Nothin but net
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 8 February 2019 04:34 (five years ago) link
another 'trying to make her look bad but making her even cooler' moment
the things about her history in this tweet, while indeed not disqualifying her in any way, are lies
― The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Friday, 8 February 2019 06:19 (five years ago) link
the video of her explaining political corruption posted slightly upthread is brilliant, all over the internet, and speaks to a very novel talent for social media communication that is well beyond her old-guard competition.
― plax (ico), Friday, 8 February 2019 09:07 (five years ago) link
the right don't seem to know what to do without a woman to froth at the mouth over; the refreshing thing about aoc is that she makes them look like the mouth-frothing lunatics they are
we'll see how she holds up to thirty fucking years of this shit
― the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Friday, 8 February 2019 09:07 (five years ago) link
there is a very particular, and desirable talent that very few people have for saying very complicated things very simply without simplifying them. That video is almost like "ways of seeing" for ethics and oversight in contemporary governance. This talent for plainspokennes seems particularly crucial in the age of trump, where simple formulations are seen to be incredibly winning in capturing public imagination. MAGA, take back control. what distinguishes AOC is that her formulations aren't just meaningless iterations of primal nativist chest-beating.
― plax (ico), Friday, 8 February 2019 09:13 (five years ago) link
Mozart is in the bad place. ijs
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 8 February 2019 09:41 (five years ago) link
tbh "fighting global warming" in any sense would really mean a profound transformation in human civilization -- no more transcontinental flights, most people not permitted to drive cars, an acceptance that constant economic "growth" is no longer desirable -- that almost noone is prepared to accept. nor are there really any mechanics to effect it. so we're doomed imo.― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 8 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 8 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This politician is good but we're fucked anyway is a good attitude I guess.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 8 February 2019 12:28 (five years ago) link
some of my antipathy towards Green parties stems from a feeling that we are fucked anyway, and some of their gestural politics might see them throw disableds under a bus to save knotty-faced sea squirrels or whatever.
― calzino, Friday, 8 February 2019 12:37 (five years ago) link
shall we see the (UK) Green party policy towards the disabled
― imago, Friday, 8 February 2019 12:42 (five years ago) link
https://policy.greenparty.org.uk/dy.html
have a read
― imago, Friday, 8 February 2019 12:43 (five years ago) link
I am just generalising about Green ideology and how I feel where it might end up, not saying it is a perfect pov. But lots of people are having as rough an existence as the planet is rn.
― calzino, Friday, 8 February 2019 12:45 (five years ago) link
one thing I do usually notice is that (and this doesn't always hold true) people who care about the planet also care about the well-being of the unprivileged, and vice versa
― imago, Friday, 8 February 2019 12:47 (five years ago) link
I wish someone would explain to some of these lovely people that many disabled ppl need single-use plastic straws, for starters.
― calzino, Friday, 8 February 2019 12:55 (five years ago) link
Green politics seems like the ultimate utopian "socialism in one country" thing where unless the whole planet is unequivocally committed to it, it's localised pressure groups - pissing into the wind. I mean even if the whole planet was committed to the cause, how many centuries could we delay The Great Dying 2.0 by?
― calzino, Friday, 8 February 2019 13:09 (five years ago) link
I am not so green that I don't use still disposable plastic straws on occasion although I've picked up a nifty pack of stainless steel ones for home use. I have gone through a TON in my life. More than most people I think, as there was a period when I used them as a jaunty affectation. What is your particular use for them, calzino?
― peace, man, Friday, 8 February 2019 13:10 (five years ago) link
I don't use them, I'm not disabled - just know ppl who are and say they can't use metal ones.
― calzino, Friday, 8 February 2019 13:13 (five years ago) link
I mean even if the whole planet was committed to the cause, how many centuries could we delay The Great Dying 2.0 by?
I really, really get this feeling, but it's essentially the path to giving up all together no? Ie lol we're all gonna die. I'd dread a world where the centrists or the godforaken libdems are the most 'left'/utopian politicians around, but it seems you've abandoned hope on the place of idealism in politics?
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 8 February 2019 13:14 (five years ago) link
in theory i like the paper ones but in practice they turn to mush in about 30 seconds
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 8 February 2019 13:14 (five years ago) link
"I don't use them, I'm not disabled - just know ppl who are and say they can't use metal ones."
why?
I had friends virtue signaling all over the damn facebook when banning these in SF was being discussed; they'd never once seemed to care about the disabled prior (I mean personally I'm sure they did but they really wanted to make a show of "what about the disableds!") but none of the arguments were very cogent. There are paper straws. You can use them. Sure they taste a bit gunky but many places have used them for years and you do get used to them.
― akm, Friday, 8 February 2019 14:33 (five years ago) link
shut the fuck up dickhead, I'm not even wasting my time on you.
― calzino, Friday, 8 February 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link
That escalated quickly
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Friday, 8 February 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link
sorry a bit rude, but when ppl display extreme ignorance + use "virtue signalling" an internal switch goes in me.
― calzino, Friday, 8 February 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link
just curious if you guys have read the GP FAQ bc it's extraordinarily ambitious - it's honestly v hard for me to imagine it being implemented let alone asking for something even more dramatic: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729035/Green-New-Deal-FAQ.pdf
― Mordy, Friday, 8 February 2019 15:12 (five years ago) link
what are AOC's environmental stances, I assume they are good ones
― imago, Friday, 8 February 2019 15:16 (five years ago) link
My hope is that AOC inspires more working-class people to get into politics. If you can lay out your convictions plainly, (assuming they're inclined towards building an actual viable future for living people) and make clear your positions haven't already been bought and sold, no one will care about gaffes.
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Friday, 8 February 2019 15:18 (five years ago) link
Anyone who’s able to ride the bus; the State.
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Friday, February 8, 2019 3:36 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol ilu
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 8 February 2019 15:28 (five years ago) link
apparently that FAQ might be fake - sorry if so!
― Mordy, Friday, 8 February 2019 15:46 (five years ago) link
quoting Alan Moore
― gray say nah to me (wins), Friday, 8 February 2019 16:54 (five years ago) link
in theory i like the paper ones but in practice they turn to mush in about 30 seconds― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, February 8, 2019 1:14 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
personally I just avoid beverages. simplifies things.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 8 February 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link
sorry to bring this back to an AOC thread, but plastic straws are the most versatile and least problematic of straws for some disabled people to use for liquids including life giving sustenance and medication, not just beverages. I bet AOC would agree with me tbf.
― calzino, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:11 (five years ago) link
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, February 8, 2019 7:28 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
thanks!
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Friday, 8 February 2019 17:13 (five years ago) link
lmao conservatives really think the "Green New Deal" involves drinking piss
https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51735329_568773206866772_6398036816041082880_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=ff4b28fc1bd7c05d0ebd0e0c11f4feb6&oe=5CEEFD5B
― frogbs, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
what are AOC's environmental stances, I assume they are good BAD ones
― Hunt3r, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link
I thought conservatives liked drinking piss
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Friday, 8 February 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=ff4b28fc1bd7c05d0ebd0e0c11f4feb6&oe=5CEEFD5B
― The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Friday, 8 February 2019 17:45 (five years ago) link
Since 1992, Costner has financially supported a variety of Democratic politicians, including Al Gore and Tom Daschle, but also made contributions to Republican Phil Gramm as late as 1995. He said publicly in 2008 that he has no ambition to run for political office, adding "I've lived quite a colorful life".
― Karl Malone, Friday, 8 February 2019 17:45 (five years ago) link
lol:
look at these morons trying to gorilla channel @aoc's green new deal pic.twitter.com/vCjzQcM6mt— cristina lópez g. (@crislopezg) February 8, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 8 February 2019 18:17 (five years ago) link
conservatives are so broke brained that they are literally believing it though
I posted something like this as a response and all I got was "is that supposed to be a joke?"
― frogbs, Friday, 8 February 2019 18:19 (five years ago) link
J---- J-- I seriously hope this is fake. Because, yuck.
J---- J-- Nobody is peeing in my coffee.
N-- R--- well we know the President loves piss so we could possibly have a bipartisan deal here!
J---- J-- Is that supposed to be funny?
― frogbs, Friday, 8 February 2019 18:26 (five years ago) link
that is literally what we will all have to do if we keep destroying the planet, nice detective work republicans
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:27 (five years ago) link
not a joke. not even slightly. that is a deliberately and carefully fabricated lie, designed to look as convincing as possible by making it appear "in print" with an easily deciphered "code" that will attach it to AOC. the fact that it has no basis at all in reality is irrelevant. this lie will circulate and create its own reality. and harm. much as we'd love to laugh off this shit, it is very real shit and it will stick to the GND as it hits the word-of-mouth stage among it target audience. just like black helicopters and similarly far-fetched nonsense that have stuck.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link
enh I'm not at all convinced it'll stick
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link
Pee-to-potable tech has been around for a long ass time and it’s a good idea that shd be in GND
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:32 (five years ago) link
otoh, peeing into a jug and letting it sit in the sun for six hours before using it brew tea is not a good idea and has no connection to GND
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:34 (five years ago) link
I'm not at all convinced it'll stick
contrails stuck. Vince Foster stuck. it doesn't have to go mainstream to gather belief among susceptible people and those believers will share it as widely as possible because it is designed to provoke that kind of "would you believe it? those GNDealers want us to piss in a jug and drink it!" rumor-mongering activity. it's too good not to spread once you've swallowed the bait.
there's an old saying that a rumor flies around in the world in the time it takes for truth to get out bed.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:45 (five years ago) link
I don't care about conspiracy nuts and no one else should either, to the extent that they're influential it's very much on the outskirts of culture. birtherism was just as prominent, if not moreso, than any of those and it didn't prevent anything,
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:48 (five years ago) link
eh the thing about contrails or the Vince Foster thing (or Seth Rich, or Uranium One, etc etc) is that there's no way to prove it one way or the other, especially when it involves Things They Don't Want You To Know, this on the other hand is pretty easy to verify as false
― frogbs, Friday, 8 February 2019 18:57 (five years ago) link
I don't care about conspiracy nuts and no one else should either
It's basic FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt), and it's all part of the dirty tricks arsenal, by sowing confusion and misinformation. The very fact that you heard it from someone you know, even if you had doubts about it, means something in the low-information environment that tens of millions of rural and urban poor voters live in. The last election hinged on less than 100,000 strategically located votes.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:57 (five years ago) link
piss on these people
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:58 (five years ago) link
you realize that they don't like to be pissed on? it only feeds their resentment of 'urban elites' and makes them gleefully embrace con-man shitheads like Trump in order to prompt your libtears?
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 8 February 2019 19:01 (five years ago) link