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there's been a pitch clock in the minors for years and it is almost never a factor. once pitchers get used to it and the idea that they don't have endless time to fuck around, no one will notice it. penalty is a called ball

i don't think the guy-on-second-in-extras thing will ever actually happen in the majors, but if it did, that would be bad imo

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link

To be clear I only object to having to stare at a countdown clock.

Yeah the runner on 2nd thing is awful. But so is three-batter minimum! I mean there's already a cost that comes with carrying a LOOGY— it means more work for the rest of your bullpen. It's one of the things that makes bullpen management interesting.

Ugh, I wish they'd just leave the game alone.

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 7 February 2019 22:32 (five years ago) link

I don't think that overmanaging your bullpen LaRussa-style feels like an abuse of the rules or anything, it just makes the game more boring to watch

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 22:36 (five years ago) link

I agree w that but I also don't object to being bored occasionally. God forbid anybody should have to just be alone with their thoughts for a couple minutes. I'm nearly always doing something else when watching a game anyway.

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 7 February 2019 23:04 (five years ago) link

Televised football and basketball games don’t constantly show their countdown clocks, so I really doubt they would show it for baseball.

Xposts

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 23:59 (five years ago) link

I was under the impression, which I totally pulled out of the ether, that the runner to be placed on 2nd was the first batter due up in that inning, so there's no way to guarantee a Billy Hamilton.

ILX Moderator: It's Like a Pressure Wash for Your Insides (WmC), Friday, 8 February 2019 00:15 (five years ago) link

If they are going to change the DH, just go ahead and do it, don't put it up for debate or comment or anything.

earlnash, Friday, 8 February 2019 03:54 (five years ago) link

xp - pinch runner then

frogbs, Friday, 8 February 2019 04:02 (five years ago) link

it's the last batter of the previous inning who gets put on second; not sure if you're allowed to pinch run for him

mookieproof, Friday, 8 February 2019 04:41 (five years ago) link

Only year we ever won baseball at my school in 20 years (the Darren Shred year), the title game involved an extra inning and the start-on-second rule. We scored, they didn't. Can't remember how they determined the baserunner.

clemenza, Friday, 8 February 2019 12:54 (five years ago) link

Televised football and basketball games don’t constantly show their countdown clocks, so I really doubt they would show it for baseball.

they do in football once it gets below :25. in basketball it's always on the screen, but the shot clock essentially drives the pace of the game sometimes so I get why that's necessary. feel like the smart thing to do in baseball is to just display it when it goes under :05

frogbs, Friday, 8 February 2019 14:16 (five years ago) link

Don't display it at all, totally unnecessary. If they go over, you'll know!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 8 February 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link

clem the reds released yr man. he's still only 21, but the injuries may have done him in

mookieproof, Friday, 8 February 2019 18:13 (five years ago) link

https://www.sbnation.com/a/mlb-2017-season-preview/game-length

the article that convinced me a pitching clock is necessary

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:01 (five years ago) link

that's a great article. rip firewalled grant brisbee

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:47 (five years ago) link

a friend writes:

Of all the issues that MLB is allegedly discussing with the Players Association the one with the greatest potential for mischief is…September call-ups.

This seemed to be the favorite topic of complaint among baseball’s talking heads last fall – oh, the impurity of a team with 37 players on its roster competing with a team that has 34 players.

I get the concern about expanded benches and bullpens contributing to The Great Slowdown. But in a $10 billion industry where the union famously could care less about anyone (minor leaguers, stadium workers, striking hotel employees) outside their little guild and the owners are comically greedy, one month of 40-man rosters is the closest thing baseball has to a genuine share-the-wealth program. (Set aside for the moment clubhouse tipping and the teams’ revenue sharing plan).

Under the terms of the current CBA:

After completing 43 game days on a ML roster players become fully vested in the MLBPA’s defined-benefit pension plan and receive a minimum annual payout of $34,000 at retirement. (Annual benefit amounts increase with additional service time.)
With one (1) day of service time players receive comprehensive lifetime health insurance (including dental, vision and Medicare supplemental) for themselves and their immediate family.
(The CBA also includes provisions for long-term disability coverage and employer-funded IRA contributions. Dunno what the service-time requirements are for those benefits.)

It seems likely that getting called up in September is the main pathway for scores (maybe more) of fringe and AAAA ballplayers to accrue service time each year. Of course the rewards for making it past the Service Time Threshold look pretty paltry stacked up against an average major leaguer’s compensation package. But for normal people that is a fantastic level of economic security. In fact, if baseball was still the national pastime, someone could run a great Huey Long/Francis Townsend-type campaign around the notion of “Every American a September Call-Up.”

Maybe Tony Clark & Co. will come up with a savvy proposal to preserve or even enhance this benefits windfall for baseball’s have-nots by trading off a more restrictive September roster rule for reduced (i.e. more generous) service-time requirements. Obviously, ending the big overflowing September rosters in exchange for a full-season 26-man roster would not achieve that goal.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 08:24 (five years ago) link

i would suggest, then, that only 25 players from expanded september rosters be available for each individual game. it wouldn't completely end the parade of relievers (since you could just swap in fresh ones tomorrow) but it might make managers at least consider the possibility of an 18-inning game

mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link

wow I actually remember that Brewer game

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link

MLB ANNOUNCES FORMAT OF PITCH TIMER DURING SPRING TRAINING

Major League Baseball (MLB) today announced the format of a pitch timer that will be used during 2019 Spring Training games. No decision has been made on whether the timer will be used in regular season games.
A 20-second pitch timer will begin in three phases during Spring Training:
1) In the first Spring Training games, the 20-second timer will operate without enforcement so as to make players and umpires familiar with the new system.

2) Early next week, umpires will issue reminders to pitchers and hitters who violate the rule, but no ball-strike penalties will be assessed. Between innings, umpires are expected to inform the club’s field staff (manager, pitching coach or hitting coach) of any violations.

3) Later in Spring Training, and depending on the status of the negotiations with the Major League Baseball Players Association, umpires will be instructed to begin assessing ball-strike penalties for violations.

Like the rule in Minor League Baseball, the rule requires: (i) the batter to be in the batter’s box and alert to the pitcher with at least five seconds remaining on the timer; and (ii) the pitcher to begin his windup or motion to come to a set position before the 20-second timer expires (the pitch itself does not need to be thrown before the expiration of the timer). The timer will never be used on the first pitch of any at-bat and will begin running prior to the second pitch when the pitcher receives the ball from the catcher.

mookieproof, Friday, 22 February 2019 20:03 (five years ago) link

how has it affected base-stealing and pickoffs in the minors? anyone know?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 February 2019 20:09 (five years ago) link

with runners on, the clock stops when the pitcher comes set. you can stay in the set position as long as you want, so the runner(s) can't time it

mookieproof, Friday, 22 February 2019 20:17 (five years ago) link

ahhh

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 February 2019 20:23 (five years ago) link

i guess this could be a thing, but i have not heard any complaints about it in the minors

So the pitch clock almost incentives batters to not stand in until five seconds are remaining. Get your practice hacks in, ice the pitcher, and then make him rush, etc.

— Travis Sawchik (@Travis_Sawchik) February 22, 2019

mookieproof, Friday, 22 February 2019 20:35 (five years ago) link

Another 538 piece. Nate Silver's prescription for too many strikeouts/pitchers and slow pace of play: 10-man staff plus one "emergency" pitcher.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/relievers-have-broken-baseball-we-have-a-plan-to-fix-it/

clemenza, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 01:07 (five years ago) link

mlb announced an agreement with the independent atlantic league in which the latter will serve as a testing ground for various rules and perhaps equipment changes.

no timetable or specific changes have been mentioned yet, but i think at some point we're gonna see them test what happens when you move the mound back a couple feet. (i'm not sure how effective this will be because i doubt there are too many guys with a mid-90s fastball pitching in the atlantic league)

mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link

I was looking to see how far back they are moving it — is it really two feet? That seems extreme.

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 20:16 (five years ago) link

don't know any specifics, but 3% doesn't seem like an outrageous place to start testing

mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 20:20 (five years ago) link

two feet would just seem to radically alter a hitter's read on breaking pitches especially, if it's that much I would expect offensive numbers to go through the roof

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 20:26 (five years ago) link

yeah two feet would be nuts. maybe a couple of inches - I think the issue is that it's not really physically possible to identify and hit a 105 mph fastball, right?

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 20:35 (five years ago) link

fwiw, i watched jordan hicks throw quite a few 103, 104, 105 mph pitches last year, with very few strikeouts. even at 60'6", hitters seemed able to at least make contact.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:36 (five years ago) link

New Atlantic League rules in some detail: http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26190498/robot-umps-shift-ban-coming-atlantic-league

• Extending the distance between the pitching rubber from 60 feet, 6 inches to 62 feet, 6 inches in the second half of the season

^Again this seems so completely OTT! I think I could bunt my way close to with the Mendoza line at that distance

heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 9 March 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link

"we're experimenting with raising the height of the rim to 12 feet"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 9 March 2019 15:46 (five years ago) link

on the one hand moving the mound midseason seems like a jarring change for players
on the other hand it would provide much better data for people evaluating how moving the mound would affect the game, because you'd have two samples with roughly the same players in similar gameshape, rather than two separate sesaons
on the other hand it seems kinda rude to MLB teams with atlantic league teams, because they have to deal with both their pitchers/hitters making changes to their technique/timing

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:52 (five years ago) link

no MLB teams have atlantic league teams, it's an independent league

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:55 (five years ago) link

nice! that leaves me with two hands again

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Saturday, 9 March 2019 20:56 (five years ago) link

whoa, i didn't realize there were all these other new rules in the atlantic league, too (i should have read hadrian's link):

The slate of rule changes to be implemented in the Atlantic League are as follows:

Home plate umpire assisted in calling balls and strikes by a TrackMan radar tracking system.
No mound visits permitted by players or coaches other than for pitching changes or medical issues.
Pitchers must face a minimum of three batters, or reach the end of an inning before they exit the game, unless the pitcher becomes injured.
Increase the size of 1st, 2nd and 3rd base from 15 inches square to 18 inches square.
Require two infielders to be on each side of second base when a pitch is released (if not, the ball is dead and the umpire shall call a ball).
Time between innings and pitching changes reduced from 2:05 to 1:45.
Distance from pitching rubber to home plate extended 24 inches, in the second half of the season only; with no change to mound height or shape.

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Sunday, 10 March 2019 22:33 (five years ago) link

Time between innings and pitching changes reduced from 2:05 to 1:45.

heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 10 March 2019 23:25 (five years ago) link

^ this would be great but seems highly unlikely

heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 10 March 2019 23:25 (five years ago) link

Wouldn't moving the mound back shorten leads and discourage base stealing? Pick-off attempts will come at a shallower angle, seems like that would cut down on runners going first-to-third, taking an extra base, etc.

I just can't believe they are even considering monkeying with the geometry of the game like this! I mean just lower the mound again if you want more contact/action.

heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 10 March 2019 23:35 (five years ago) link

Lots of @mlb rule changes for 2019 and 2020: pic.twitter.com/Bn89KReec0

— Bryan Hoch (@BryanHoch) March 14, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 14 March 2019 15:13 (five years ago) link

ok pitching to a minimum of three hitters or until the end of a half inning makes this more palatable

heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 14 March 2019 15:20 (five years ago) link

Only five mound visits now instead of six--they're getting serious about speeding things up.

clemenza, Thursday, 14 March 2019 15:22 (five years ago) link

"Position players will be prohibited from pitching in games that don’t go into extra innings, unless a team is ahead or behind by at least eight runs." - i mean, fine, but i don't really get why this has to be a rule

na (NA), Thursday, 14 March 2019 15:25 (five years ago) link

I think it has something to do w/ preventing teams from manipulating the new pitcher/position player designations?

heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 14 March 2019 15:30 (five years ago) link

Elimination of 40 player roster, too!

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link

Interesting changes! I'm really excited to see how the relief pitcher / opener rules pan out (in 2020).

No more waiver trades too! The trade deadline just got even more exciting.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:40 (five years ago) link

The fact that the 40-man Sept. roster expansion doesn't reduce to 28 until 2020 increases Tim Tebow's chances of being a big leaguer.

— JJ Cooper (@jjcoop36) March 14, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 14 March 2019 21:06 (five years ago) link

I call this "overmanaging"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 March 2019 21:54 (five years ago) link

playing Seymour Skinner re position players pitching particularly

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 March 2019 22:21 (five years ago) link


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