Ted Cruz, independent of whatever nonsense he's spouting. Martin O'Malley. Closer to home, Doug Ford.
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:19 (five years ago) link
Bella Abzug and Shirley Chisholm had...unconventional... New York voices, didn't seem to hurt them much.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:36 (five years ago) link
lads
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:43 (five years ago) link
I mean how has Booker not been mentioned
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:45 (five years ago) link
poll
― L'assie (Euler), Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:46 (five years ago) link
Ted Cruz and Doug Ford, noted losers of elections
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:48 (five years ago) link
Perhaps millions of Trump voters have still never heard him speak.
― nashwan, Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:59 (five years ago) link
It doesn't work that way--it's totally subjective, totally irrational. Obviously, lots of people don't mind their voices at all. I'm sure Jon Huntsman sounds like Winston Churchill to some people, just like I'm sure Winston Churchill sounds like Sarah Palin to others. I'm not predicting results here--the point is, if enough people didn't like AOC's voice, that would be a problem for her.
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:06 (five years ago) link
I think the fact that it took like 10k posts about AOC before anyone brought up her voice points to it not being a problem
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:07 (five years ago) link
what the hell is happening itt
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:08 (five years ago) link
It took a weird detour, an ILX first.
Trump voters evidently love Trump's voice. Don't ask me why.
Based on this thread, agree--only one objection raised. How representative the people posting on this thread are of the larger populace, I don't know. Anyway, again, I'm agreeing with the underlying point in TWU's post, that's all.
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:12 (five years ago) link
it not only hasn't been mentioned until now on ILX, I've never once seen it mentioned on Twitter, Reddit (left, lib or right-wing), or in the press. this is Not A Thing.
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:15 (five years ago) link
You don't want it to be, anyway. I assume you want to believe that the Person With the Best Ideas automatically wins elections. If that makes you happy, carry on.
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
(If you're limiting your objection to AOC only, then sure, maybe you're right.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:18 (five years ago) link
jesus fuck
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:19 (five years ago) link
Now jesus fuck, he had a nice voice.
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:20 (five years ago) link
the idea that right-wingers are "unconsciously objecting" to a young woman of color who supports left-wing policy because she has a "head voice" is fucking stupid sorry
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:30 (five years ago) link
Is Three Word Username a right-winger? Because I was specifically making my point within the context of his dislike of AOC's voice.
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link
her only flaws are: american + her voice
― ||||||||, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link
can you fucking read
I genuinely think a lot of "SHE'S DUMB!!!!" stuff coming from the right is an unconscious reaction to her voice.
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link
idk these same people thought Obama was dumb despite the fact that he had pretty much the best voice of any President but it occurs to me there may be another reason for that
― frogbs, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:34 (five years ago) link
is the flaw that she's american the flaw that she's not british? it is a cliche but we could do with a few like her
― imago, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:34 (five years ago) link
No, I can't read Simon. Please move the conversation there.
My initial post came right after TWU's post. Everything I've said was in reference to that. I'm hardly saying that AOC's voice is going to be an obstacle she may have to overcome with Trump voters (and if she can just get past that, they'll embrace her).
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:34 (five years ago) link
ive seen people call her voice 'nerdy' before but haven't seen anyone suggest it's an impediment to anything
― ciderpress, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link
A voice is a voice
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:39 (five years ago) link
She just sounds like a young woman to me
― frogbs, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:40 (five years ago) link
A Fox News intern exposes AOC's flaws:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgvfMreXcAAIvkn.jpg
― tabloid/petromonarchy alliance (Sanpaku), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:40 (five years ago) link
I see now that TWU's post had that line about the right--I was focused on his objection to her voice. So, point taken, I should have read that post closer.
To clarify: I think something like AOC's (or anybody's) voice could matter in getting his or her party's nomination. It's just there, one of the many cosmetic factors that matter, even if you don't think they should. If enough people instinctively resist, you have a problem. But no, in AOC's case, the right's hatred of her is a whole other matter.
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:42 (five years ago) link
― frogbs, Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:40 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Billy Joel's finest hour
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
clemenza take your concern trolling over to some Canadian politics thread where you might have a clue what you're talking about
― sleeve, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:56 (five years ago) link
I thought I had killfiled you, going to fix that right now
― sleeve, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:57 (five years ago) link
Shouldn't you be out patrolling the neighborhood for pretend punks? Please, whatever that means, please do so.
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:00 (five years ago) link
Her voice is good. She sounds like a young person from the new york metropolitan area.
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link
hmmm sorry you did not include a spectrographic analysis, try again
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:08 (five years ago) link
folks into voice production don't like undersupport and speaking head voice.
this is 2019's blended haircut moment imo
― imago, Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
symmetry demanded it
― brownie, Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:13 (five years ago) link
lol
― gray say nah to me (wins), Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:13 (five years ago) link
The idea of people who are not literally communications strategists for the demcoratic party expending any thought ok something like a politician’s voice makes me want to die. Other people, i’m sure, feel similarly, making this a dangerous line of discussion.
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
we could do with a few like her― imago, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:34 (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
are u at it
― ||||||||, Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:18 (five years ago) link
? i literally do think that
― imago, Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:19 (five years ago) link
Jess Phillips not good enough for you?
― Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
imagine if Jess Phillips, AOC and Wes Streeting could be blended together but with Hitler's oratory skillz.
― calzino, Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link
Bill Clinton's voice also sucks. I am not a right winger, nor do I think her voice is the sole reason racist scumbags might think she's dumb. It is not her accent I object to -- she talks at the tipity-top of her natural voice in a way that makes me nuts. I could list 47 Hollywood actor dudes who I think talk way too high for my taste. Her voice just drives me nuts, so I prefer read what she says, and it's better for everyone.
― Three Word Username, Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:21 (five years ago) link
Feel like the convo went from
"Btw she could work on her voice, all that speaking, she might damage it without working on it"
to
"Her smoky, non-diaphragmatic alto will make her lose Independent votes and swing the White House to Kodos"
in minutes.
I'd say "telephone game" but it's written down yo.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link
I appreciate your comprehending defense, N.
― Three Word Username, Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:25 (five years ago) link
Her smoky, non-diaphragmatic alto
gonna borrow this for the next time I write about Meghan Trainor.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:26 (five years ago) link
― Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seriously what is this meme that I like Jess Phillips, she is obviously awful
― imago, Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:27 (five years ago) link