Your 2020 Presidential Candidate Speculation Thread

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yes but Canadians are a passionate, hot blooded people who often get swept up in the moment

I’m not sure of the value in trying to find moments from years ago when a candidate was in a different situation with a different political equation to cast aspersions. And there can be no possibility of explanation or forgiveness. And all that to completely ignore “hey what is she actually running on?”

it is obviously fair game to examine a politician’s record and weigh it against his or her campaign rhetoric

it’s clear harris is an excellent politician and is the type to be prepared with a great politician’s answer to all the usual tough questions. I’d personally appreciate a little more insight into why she feels those positions were wrong before and why she’s changed her mind aside from the changing political winds

This just happened with Trudeau on electoral reform and probably more I'm blanking on rn xps

hey Nerdstrom, Obama's 2008 'policies' included a buncha shit he never did.

where every politician is either a supervillain or a superhero

no, they're all assorted varieties of shit. It's what happens when you have to appeal to morons (somewhere between a third and half of the human race). People don't follow actual policy implementation bcz it's motherfucking boring.

just deliverin' some Realism milkshakes today

Xxpost “All the time “?

Perhaps maybe if you include stuff Obama didn’t actually run on

perhaps maybe you're an idiot

I have zero doubt Kamala Harris would be approximately one million times better as president than the shitstain currently occupying the WH, but that also goes for all of the others i guess.

Xpost name a single thing you had in mind with “it happens all the time”

yes, we all agree almost anyone would be a better prez than DJT, including prosecuting many of the same Forever Wars more efficiently.

now can you self-anointed experts all plz fuck off?

Liberals in Canada promised that if they won the last federal election in Canada it would be the last federal election in Canada under FPTP. This year's federal election will be under FPTP as they decided against electoral reform.

Obama pledged to close Guantánamo Bay.

Liberal Democrats in the UK ran on not raising VAT if they were elected, as part of the coalition government they voted to raise VAT.

Obama pledged to close Guantánamo Bay.

lol try harder

that was literally the first executive order he signed after being sworn in, and he was blocked by Congress.

which continued to fight him over it for his entire administration

read my lips

he didn't add "unless I am blocked by Congress."

also promised to walk a picket line with a union HAHAHAHAHA

also said he was "against stupid wars" and continued to wage about seven of them

also something about letting Dr Morbius choose his own doctor

that was literally the first executive order he signed after being sworn in, and he was blocked by Congress.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:21 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seem to remember obama having a democratic majority in the legislature for 2 years

I’d personally appreciate a little more insight into why she feels those positions were wrong before and why she’s changed her mind aside from the changing political winds

― k3vin k., Wednesday, January 30, 2019 11:06 AM (twenty minutes ago)

otm

Okay Ted Cruz

“also something about letting Dr Morbius choose his own doctor”

seem to remember obama having a democratic majority in the legislature for 2 years

yeah, and they fought him over it

hey like you never agree with the mass murderers in the CIA, right NP?

(ie dont be a pussy)

fuck all presidents really

wake me when it's over

Not reading any of the Canada or UK stuff.

Obama was critical of Iraq war but I remember him repeatedly promising to go after terrorists in Afghanistan

also promised to walk a picket line with a union

this is not a policy position fyi

if you can point me to Obama's anti-union legislation though let me know

Obama also drew down all our troops from Iraq (I know, Morbz thinks this war is still going on)

why am I bothering

I think we can be forgiven for a lack of clarity on which wars are or are not going on

WWII is still going on too iirc, after all we still have troops in Germany.

Not reading any of the Canada or UK stuff.

lol

when will Obama finally end the Korean War

seem to remember obama having a democratic majority in the legislature for 2 years

yeah, and they fought him over it

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:34 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

his administration also fought against transferring prisoners who had been cleared by the periodic review board despite that very transferring being their stated aim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

but yeah, it's not fair to call something a broken promise when it would have cost political capital to get it done

Obama was against the individual mandate

I don't think it was a question of political capital as much as Obama didn't have leverage over the hawks in his party who wanted to block him over it, and had the authority to do so. The president is not an autocrat.

and I thought the transfer thing was because the Senators of the states they were gonna get transferred to objected and blocked them

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius) at 11:07 30 Jan 19

just deliverin' some Realism milkshakes today


2 Morbz 1 Cup

gross

sorry shakes Puritanism is alive and well

lol

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/08/01/why-obama-has-failed-to-close-guantanamo

multiple "viral" 80s Bernie vids making the rounds lately but none seem particularly damning (or interesting)

where someone did the dramatic heel turn and reversed a stance upon getting safely elected?

this happens all the time

There's a good case to be made that Trump made half a dozen outrageous promises while campaigning, such as 'every one will have great medical insurance and it will be cheaper, too', then transparently did the opposite, but he was transparently conning people in a way rarely seen before.

In general, presidents reverse themselves far less often than Congressional reps, who arrive in Congress and discover they have almost no power as individuals and they need to compromise their positions to fall in line with their party or to horse trade their vote. By contrast, the president has the power to do more things by fiat and doesn't need to heel turn to fall in line.

I'm sure Jim in vancouver sees it more in Canadian politics than we do in the USA, because parliamentary politics are differently structured than here.

This @PeterBeinart piece gets to something that has always bugged me: She was seen as a lackluster campaigner until she beat Scott Brown, then a dynamic campaigner when she didn't challenge Hillary, and now a "school marm" campaigner because uh reasons https://t.co/qmh9YRNbxf

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 9, 2019

My hot take on Warren is that she indeed damaged herself (years ago) with the Indian heritage claim, and that this has hurt her in polling, but that polling is being mis-read by people assume she's not a good campaigner. She is *very* good on the stump.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 9, 2019

why bump this thread and not the other one

it all goes to the same place in the end

Forgive me

Current List:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/politics/2020-democrats-running-for-president/index.html

Yes. Still 19 candidates.

And also for all of my degenerate friends:
https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures

although I like this, because it's graphical
https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/politics/democratic-party-presidential-nominee-odds/