What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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yeah I was gonna say that libcom link falls more under "legit critique of a particular action" than a "flaw" and if she's already moved on from that stance then so much the better.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (seven months ago) link

the way Congress operates you kind of have to either vote for some bad things or not vote for some good things because it all comes in the same bill. I don't think she'd actually vote against abolishing ICE if such a thing were to come up.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (seven months ago) link

Cool thanks I wasn't really buying it too much (basically if you fuck with electoralism lib com goes after you)

But that's the only thing I've seen (and I almost always only entertain critiques of left-politicians from the left)

I was reading this piece on her call with Corbyn and she was swayed a bit on the allegations he is an anti-semite. That's more a product of doing too much twitter where everyone tweets to you with their agendas.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/02/how-to-think-clearly-about-anti-semitism-controversies-in-the-labour-party

But if the worst thing is that she might tweet something that isn't so good at times then she's doing amazing.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (seven months ago) link

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:50 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump methods too. You float something outrageous (end birthright citizenship), everyone goes "THAT'S PREPOSTEROUS" and then the "smart" and "reasonable" people say "well actually lots of countries don't have birthright citizenship at all." Now you've shifted the debate into your territory, and maybe you can't change the constitution in that particular case, but you've weakened resistance to tighter immigration laws.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:00 (seven months ago) link

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (seven months ago) link

I'm still laughing at this tweet chain where her chief of staff was clued in not to take a meeting with known grifters (original post deleted but you get the jist)

This guy is a dingbat grifter, take the time to do 3 seconds of googling bro

— Dan (@dankmtl) February 4, 2019

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (seven months ago) link

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (seven months ago) link

frogbs otm, that would be the real overton window shifting strategy, but Trump literally doesn't understand it and is obsessed with numbers

If he were to get six billion he's still not building a wall, he's saying "we built it" and just tossing the money at the border patrol/DHS and never calling them to check to see where it went

he's stuck on six billion = wall

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (seven months ago) link

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

― frogbs, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:03 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump personally is a mental and emotional child. I mean Stephen Miller and the like.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (seven months ago) link

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

― Trϵϵship, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:05 PM (fifteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I literally told a friend I thought she could be president back when we weren't even sure if she could win her primary. I don't attribute that to any special insight, it's plain to see.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:06 (seven months ago) link

She’s actually impressive in an age of mass disillusionment.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (seven months ago) link

I mean decisively taking down a well-liked establishment dude like Crowley with like 5% of the funding and no corporate endorsements whatsoever is legit one of the most impressive political accomplishments I've ever witnessed

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (seven months ago) link

for sure

although "well-liked" might be a stretch -- I think he was a bit complacent and absent from his district, leaving more of an opening than realized. But def well-connected in queens overall. I mean, chair of the queens democratic party, mr. machine.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (seven months ago) link

I like her a lot and think she has a bright future, including a possible path to the presidency if she chooses to pursue it (which is a bit difficult to do from the House, historically). There is, of course, still plenty of time for her to flame out or not deliver on big legislative priorities, but so far she's been very sure-footed and she has excellent priorities and communications skills.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (seven months ago) link

her main flaw appears to be her mortality and lack of imperviousness to bullets fired by white nationalists

imago, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:11 (seven months ago) link

xp - he was like 3rd in line for Speaker, right?

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:12 (seven months ago) link

xp

Uhhhh.....

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:13 (seven months ago) link

main reason for this thread is that she is an excellent twitterer, so maybe her daily handful of zings can go here instead of the other threads.


this is an argument against a fourth thread

The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:14 (seven months ago) link

xps iirc the last recent notable political assassination was in the UK, let's not throw stones shall we?

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:14 (seven months ago) link

Steve Scalise and Gabby Giffords, tho

It really isn't funny to joke about at all

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:18 (seven months ago) link

otm

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:18 (seven months ago) link

steve scalise jokes are funny cause he survived and he's fucking asshole. Speculating about political assassinations that haven't happened is not particularly funny imho

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:21 (seven months ago) link

"I hope she doesn't get assassinated" has an uncomfortable undertone of concern trolling

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:23 (seven months ago) link

I'm still amazed no one managed to take a pop at Obama over 8 years

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:27 (seven months ago) link

I'm just voicing everyone's fear. I really, really hope she is able to fulfil her apparent destiny

imago, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:28 (seven months ago) link

I hate even speculating about it, but other than just the level of security presidents now have, I chalk it up to there probably being about an equally small number of people with sufficient motive and means to assassinate any president, like it's just always a small pool of people, racist or not.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:29 (seven months ago) link

i'm amazed any of us are alive tbh

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:33 (seven months ago) link

Take heart in the fact that political assassinations/assassination attempts are frequently the work of apolitical nutballs trying (for wholly-fabricated example) to drum up attention for their hand modeling career by taking a crack at a Missouri state senator who they mistook for Count Chocula. Very rarely is there any reasoned intention behind the act.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:38 (seven months ago) link

she really is an icon already

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DywzDuTUYAAopLa.jpg:large

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:38 (seven months ago) link

I wonder how long before the right tries to paint her as Eva Peron? You just know they are waiting to exploit even the tiniest cracks they can drive a wedge into. Some cracks they can exploit are bound to show up, especially as the left begins to pile more and more hopes on her and place greater demands for taking leadership on her shoulders. I hope she can assemble a very strong and astute group of staff and informal advisors to take some of that load. She's young, smart and strong, but she's human, too.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:46 (seven months ago) link

she has a staff and she doesn't need to spend time on fundraising calls. she has more time than any of them to strategize

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:47 (seven months ago) link

first there would have to be americans who knew who eva peron was besides a madonna role

Mordy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:48 (seven months ago) link

the right going all-out on her might backfire when there's suddenly a dozen more AOC-like candidates in 2022

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:48 (seven months ago) link

stfu lj

alomar lines, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:49 (seven months ago) link

one of the coolest things about AOC is when she says something that even my right-wing friends are forced to agree with. this has happened multiple times already!

Mordy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:49 (seven months ago) link

she has triggered so many people so easily, it's astonishing.

omar little, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:51 (seven months ago) link

she may be a bit more of a unicorn than the vanguard of a future wave of AOC clones

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:51 (seven months ago) link

"I hope she doesn't get assassinated" has an uncomfortable undertone of concern trolling

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. If you are going to change things, that's what you'll face.

The bigger point is to build a network of left-politicians so the thing doesn't fall apart over one bullet. Not interested in this great person will save us all narrative because its ultimately up to us all.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:53 (seven months ago) link

She seems to have triggered trump and his speechwriters already, too. The reference to socialism in his SOTU seemed like just as much a shot at AOC and her crew as it was at Bernie Sanders

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:53 (seven months ago) link

The focus on her salary, clothes, what she did 10 years ago etc. really reminiscent of when Corbyn first came along here.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:54 (seven months ago) link

lol, about 80 posts in an hour and five of them are "did we HAVE to make this thread", uh, yeah

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:55 (seven months ago) link

it is amazing how every shot they've taken at her has backfired - amplifying her policy views, spreading videos of her being fun and cool, revealing that they have no clue how marginal tax rates work...isn't this the sort of thing the GOP is supposed to be good at?

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:02 (seven months ago) link

The real problem is that the Democrats have been afraid to push back because they thought the main things Americans want are civility and politeness.

As it turns out, the main thing Americans actually want is a future.

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:11 (seven months ago) link

isn't this the sort of thing the GOP is supposed to be good at?

lol not really

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:12 (seven months ago) link

(So, when someone pops up who unabashedly and unashamedly says "here is an actual left vision for the future that most people can grasp/imagine", the Right can't do much about it because all of their attacks have been predicated on the notion that the people they're attacking are too polite to baldly call bullshit)

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:13 (seven months ago) link

the right has been called on their bullshit over and over again, but now that message has found a better messenger.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:15 (seven months ago) link

The bigger point is to build a network of left-politicians so the thing doesn't fall apart over one bullet. Not interested in this great person will save us all narrative because its ultimately up to us all.

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:53 (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

y'all ready for this?

xyzzzz otm. let this be the start of something

imago, Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:18 (seven months ago) link

Not interested in this great person will save us all narrative because its ultimately up to us all.

yep

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:20 (seven months ago) link

yea I mean look at all the young, history-making Dem reps elected in 2018 (nearly all female) - hopefully that is what winds up being Trump's political legacy

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:25 (seven months ago) link

great man theory, even if it's great woman, is def played out but i dig AOC and am hopeful she's a force for good for the long term

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:42 (seven months ago) link

A reminded that ABC is owned by the merry Walt Disney Company.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 13 September 2019 03:56 (six days ago) link

The Happiest Media Mega-Conglomerate on Earth.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 13 September 2019 04:46 (six days ago) link

people in that thread point out that it was a local Sinclair affiliate in DC that ran the ad

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 13 September 2019 12:57 (six days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG0T_hVMqLs

pomenitul, Friday, 13 September 2019 17:05 (six days ago) link

Ah right, that old socialist practice of forced marriage.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 13 September 2019 17:17 (six days ago) link

You're just blind to the meaning of TRUE socialism!

pomenitul, Friday, 13 September 2019 17:18 (six days ago) link

the ad is very *slow heavy metal music playing*

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 13 September 2019 17:32 (six days ago) link

Ah right, that old socialist practice of forced marriage.

read the republic! they'll rusticate your babies!! and your pawpaw!!!

j., Friday, 13 September 2019 18:46 (six days ago) link

pawpaw grows better in non-urban areas tbf

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, 13 September 2019 20:32 (six days ago) link

The USA is completely insane.

The Inner Mounting Phlegm (Tom D.), Friday, 13 September 2019 20:38 (six days ago) link

Only the parts with people in them.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 13 September 2019 20:47 (six days ago) link

Actually the parts with the least people in them seem to be the most insane

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 13 September 2019 21:19 (six days ago) link

sure but once you get down to zero people it's all staggering open spaces or crazy mountains or wetlands

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Friday, 13 September 2019 21:21 (six days ago) link


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