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love a lot of Waits' recent work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5X4N2exOsU

Was gonna start going over my deep thoughts about Cave's artifice, then realized I'd captured them pretty well here

http://dustedmagazine.tumblr.com/post/150358081791/nick-cave-and-the-bad-seeds-skeleton-tree-bad

Thirty years ago, Cave was my fav songwriter. He lost me by Murder Ballads, precisely because it was all theatrics. He has clawed his way back close to the lead in recent years, mostly because he doesn't try to recreate "Mercy Seat" or "Tupelo" at all. Tracks like that are over-the-top, but still fueled by empathy and exploration. They risk devolving into shtick, and that's what's occasionally happens to him (and Waits, and Cohen...) Bush, while not aesthetically similar, presents the same challenges. She has been cautiously unprolific enough to avoid the same problems though. Waits won me back with Bad as Me, which I didn't even give a listen until a few years after it came out. But the Bush-like sabbatical served him (and Brennan) well, allowing them to refocus.

I'd place Gillian Welch in this group as well, though she's a generation later, so a different context for the same costumes and criticisms. (More parallels: Welch and Waits are songwriting duos that maintain singular personae.)

booming review

thanks

Was gonna start going over my deep thoughts about Cave's artifice, then realized I'd captured them pretty well here

http://dustedmagazine.tumblr.com/post/150358081791/nick-cave-and-the-bad-seeds-skeleton-tree-bad

Well-crafted treatise; as a long time fan i seem to always find something redeemable in everything he touches (soundtracks and screenplays included). Cave is still a live draw and must feel pressure to produce rave-ups alongside his more tender ballads in order to keep his audience engaged. The swingin' dick illustrated below is artifice, but oh, what fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLKgUu7QqpM

Great post bendy

Lyre of Orpheus/Abbatoir Blues is the best Cave record

Sometimes I think so! That's where he won be back from Murder Ballads, specifically, "frappucino in my hand..."

the part where he manages to crack up the backup singers in "Hiding All Away" always makes me smile

(Nobody could ever say Cave, Waits or Cohen were ever young, even when they were young)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5I2vEcVC_I

CO: The best thing about any Nick Cave project is Tracy Pew, The Birthday Party bassist who died in '86.

C'mon Bendy, "The Kindness of Strangers" makes me ball everytime i hear it,,,, every time.

ball don't lie

I'm assume you mean bawl?

😏

I'm trying to listen to Scott Walker. Even when he seems to be trying his hardest his voice has as much soul as Dean Martin's.

they should have a song called "I'm limp for you"

Surrender is the best Chemical Brothers LP

I don't care about voices having 'soul'.

what about feeling?

Same.

Scott Walker's voice is very mannered and takes some getting used to, not the same thing as being soulless.

What should vox have then?

If it has feeling and soul, that's great, if it doesn't, it doesn't bother me. Though, of course it would help if the terms feeling and soul could be defined first.

There are different kinds of voices which work in different ways, I wouldn't say there are a universal set of qualities

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsAeAMNz7Bs
I mean I can listen to someone like Jose Mauro with a very similar orchestral/confident baritone style to Scott Walker... and it just excels in every way because this music has soul. I was playing it and Scott Walker 4 side by side (both 1970 albums). I pause one and listen to the other for a while. Then go back. I even tried a Scott Walker collection album.

It's kind of funny how similar the album covers are.

https://img.discogs.com/MvqiaJcfeT5wuBBMKkeoC5tb7_g=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-1574343-1345055346-2065.jpeg.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3yRlRcHbPY

I guess I'll try a little harder... I'm going back to Scott Walker 4

I prefer Scott 3.

Scott's finest vocals imo are on Scott 3, I vastly rate that album over 4

wow jinx

I once thought as you, then listened to Scott 4 and Got It.

I believe it was William Joel who said, "It's all about soul."

Window dressing background music + window dressing voice don't work together. Something has got to give and my verdict seems to lean towards Scott Walker doesn't have much to give. I'm hearing hallmark tv-movie music on lots of these tracks.

I'm with you on most of his other material.

I've never didn't got Scott 4! The Seventh Seal is dross, On Your Own Again is moving because of the epiphany and the string entry and charming in it brevity, The World's Strongest Man is trite, Angels Of Ashes is a cyclical wonderland that I adored until I decided I might learn it and then read the lyrics and wow they are bad, Boy Child is one of Scott's best, same with Hero, and I have no particular feelings for he rest of it. 4 is scattershot emotionally and there is none of the incredible world-building that Scott 3 goes for, which sustains such a specific and perfect mood, and would be one of my favourite records of all time except that "We Came Through" is out of place, "30th Century Man" is unambitious, and I prefer Brel in French

The keepers from 4:

On Your Own Again (brevity!)
Hero of the War
Boy Child
Get Behind Me
The Old Man's Back Again

...which is five more than I expected.

I'm not sure why so many people like "On Your Own Again".

I don't think disliking Scott Walker's 60s music is exactly controversial fwiw.

I'm trying to listen to Scott Walker. Even when he seems to be trying his hardest his voice has as much soul as Dean Martin's.

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this is what made "epizootics" so interesting to me, scott walker sings in pretty much the whitest manner imaginable

the actual fuck is a comparison with dean martin a slur now

If only he was half as good as Dean Martin.

youd hardly ask andy williams to move from that spot for him

true.

Maybe change this thread title to "daft shit people think"

I don't know anything about Hozier, and am deeply suspicious of who or what he may be, but ... I kind of like the two new songs of his?

Re: Dean
Operatic lounge music. Hardly a surprise that people couldn’t give 2 shits. I respect his place in history though.

recommend me some good dean martin because "hominy grits" fucking sucks, what the hell are you even doing dean

I find that people like you who like too much music can’t be the most discerning of listeners

No such thing as listening to too much music and fuck being discerning

I agree with you on the former