What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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I like her a lot and think she has a bright future, including a possible path to the presidency if she chooses to pursue it (which is a bit difficult to do from the House, historically). There is, of course, still plenty of time for her to flame out or not deliver on big legislative priorities, but so far she's been very sure-footed and she has excellent priorities and communications skills.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (seven months ago) link

her main flaw appears to be her mortality and lack of imperviousness to bullets fired by white nationalists

imago, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:11 (seven months ago) link

xp - he was like 3rd in line for Speaker, right?

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:12 (seven months ago) link

xp

Uhhhh.....

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:13 (seven months ago) link

main reason for this thread is that she is an excellent twitterer, so maybe her daily handful of zings can go here instead of the other threads.


this is an argument against a fourth thread

The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:14 (seven months ago) link

xps iirc the last recent notable political assassination was in the UK, let's not throw stones shall we?

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:14 (seven months ago) link

Steve Scalise and Gabby Giffords, tho

It really isn't funny to joke about at all

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:18 (seven months ago) link

otm

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:18 (seven months ago) link

steve scalise jokes are funny cause he survived and he's fucking asshole. Speculating about political assassinations that haven't happened is not particularly funny imho

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:21 (seven months ago) link

"I hope she doesn't get assassinated" has an uncomfortable undertone of concern trolling

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:23 (seven months ago) link

I'm still amazed no one managed to take a pop at Obama over 8 years

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:27 (seven months ago) link

I'm just voicing everyone's fear. I really, really hope she is able to fulfil her apparent destiny

imago, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:28 (seven months ago) link

I hate even speculating about it, but other than just the level of security presidents now have, I chalk it up to there probably being about an equally small number of people with sufficient motive and means to assassinate any president, like it's just always a small pool of people, racist or not.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:29 (seven months ago) link

i'm amazed any of us are alive tbh

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:33 (seven months ago) link

Take heart in the fact that political assassinations/assassination attempts are frequently the work of apolitical nutballs trying (for wholly-fabricated example) to drum up attention for their hand modeling career by taking a crack at a Missouri state senator who they mistook for Count Chocula. Very rarely is there any reasoned intention behind the act.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:38 (seven months ago) link

she really is an icon already

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DywzDuTUYAAopLa.jpg:large

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:38 (seven months ago) link

I wonder how long before the right tries to paint her as Eva Peron? You just know they are waiting to exploit even the tiniest cracks they can drive a wedge into. Some cracks they can exploit are bound to show up, especially as the left begins to pile more and more hopes on her and place greater demands for taking leadership on her shoulders. I hope she can assemble a very strong and astute group of staff and informal advisors to take some of that load. She's young, smart and strong, but she's human, too.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:46 (seven months ago) link

she has a staff and she doesn't need to spend time on fundraising calls. she has more time than any of them to strategize

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:47 (seven months ago) link

first there would have to be americans who knew who eva peron was besides a madonna role

Mordy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:48 (seven months ago) link

the right going all-out on her might backfire when there's suddenly a dozen more AOC-like candidates in 2022

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:48 (seven months ago) link

stfu lj

alomar lines, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:49 (seven months ago) link

one of the coolest things about AOC is when she says something that even my right-wing friends are forced to agree with. this has happened multiple times already!

Mordy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:49 (seven months ago) link

she has triggered so many people so easily, it's astonishing.

omar little, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:51 (seven months ago) link

she may be a bit more of a unicorn than the vanguard of a future wave of AOC clones

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:51 (seven months ago) link

"I hope she doesn't get assassinated" has an uncomfortable undertone of concern trolling

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. If you are going to change things, that's what you'll face.

The bigger point is to build a network of left-politicians so the thing doesn't fall apart over one bullet. Not interested in this great person will save us all narrative because its ultimately up to us all.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:53 (seven months ago) link

She seems to have triggered trump and his speechwriters already, too. The reference to socialism in his SOTU seemed like just as much a shot at AOC and her crew as it was at Bernie Sanders

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:53 (seven months ago) link

The focus on her salary, clothes, what she did 10 years ago etc. really reminiscent of when Corbyn first came along here.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:54 (seven months ago) link

lol, about 80 posts in an hour and five of them are "did we HAVE to make this thread", uh, yeah

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:55 (seven months ago) link

it is amazing how every shot they've taken at her has backfired - amplifying her policy views, spreading videos of her being fun and cool, revealing that they have no clue how marginal tax rates work...isn't this the sort of thing the GOP is supposed to be good at?

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:02 (seven months ago) link

The real problem is that the Democrats have been afraid to push back because they thought the main things Americans want are civility and politeness.

As it turns out, the main thing Americans actually want is a future.

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:11 (seven months ago) link

isn't this the sort of thing the GOP is supposed to be good at?

lol not really

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:12 (seven months ago) link

(So, when someone pops up who unabashedly and unashamedly says "here is an actual left vision for the future that most people can grasp/imagine", the Right can't do much about it because all of their attacks have been predicated on the notion that the people they're attacking are too polite to baldly call bullshit)

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:13 (seven months ago) link

the right has been called on their bullshit over and over again, but now that message has found a better messenger.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:15 (seven months ago) link

The bigger point is to build a network of left-politicians so the thing doesn't fall apart over one bullet. Not interested in this great person will save us all narrative because its ultimately up to us all.

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:53 (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

y'all ready for this?

xyzzzz otm. let this be the start of something

imago, Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:18 (seven months ago) link

Not interested in this great person will save us all narrative because its ultimately up to us all.

yep

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:20 (seven months ago) link

yea I mean look at all the young, history-making Dem reps elected in 2018 (nearly all female) - hopefully that is what winds up being Trump's political legacy

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:25 (seven months ago) link

great man theory, even if it's great woman, is def played out but i dig AOC and am hopeful she's a force for good for the long term

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:42 (seven months ago) link

she didnt ummm split tips correctly at the end of the night or something (?)

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:48 (seven months ago) link

She came dancing across the water. (Not a flaw.)

clemenza, Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:52 (seven months ago) link

she was a johnny-come-lately phoenix fan

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:58 (seven months ago) link

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4778221/rep-ocasio-cortez-explains-broken-system

^ this is not fun to watch but fun to hear her go

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:04 (seven months ago) link

I did find this FB post from yesterday amusing:

http://dellioandwoods.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/cortez.jpg?resize=219%2C219

"When you see a Strong Woman in real life for the first time."

I like her a lot, but I don't know, that might be a little wishful thinking there. I really don't think that's what's going on in that photo.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:06 (seven months ago) link

reframing it that way makes sense, because it is out there already and the other framing drags down everyone in it

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:20 (seven months ago) link

another 'trying to make her look bad but making her even cooler' moment

.@aoc has a 430 credit score, two evictions, and an empty résumé

Just two months ago, she couldn’t afford an apartment in DC

Now, the Democratic leadership has put her on the Financial Services Committee & the media is saying that her Green New Deal will “reshape” the economy

— John LeFevre (@JohnLeFevre) February 7, 2019

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:36 (seven months ago) link

I know conservatives haaaate strong women, so I was preparing myself to see a lot of unfortunate shit posted about her, but I've been honestly shocked at the absolutely disgusting stuff my conservative family and high school acquaintances have been posting on FB for her. It really is horrifying.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:40 (seven months ago) link

i've seen a lot of memes calling her crazy and stupid but honestly in a post-trump world is all feels pretty desperate

Mordy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:46 (seven months ago) link

maybe we need another civil war

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:48 (seven months ago) link

a task of movements must be to act to produce politicians beholden to them: movement politicians willing to fight to advance movement demands while the movements continue outside agitation. this is to say that we must do more than wait on the next AOC to emerge. we have to act to produce the next AOC.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:50 (seven months ago) link

xp: I don't know about "need" but it seems like we're headed that way

Maybe we can combine it with the impending class war and get them both over, like ripping off a particularly troublesome bandaid that will end up murdering half the world

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:50 (seven months ago) link

maybe throw in a little WWIII just to clear the plate completely

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 21:52 (seven months ago) link

sure but once you get down to zero people it's all staggering open spaces or crazy mountains or wetlands

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Friday, 13 September 2019 21:21 (one week ago) link


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