ils thread for general menswear and men's clothing ish

Bowties feel like those someone on Twitter whose bio is "Wordsmith. Flaneur. Lover of gin. Father."

Like those someone

I have one friend from law school who just goes all out with the bowtie guy thing and makes it work, but he is a Waspy guy with a long waspy name and a hairline halfway back on his head who fixes himself and his wife cocktails and enjoys gilbert and sullivan. He is just sincerely and wholesomely all the way that guy.

Like he is self-aware about it, but it's him.

Bowties are dumb as fuck

I mean, so are ties in general.

It's just the Man's leash around your neck

which is why i wear clip-on's

no bowtie boyz otm

i mean if you can make a bowtie work, hats off to u because i’ve never seen a bowtie work

"Wordsmith. Flaneur. Lover of gin. Father."

yes. and he’s matching the bowtie w a plaid shirt, suspenders, skinny raw denim and red wing boots

he has a waxed moustache

My former boss when I worked in a university library was a total anglophile who had sabbaticalled at Oxford, was a rare books expert and history PhD candidate, brought his own personal vintage teacup to the Starbucks in the student union for water refills (he had his own tea, of course), and once came to a party with his own vintage crystal cocktail glass in a special carrying case. He always wore a bowtie and honestly I think it would have been wrong if he hadn't.

I like bowties. But as with everything not in the norm, it depends on the guy making it work. My old boss started wearing them, and they were super modern proportions. He was also insanely hot.

So i ordered my spouse a bunch of shirts (button downs, short sleeves) from amazon (booooooo) prime wardrobe to try on. Got all amazon essentials and their good threads line. Pretty satisfied with the quality of fabric and cut. Keeping 6 out of the 8. Oddly, their tall fit in was too long for him. He's 6'3" and slender build.

yes. and he’s matching the bowtie w a plaid shirt, suspenders, skinny raw denim and red wing boots

the baudelaire essays about being a flaneur are all actually p good and interesting which make the word's endpoint as this guy all the more disappointing.

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I wear bow ties sometimes and feel fine. They’re just another tie. Don’t wear shitty, shiny, or pre-tied ones.

i don't think bowties as a category are bad, but like a lot of marginal menswear things you need to know what the fuck you're doing.

to be all the way out on bowties would be a tacit approval of neckties with formalwear which is way the hell worse

but this is where our flaneur wears a necktie!

GIS "hip bowtie guy" and every single person looks like an asshole except the ones that are inexorably handsome

i've had to wear both bowties and ties in previous servicey jobs. I liked bowties more because ties got dirtier and were harder to keep out of the way if you are only wearing a button down.

xp i'm not sure what that's supposed to indicate?

i never wear formal stuff in my daily life but i really enjoy wearing a suit for a wedding or whatever and have about two/three ties i like.

Yeah ties are great. Only wear them at weddings and v occasional work things so they still feel somewhat special, and the right tie can look really good. Bowties are quite upsetting to see in any context.

For me, ties are fun. They're not required in my workplace, but they aren't frowned upon. (Lots of men in my department go tieless unless they have an important meeting.)

That means my tie choice is an act of almost complete autonomy. It's a moment in my day that is purely about me. I can be governed by whim or whimsy or mood, by convention, or anything in between.

A good tie choice can harmonize the other elements in one's ensemble. Or contrast from them in an interesting way. A lot of the time I use a tie as a diplomat; a Switzerland that can mediate between other garments.

For example, I am wearing slate-blue chinos and a charcoal sportcoat right now, with a white button-down shirt. My tie is sky-blue and white stripes on a dove-grey field. It ties the other things together like Lebowski's rug.

Ymmv, of course. If that's not your thing it isn't your thing. But personally I don't find ties a hardship or a noose. I regard them as a daily opportunity for creativity and private fun.

I actually like ties as well, and also I have to wear them for work on occasion. I recently somewhat indulgently bought a Ferragamo tie with a print of a leopard lounging in a tree, it's pretty tight.

my issue with ties is that i don't find them comfortable. at a wedding or funeral i inevitably am tieless once the ceremony is over and I'm at the bar.

however there is no dress code in my office and i just dress like a normcore manbaby

It's your life and your neck, of course. But in my experience? If a tie is uncomfortable it's because your shirt is the wrong size.

Usually, people don't mind shoes that fit closely. Or socks. Or the waistbands of your underwear and pants. People wear watches and jewelry that fit closely to the relevant body parts all the time, but mostly you only hear OMG THIS GARMENT IS STRANGLING ME WITH THE OPPRESSION OF THE MAN about collars and neckties. It's weird cherry picking imo.

i never wear watches or jewelry either to be fair because i find them even more uncomfortable (i was married for 5 years and never wore a ring)

this pic from an ad in my fb feed is killing me rn

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t45.1600-4/cp0/q90/spS444/p600x600/52486053_6142965430680_8905919643818917888_n.png.jpg?_nc_cat=109&efg=eyJxZV9ncm91cHMiOlsibm9fc2FmZV9pbWFnZV9mb3JfYWRzX2ltYWdlIl19&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=e521c2cc350d342f254d3f6550c042cb&oe=5CE1587C

strong look

"what happened? i thought you were comin back with some plant food for these, these, what are these, fuckin begonias"

Like Tony Montana joined Ash

That's better than my first thought, which was what if Lord Byron was in Oasis

i dont really wear graphic tees but thinking i cld get into the small pocket (area) graphic

https://i.imgur.com/eMufdVU.png

its kinda hard to shop for them specifically tho

alot of them have graphics on the back which is not what im looking for, also i dont want there to be an actual pocket, i wld consider wearing a plain pocket tee tho

feel like its associated with "surf style"

maybe if i look for surf tees

does anyone know a cool surf label

the other day i was thinking its weird that there are all these cool skate labels now but no one is really doing anything with surf brands. idk i guess were not really in a very surf-friendly moment rn. saturdays surf had some good graphic tees last time i looked but they are a little like, tasteful, i guess. i thrifted some old quicksilver stuff over the last year-ish or so and they have some cool stuff but theres a lot of ugly shit. also they have a bad looking logo

stussy

literally all of them have graphics on the back (same one but bigger) why does it have to be like this, i guess i cld just pretend like its not there

otm re the need for good surf tees for after wave riding

battenwear is kinda surfy

https://battenwear.com

<3 battenwear but they've gotten soooooo expensive

i had a nice shirt from them that i got in 2012 and when it died a couple of years ago i was very sad

lol aftering reading this i went and looked at saturday surf's website and saw this shirt which is a prime example of your complaint i guess. i do kinda like it tho. they also do have some w/o a back graphic but they are less cool to me than this one

ha yeah i just looked at that one

i like some of their stuff but i wish it didnt say new york city all over it

I never feel comfortable buying graphic tees because I feel like I'm out of the loop on the semiotics of them, and I'll be accidentally making myself out to be a part of some subculture I'm not actually attuned to. Plus I'm 39 years old.