be it resolved that the ILM EOY tracks poll institute a one-track-per-artist-per-rollout limit

drywall is a capitalist sham

Surely anyone in favour of this could simply wait until the full results are revealed and then edit the list to their own satisfaction.

Nay.

for the record, if I have this right, here's what would have made the rollout this year if repeats were out. diverse!

Black Dresses - Thoughts and Prayers
Sun-El Musician ft. Simmy - Sonini
Keyakizaka46 - Moumorihekaerouka?
Yves Tumor - Noid
Meg Baird and Mary Lattimore - Fair Annie
Childish Gambino - This Is America
Kendrick Lamar & SZA - All the Stars
Bruno Mars ft. Cardi B - Finesse
Raveena - Honey
SOPHIE - Faceshopping
Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks - Middle America

childish gambino not placing was worth it

I knew that was coming lol

also the spreadsheet docs were set up co copy/pasting was impossible so that third one was a real trial

Malkmus not placing wuz worth it!

also the spreadsheet docs were set up co copy/pasting was impossible so that third one was a real trial

― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, January 31, 2019 10:24 PM

There was a raw txt viewing option. Go look. You'll kick yourself.

lol

If you want 10 more entries for diversity, just present the top 87.

or listen to more music!

voted yes only because the worst placing evan-and-jaron-sounding 1975 song is extremely bad

lol I voted no originally, but for real I think the 1975 might have just convinced me to change my mind.

Much as I was getting infuriated by the repeat placings of the 1975, I'm still a 'no'. If ILX wants to vote for four 1975 tracks then they can, I'm just gonna get a bit mad on-thread.

same. even if it were two baby sharks

whatabout 2 High and Drys, though

If you want 10 more entries for diversity, just present the top 87.

I believe ILX numerology requires the mystical number 77.

would surely be baby shark, then mommy shark, daddy shark, grandma shark, etc

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Nay

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

pretty definitive

as it should be

the world's greatest deliberative body

people were asking about this / arguing again so I figured I'd give it a bump so ppl could be reminded how definitive this was

really not TOO many repeats this year, but two rock acts taking up over a tenth of the rollout was...a choice

One batch was from the first album in forever from a beloved cult figure who (no need to say the rest);

The other batch were from two separate albums by the best active rock band;

Both somewhat unique situations.

I could get behind the idea of prohibiting voters from voting for more than two (2) tracks from a single album, as discussed in the rollout thread (but not the measure proposed in this poll).

(FWIW, I voted for one (1) track by each artist — their respective tracks which placed highest)

I'm always a little disappointed because I would like to see more of my favorites show up, but the EOY tracks poll is what it is, a reflection of the year

which is great

the best active young rock band

^gonna quickly amend this, to avoid conflict

i don't think voters are loading their ballots with 5 tracks from the same album, everyone's just voting for a different 2

The thing with album artists is that there's little agreement on consensus tracks, so lots of stuff gets nominated and no one really knows whether the tracks they choose are the ones anyone else is voting for. That uncertainty incentivizes voting for more than one track if you are hoping to hit upon one other people like as well.

i do think purple mountains is an unusual circumstance that shouldn't change our opinions, i'm still a nay

if people want to see more variety from the lower end of the poll i'd rather just extend the countdown to 100 than remove duplicate artists. the three billie eilish tracks this year are all pretty different in vibe. i'm certainly not that thrilled on five different purple mountains tracks placing but i think that's the first time it's been this bad? was the previous record 4 crj tracks in 2015?

i'd be ok with limiting ballots to a maximum of two tracks by the same artist which would surely help a little bit but i'm not sure how much. there were a total of 44 votes for purple mountains tracks, but only from 24 voters, so most purple mountains voters were voting for two of their songs at least. this isn't the case for big thief (29 voters/41 votes) to the same degree or billie eilish (37 voters/39 votes) basically at all.

I am a big fan of the idea of expanding out to 100. fuck tradition

looking through the past results there was also 4 1975 tracks in 2018, 4 beyonce tracks in 2016 and 2013, and 4 taylor tracks in 2014, but none seem to have such a large number of voters voting for multiple tracks like purple mountains did this year which seems to be the driving force behind their record 5 tracks.

Change the results to only show the song title and not the artist. No words are repeated that way

you guys know that there are no cash prizes awarded to the winners, right?

use quadratic voting

I don't think any changes need to be made to the poll itself.

However, it would be good to have a friendly reminder during voting that it's best to adopt a "one track per artist" policy in your list, and people who insist on voting for 4 or 5 tracks from a single album should be sternly tutted at.

Yeah, limit the number of votes in a ballot to a maximum of two per artist. If someone wants to vote for more, just vote for the album, don't stuff the tracks poll full of album tracks.

Like, who care what's the 5th best track on some rock album? IMO the tracks poll is great for discovering new artists and/or artists who don't have albums, or the albums aren't strong enough to make in in the polls but some individual track is. Having 4 or 5 songs from an album in the track countdown and then the same album in the album countdown is just boring.

Maybe if five tracks place from a single album, that album then gets banned from the album rollout the following week

xp Exactly. Personally I do not care for albums, let alone rock albums, and it feels like they are spreading out of the albums list to the tracks list. Previous examples of multiple placements were mostly from pop albums with a lot of singles. Nothing against a good album track from a patchy LP of course!

saer profoundly OTM. LOL.

This really seems to be a non-problem. If one is bothered that Purple Mountains appeared more than once, then just look up the 78-81 poaitions and pretend the following rounded out the bottom of the 77:

Jenny Hval - High Alice
CZ Wang & Neo Image - Just Off Wave
Charli XCX ft. Sky Ferreira - Cross You Out
Rapsody ft. GZA & D'Angelo - Ibtihaj

Once you start limiting the number of nominations or ballot slots per artist you're forcing voters into strategic voting anyway (in the sense of voting for things that are not really their favourites), just at an earlier stage in the process. Alternatively, fans just decide not to bother as their preferred track is absent.

Also, in the case of Purple Mountains, it's worth bearing in mind that the lower three tracks were at #50 or lower and attracted a very modest 5, 6 or 7 votes each. One hardly needs a grand conspiracy to achieve those sorts of numbers. Maybe, just maybe it really was an album with a high number of tracks with moderately broad appeal.

I would rather the rollout discussion was about 77 different artists, than have a few acts taking up multiple places when they’re going to appear next week anyway when we ‘ll have basically the same conversation about them all over again

^ Yes, exactly.

Once you start limiting the number of nominations or ballot slots per artist you're forcing voters into strategic voting anyway

Yes, if people cannot bring themselves to vote strategically then they should be at least gently encouraged to do that.

A non-problem if there ever was one imo. I mostly care about the albums list, not tracks. But if a tracks poll is: 'vote for your favourite tracks', then let people vote for their favourite tracks! Imposing restrictions is just silly.

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