"And then something unexpected happened. The USIC/USLE made public that Russia had hacked the DNC. Suddenly, team Trump realized the "how" of the help. They panicked... deals were being called off, a frenzy of meetings and discussions were had... (7/14)"
but Trump was publicly asking Russia to get Her Emails
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:06 (five years ago) link
Joeks...
― I don't come off well (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link
He didn’t understand the significance of that, then. It had to be explained to him.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:10 (five years ago) link
Life is just a joke for Trump.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link
Of course that is only half of the story, and she and Marcy Wheeler don't really delve into the second half - which is that having wittingly or unwittingly unlocked the house, once elected Trump likely committed further conspiratorial crimes in the form of cover-ups and obstruction, either out of ignorance or stupidity or likely both, plus arrogance (which is in character).
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link
Russiagate peddlers will hopefully be remembered for:1) twisting & ignoring the available facts to fit their conspiracy theory2) weakening an effective Resistance by prioritizing ⬆️ 3) promoting the new Cold War & national security state 4) having once been taken seriously.— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) March 20, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 March 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
congrats, Morbs! knew this news would have you dancing!
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Saturday, 23 March 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link
oh, those sweet sweet squirts of seratonin when a shred of news seems to demonstrate that you were once half right about something. gotta make those last.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 23 March 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
i both hate when people are into russiagate fanfic and also really hate it when people bring up "russiagate fanfic" as a way of shaming people who are legit interested in some of the very serious and very sketchy stuff related to russia's meddling in the election, their relationship to trump and his cronies, etc.it's like social media makes people so eager to "take sides" that people can't occupy a sensible middle ground.― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, March 19, 2019 1:15 AM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's like social media makes people so eager to "take sides" that people can't occupy a sensible middle ground.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, March 19, 2019 1:15 AM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:00 (five years ago) link
there are/were many ways to nail the Shithead
putting all the eggs in this basket never made sense
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:07 (five years ago) link
bernie would have won.
― shoulda zagged (esby), Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link
Rachel Maddow & Co will get Yam reelected if you let em
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:12 (five years ago) link
Gummy your reasonable middle of the road guy take is more worthless than either of those.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:30 (five years ago) link
But I do feel a very bittersweet sense of vindication. Daddy Mueller was never going to save us. You have to do that by winning elections, which you have to do by appealing to people. Centrism doesn’t.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link
more like Nerdy Poindy
― velko, Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:32 (five years ago) link
Idk. I think Gummy is right. We (the opponents of Trump) put ourselves in a position where “collusion” became the only thing that mattered. Clearing that low hurdle appears, absurdly, to “vindicate” him.
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:37 (five years ago) link
i'm not convinced that MSNBC hosts a few twitter personalities, who are pretty much the only ones who were nearly "putting all the eggs in this basket", are as important as some of you seem to imply.
none of the presidential candidates, and nearly none of the congressional/senate candidates from last year, were doing this, for one thing. a lot of the most high-profile candidates, many of whom won, had hardly anything to say about russiagate.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 23 March 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link
*hosts and a few twitter personalities
reasonable middle of the road guy take
do i have a specific "take" though? i don't think i do; i certainly haven't articulated it here, or tried.
my thing is with people who just adopt a "strong" unnuanced take, not because it's productive, but b/c it allows them to spend their time and energy dunking on people. but i guess that's just social media.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 23 March 2019 19:25 (five years ago) link
i mean left twitter is constantly dunking on the not-literally-but-nearly-straw-man of the russiagate conspiracy theorist and conflating it with the main stream of the democratic party. but if anything lots of high-profile dems have studiously sought to diminish expectations in re. mueller and have focused their energies on other investigations and above all on policy debates and such. i mean ted lieu tweets a lot but he's hardly the typical one.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 23 March 2019 19:27 (five years ago) link
Zaddy Mueller types roughly as common as Bernie bros ime
― Simon H., Saturday, 23 March 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link
kind of a little odd to see "leftists" cheering the news that donald trump isn't going to prison, but twitter does strange things to people's minds.
maybe now they can turn their focus to getting rachel maddow fired or whatever else it is they care about.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 23 March 2019 21:44 (five years ago) link
Did I miss something? Did everyone already read the report?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 23 March 2019 21:46 (five years ago) link
The mods got an advance copy
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 23 March 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
kind of a little odd to see "leftists" cheering the news that donald trump isn't going to prison
the thing is, this isn't news
― Simon H., Saturday, 23 March 2019 22:01 (five years ago) link
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:48 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
only sitewide mods did
― you know who deserves sitewide mod privileges? (m bison), Saturday, 23 March 2019 22:02 (five years ago) link
This is so disingenuous.
The only solution to trump is political.putting all the eggs in the basket of trump-russia stuff which frequently went into conspiracy theory territory (Bannon death sentence,pee tape) has been a political miscalculation from resistance libs
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 23 March 2019 22:06 (five years ago) link
It may just be an artifact of my own little internet bubble, but I haven't seen any liberals melting down because Trump isn't in handcuffs, but I've seen a ton of leftists gleefully mocking liberals for their meltdowns and the nothingburger report.
Also, I haven't seen the actual report, and neither have you.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 23 March 2019 22:12 (five years ago) link
Yes, it's your bubble.
― Simon H., Saturday, 23 March 2019 22:18 (five years ago) link
what libs are freakin out,sounds cheering. who?
― Hunt3r, Saturday, 23 March 2019 22:26 (five years ago) link
literally nobody of importance in the democratic party or on the left here is "putting all their eggs in one basket."
frankly, nobody seems more obsessed with the russia business than idiots like aaron mate or michael tracey who seem to dedicate their entire lives to "debunking" it, 24/7.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 23 March 2019 22:30 (five years ago) link
Counterpoint: true facts stated guy, mensch, game theory bozo, maddow
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 23 March 2019 22:37 (five years ago) link
All eggs in one basket was incorrect I'll concede. Undue hope of arrest of trump and juridical solution to his reign more accurate
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 23 March 2019 22:38 (five years ago) link
Maddie has been bad for a long time now
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Saturday, 23 March 2019 22:53 (five years ago) link
yeah maddow probably is the most prominent left/dem person who is completely obsessed w/ this stuff, i find her pretty embarrassing
lol i just looked up the game theory guy and apparently he started his own private twitter channel that he charges ppl $10 a month to read
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 23 March 2019 23:01 (five years ago) link
No one said liberals are “freaking out” about the report *now*. They are doing the predictable thing of quietly slinking away from it.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 24 March 2019 00:07 (five years ago) link
nobody seems more obsessed with the russia business than idiots like aaron mate or michael tracey who seem to dedicate their entire lives to "debunking" it, 24/7.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:30 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is so clearly not true
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 24 March 2019 00:08 (five years ago) link
J.D. absolutely otm
― Frederik B, Sunday, 24 March 2019 00:09 (five years ago) link
Lol
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 24 March 2019 00:16 (five years ago) link
What exactly does slinking away mean in this context? Reserving judgment until more is known about it?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 24 March 2019 01:07 (five years ago) link
nobody seems more obsessed with the russia business than idiots like aaron mate or michael tracey who seem to dedicate their entire lives to "debunking" it, 24/7
idk who the first guy is, and fuck Michael Tracey, but c'mon, there's plenty of obsession to go around
In memoriam of Russiagate (July 24, 2016 - March 22, 2019)pic.twitter.com/xnvpW44b8c— Thomas! (@ThomasIsOnline) March 23, 2019
― Simon H., Sunday, 24 March 2019 01:17 (five years ago) link
I mentioned my internet bubble up thread. I think a big part of that is that I only follow people on social media that I enjoy reading, I don't do hate reads. If someone has consistently bad, overheated, or incorrect things to say, and their followers are equally bad, I'd just as soon not have time and headspace occupied by them.
That's probably why I find these conversations so baffling.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 24 March 2019 01:22 (five years ago) link
I wanted to believe
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, 24 March 2019 01:36 (five years ago) link
yeah, i don't know how you measure these things, but i don't see the people "obsessed" with russiagate really driving much of anything politically. maddow is a cable TV personality. cable news is (sadly) very important in total but i think one or two hosts don't a movement make. ted lieu and maybe one or two other elected national politicians talk(ed) about it a lot. and then there are the weird twitter grifters and kooks. i don't know how to measure their influence, but i suspect it's minimal b/c every poll that tries to measure the real-world influence of various twitter trends tends to find that most people just don't give a shit. when politicians are asked about this, especially those actively running for office, their answers tend to be versions of what buttigieg is quoted as saying up above, namely that the corruption of this presidency and his vulnerability to certain kinds of foreign influence is troubling, but that we shouldn't hope to be rid of him this way.
it seems like for certain folks, the need to demonstratively shame people "obsessed with russiagate fanfic" is out of all proportion to how prevalent that sort of magical thinking is. i know a few people whose entire social media pages are all sharing tweets and links etc. dunking on dems and "liberals" for supposedly being so irrational about russia and mueller, and relatively infrequently acknowledging the odious shit that the GOP is up to. some of these folks are activists genuinely engaged in struggles over the direction of the Democratic party; others just seem like they are endlessly stroking themselves -- a sort of narcissism of small differences.
the bottom line is that we should all get of the internet.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Sunday, 24 March 2019 01:49 (five years ago) link
people who tend to circulate in all-liberal milieux (whether that means their actual in-person contacts w/ other human beings or just who they "talk" to online) might have a tendency to do this sort of performative dunking more often, since it seems like a more proximate or possibly lower-hanging irritant than the fascist administration, whose actions may or may not have begun to directly affect their lives and livelihoods.
that's just my speculation though, i haven't done a scientific survey.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Sunday, 24 March 2019 01:52 (five years ago) link
oh one other thing
the people i know (whether i "know" them IRL or online) who do the most of this dunking tend to be miserable, self-hating folk (who sometimes happen to also be very interesting and smart people). so there's some way that this just seems like an outlet for negativity more than a pure righteous anger, which explains why it can get so obsessive and tedious.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Sunday, 24 March 2019 01:53 (five years ago) link
thx jim. i know of mensch, never read/followed tho, and i'm familiar with maddow, who will always be known in my heart as the "gym-teacher-type morbs fuckin HATES." i'm like, incapable of not smiling in my heart at that, even when she perseverates smugly.
― Hunt3r, Sunday, 24 March 2019 02:13 (five years ago) link
I know a lot of people who are sad about Trump not getting indicted and they all seem like very well meaning left leaning people, not “liberals”
― ⅋ (crüt), Sunday, 24 March 2019 02:21 (five years ago) link
Oh for sure, and I don’t have any grudge against those people for it, because Trump is a dangerous president and it’s natural to hope for any possible way out. But the media have whipped people into a frenzy about it and built completely unrealistic expectations.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 24 March 2019 02:40 (five years ago) link
yep. doing what they do best!
― ⅋ (crüt), Sunday, 24 March 2019 02:41 (five years ago) link
We're all sad that Trump isn't getting indicted/stroking out while taking a dump but it did take a certain kind of credulous liberal to think Russiagate was going to amount to anything real.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 24 March 2019 02:41 (five years ago) link