be it resolved that the ILM EOY tracks poll institute a one-track-per-artist-per-rollout limit

i cant really imagine that any act will get even 3 tracks placing this year, except maybe the 1975?

I would’ve thought Kacey Musgraves was a possibility before the poll began but she hasn’t showed up at all yet so I don’t think that’s likely

Yeah, IIRC only 4 of her tracks were actually nominated anyway. The album will get pretty close to the top of the albums poll, but I'm predicting that only High Horse and Slow Burn have a chance of showing up on the tracks poll.

I don't see how it's a problem to have several songs by an artist place in the same year, and I see incommensurable problems in trying to make sure of the contrary. So no. Also, Moka's proposal is a weird twist because it still includes all songs that received votes, naturally you'd still mentally calculate where Taylor Swift placed.

I just think it will cause people to make some tough choices that help eliminate weaker tracks.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, January 29, 2019 7:45 PM (yesterday)

I can maybe see this point, but who's going to decide what are the weaker tracks, and what about nominators of genres/artists not over-represented in the poll?

as far as the roll-out, I really don't agree with manipulating the results to eliminate artist duplications

The lower cap on nominations idea was also simple math: if you have 25 votes and 30-40 nominations, your vote will naturally be quite individualistic, because it's 40 nominations on top of everyone else. I think 40 pushes people to nominate just about anything remotely interesting just for the sake of having an impressive batch of 1300 songs, even if 94.1% of them will not place.
For example, the large limit allowed me to nominate like 4 songs from Aviary. I love those songs, but those nominations achieve little in the context of the poll.
I'm not expert, but I imagine a 25 nominations limit would still produce a total of close to 1000 songs / albums. People would share, talk and debate a little more, so it would potentially make the nomination process more interesting. And this change still guarantees freedom for everyone. At the moment, it seems that everyone has come up with "strategies", so everyone does seem to want to channel their votes to where they matter.
I don't know if the lower total of nominations would actually affect the final vote spread all that much though.

Is this thread copied from a Community Policing Guidelines Document?

lol! It is making discussions about key amendments to the 18th edition wiring regulations seem completely fucking riveting in comparison.

the trax/albums split doesn't really make much sense as it stands. lots of albums are single tracks, and the decision on how/whether to split long pieces into tracks is often taken on commercial grounds by labels. we've got a piece of music in the tracks 77 which is more than twice as long as some albums that might place. EPs get neglected and mixes, radio sets etc. get completely ignored. I can see why an artist 77 is tempting

I became suspicious there may be cops in our midst after listening to some of the records in the EOY rundown..

First they came for the good records and I said nothing because I was on holiday at the time, then they came for the coffee in Greggs, and I said nothing because the coffee in Greggs isn't bad actually for the price, then they came for warmth, charm, bonhomie and vibe and replaced them with amendments and corollaries

saer doesn't believe in music, people or good intentions.

Re multiple placements, Kacey will def get at least 2 and The 1975 will get at least 3. could just as easily turn out to be 3 and 4 respectively

think popular artists should be excluded from the EOY polls altogether. We get to talk about them all year long anyway, it’s just not fair to the also-rans.

Now THIS is something I could get behind.

cosign

1. Abolish nominations, just vote
2. You get to nominate two other posters with your ballot - one gets triple their points on everything they nominated and the others are reduced by half (even if this means they end up getting 0.000001 points or whatever)
3. Let a thousand flowers wilt

i like the esoteric poll that's been done post results the last few years, think it's fave album that only received 1 vote and it was a top 3 for that person

still think we should have negative votes as well

1. Abolish nominations, just vote

100 negative points to spend however we wish xp

Instead of negative votes (and artist poll, too redundant) ILM should just run a mini worst-tracks poll that could happen early January when we have the nominations list, while waiting for the rest. That way we can see if Drake really wins.

best-EPs would also be a good category for the EOY... but hello genre-splitting.

I _do_ run a worst tracks poll!
Vote for the Worst Song of 2017

will likely set the 2018 one up next week.

strong nay

just let ILM do its thing, the results are not going to be more interesting if they feature 77 unique lukewarm synth pop artists rather than 73

lol otm

oi

No, but I'd be interested in seeing the difference in previous years' polls of that rule were in place, and how it would have changed the rollout. Maybe include it in the appendices with all the other extra data at the roll-out close?

Definitely interested in an artist 77 measuring "impact", whatever that criteria means.

how hard they can drive their head through drywall

how hard they can drive their head through drywall

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses)

what do you have against drywall

an "esoteric" poll would be theoretically interesting, but i'm not sure we have the userbase to do it. sometimes "esoteric" means one really enthusiastic person, and polls don't really work for that

i say we abolish voting and let all eoy album decisions be made by a central committee, "democracy" is a capitalist sham

nxd was talking about "esoteric" polls like this:
Best album from the 2017 ILM EOY album poll that received only ONE top 3 weighted vote

drywall is a capitalist sham

Surely anyone in favour of this could simply wait until the full results are revealed and then edit the list to their own satisfaction.

Nay.

for the record, if I have this right, here's what would have made the rollout this year if repeats were out. diverse!

Black Dresses - Thoughts and Prayers
Sun-El Musician ft. Simmy - Sonini
Keyakizaka46 - Moumorihekaerouka?
Yves Tumor - Noid
Meg Baird and Mary Lattimore - Fair Annie
Childish Gambino - This Is America
Kendrick Lamar & SZA - All the Stars
Bruno Mars ft. Cardi B - Finesse
Raveena - Honey
SOPHIE - Faceshopping
Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks - Middle America

childish gambino not placing was worth it

I knew that was coming lol

also the spreadsheet docs were set up co copy/pasting was impossible so that third one was a real trial

Malkmus not placing wuz worth it!

also the spreadsheet docs were set up co copy/pasting was impossible so that third one was a real trial

― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, January 31, 2019 10:24 PM

There was a raw txt viewing option. Go look. You'll kick yourself.

lol

If you want 10 more entries for diversity, just present the top 87.

or listen to more music!

voted yes only because the worst placing evan-and-jaron-sounding 1975 song is extremely bad

lol I voted no originally, but for real I think the 1975 might have just convinced me to change my mind.

Much as I was getting infuriated by the repeat placings of the 1975, I'm still a 'no'. If ILX wants to vote for four 1975 tracks then they can, I'm just gonna get a bit mad on-thread.

same. even if it were two baby sharks

whatabout 2 High and Drys, though

If you want 10 more entries for diversity, just present the top 87.

I believe ILX numerology requires the mystical number 77.

would surely be baby shark, then mommy shark, daddy shark, grandma shark, etc

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

I voted for 3 PM tracks, but I'm totally fine with having a 2-track limit per artist. That's reasonable IMO.

The reason I voted for 3 is because 1) I really liked those three tracks; 2) I underestimated the popularity of this artist here and thus voted in hopes that I'd hit on one track that others liked enough to vote for also. I really didn't expect them to place more than twice in the top 77.

the funny thing is that Purple Mountains didn't even place in the album poll

oh shit i said that out loud didn't i

if you actually read the above you'll see people proposed something completely different and then it was characterised as being the same thing all over again in order to shut them up. so yes, see what you mean there.

I’d rather the list functioned as a place to be exposed to lots of different new stuff

Well, we have lots of threads for that already. This is a poll, and it should reflect the desired votes of the voting base as accurately as it can. Yes, it's boring to have lots of repeats, I agree, but if that's what people are voting for then that's what we should see in the results. A stern tutting is the limit for me.

I think we should just give half weight to votes for artists who died during the year in question, since they always get overrated.

As someone who voted for Mac Miler last year and nearly voted for Sulli this year, this is not true.

what about compulsory lie detector tests to make sure it really is your favourite tracks of the year?

all votes to dead artists should be reduced by 21 grams

The more ppl complain about this, the less I’m convinced it’s a problem. What if Purple Rain were released this year?

Just roll out the top 100 (or, heck, anything that gets more than 1 vote); but announce the lower songs on the list in “chunks” or something, and without individualized artwork. You can’t please everyone!

1999 was released this year and virtually nobody voted for it!

i like the esoteric poll that's been done post results the last few years, think it's fave album that only received 1 vote and it was a top 3 for that person

― nxd, Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:07 AM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

i really like this too.

People get soooooo pissy about tracks poll every single year, it's almost enough to justify one's belief in the innate superiority of the album format

are we getting enough votes this past decade each year to expand the rollout to 100 tracks?

I'd like to stick to 77, as it's the special ILx number, and also 100 feels a bit much.

agreed