JOE ROGAN VS. CARLOS MENCIA... FITE!!!

i actually don't think rogan is any dumber or more credulous than the average american newsmedia personality, though, and probably less reactionary and definitely less cold-blooded. i also i think his working class roots show (how lame that sounds writing it on ilx in this spirited defense of joe rogan!), like he was set by 30 but still grew up the kid of a single mom, raised in newton mass, didn't go to college etc.

it's ridiculous to suggest he's being taken advantage of by right wing grifters but intellectually he's quite often bullied; he has that anti-intellectual streak that makes america great, where he'll express an idea, like, why would you go to college and major in history when you can just listen to dan carlin's hardcore history? or, why would a kid go a hundred grand into debt getting a humanities degree when the great lectures are on youtube, ted talks, jordan peterson lecturing on the hero's journey and jung! he'd rather grapple with ideas from his own perspective and knowledge, which leaves him vulnerable to the elite-level sophistry of, say, candace owens or jordan p (if you put him against a neanderthal reactionary like owen benjamin or 2019 nick dipaolo, he does fine). he does push back! but it's usually ineffective.

great posts dylann

Yea i agree—good analysis. There is something charmingly populist about him and I understand why the podcast is popular. But yeah, he is a good mark for the peterson’s of the world

he does seem pretty consistent on a few other issues though, such as "fat people are gross" and "forced diversity ruined Star Wars"

Lol

being friends with Dana White probably messes up your brain

credit where credit's due, rogan played a key role in destroying elon musk's career

i think his audience are mostly liberals or else vaguely apolitical libertarians.

The youtube viewers are all young white dudes on the alt-right pipeline (ala everything else on youtube)

Really?

all I use Youtube for is 70s albums and bootleg audiobooks and I still get Jordan Peterson videos in my Up Next

dylann otm

also i think politically his audience might be somewhat diverse, might skew male for sure but i think some people who might want to hear the interview w/ a mycologist or a neuroscientist from uc berkeley talking sleep might not be the same people who listen to the mma bullshit or the comedian interviews

dylann nailed it

I enjoy his show, particularly when he has comedians/his friends on. I like whenever they talk about a comedian's creative process at length - at once totally foreign to me, but as an artist, interesting and familiar and sometimes fascinating. he makes otherwise intolerable or uninteresting personalities interesting to me - Burr, Fitzsimmons, Segura, Papa, Christina P... I'd rather listen to a comedian talk about the process and just have a conversation rather than listening to or watching their act.

and because the show is so successful you get these amazing one-offs - Roseanne, Elon Musk, Alex Jones - where Rogan is in on the joke. the rightwing "intellectual" episodes are insufferable because as dylann said, Rogan defers to them. fawning over JP is one thing, but Dave Rubin? Seriously?

He's going to have Jack from Twitter on this Friday.

Awesome

The youtube viewers are all young white dudes on the alt-right pipeline (ala everything else on youtube)
Really?

― Trϵϵship, Monday, January 28, 2019 12:01 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all I use Youtube for is 70s albums and bootleg audiobooks and I still get Jordan Peterson videos in my Up Next

― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, January 28, 2019 12:09 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so i just realized i had these too in my up next. what the fuck

Some of it's really broad reasoning, I blocked an advertiser on Facebook or Instagram and under the reasons why I was seeing it was just 'men in the southern US' basically.

If Youtube/Google knows your demographic information, it just runs with the "males between 25-49 in the United States watch a ton of Jordan Peterson clips."

The youtube viewers are all young white dudes on the alt-right pipeline (ala everything else on youtube)

it's worth noting that even if you have no data/history for YouTube to scrape, it still suggests an entire platter of Joe Rogan videos right on the front page.

Lol Alex Jones said "Rogan IS the Deep State"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9p6jRHDZ0E

rogan and jones in happier times

god yes for all the whining about "liberal" algorithms you really cannot click a single one of these videos without getting flooded with "JOE ROGAN TAKES ON NEW GILLETTE COMMERIAL" or "BILL BURR DESTROYS FEMINISM IN 6 MINUTES!!!" for the next 2 months

credit where credit's due, rogan played a key role in destroying elon musk's career

― maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara)

elon musk played the most key role in destroying elon musk's career, he still sucks

and yeah i installed a dodgy russian chrome plugin just so i wouldn't have to see youtube recommending me jordan peterson and joe rogan videos, now everything i do on the internet is probably going directly to some russian oligarch or another but at this point i trust russian oligarchs more than i trust youtube's recommendation engine

If you ever click on anything but music or channels you subscribe to, go in and delete the videos from your Youtube history. That's kept me Rogan/feminazi destroyed-free for months now.

lmao if you didn't think Russian oligarchs could see all that anyway rusho

I purposefully reject every Jordan Peterson suggestion I get and yet they still keep coming. I click on "I don't like this" but it never stops

its called courtship, ums

i watched one bill burr video like 4 years ago and my suggestion algorithm is basically diarrhea now

haha yeah I think I watched a ton of Norm McDonald on talk show appearances and also watched a few Rogans after I started with Leia Remini breaking down the weird ass Scientology shit she went through (which was actually really interesting)

Surprised so many ppl are bothered by YouTube recommendations

YouTube has become a quiet powerhouse of political radicalization in recent years, powered by an algorithm that a former employee says suggests increasingly fringe content. And far-right YouTubers have learned to exploit that algorithm and land their videos high in the recommendations on less extreme videos.

Its weird how out in the open that is but still easy to overlook

More leftists should probably try to go on rogan. Seems like a pretty easy way to get your ideas out there.

He's had a few - Kyle Kulinski on a couple of times, Jimmy Dore and Tulsi Gabbard. I wonder if AOC might go on

Not that she exactly needs the platform or profile boost but its a guest-friendly format for sure

lol Dore and Gabbard's leftist credentials are uh questionable iirc

Kyle Kulinski on a couple of times, Jimmy Dore and Tulsi Gabbard

ignorant of kulinski but a pizza-gater and an anti-gay, clash of civilizations crusader are not a particularly good representation of "the left"

Bernie Sanders would be good on that show imo

So its a loose definition of left! I won't argue with that. Dore is a clown and Gabbard is massively questionable at best (though I didn't know she was anti-gay!) - I'm not suggesting the merits of these are good

though I do think Kulinski is actually very good

bernie for sure

more leftists shouldn't go on Rogan, Rogan should just stop having political guests and go back to workout magic and psychedelics

I can't stand the political "regulars" he has on (aka the intellectual dark web LOL), but one-offs where he's less credulous like Candace Owens are good imo because the format lends itself really well to showing how much of a fucking idiot some of these people are. everyone is used to the canned 7-10 minute talk show interview or radio appearance, and a freeform unstructured 2-3 hour conversation is completely different. I hate to use the "sunshine is the best disinfectant" cliche but in many cases it's been true - look at the effect his podcasts with Alex Jones and Elon Musk had on their respective careers.

I don't have anything against the idea of AOC or Sanders going on Rogan tbh

i watched one bill burr video like 4 years ago and my suggestion algorithm is basically diarrhea now

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will)

you got him confused with bill bonds too, eh?

Twitter Jack on Rogan

4.7K upvotes
28k downvotes

damn - dont know if the ratio is against rogan or jack though

doing a quick look at random other guests of all different types, and they're all the other way around

David Pakman on today apparently

Cornel West! only seen first half or so, good rapport

watched this Michael Brooks clip about the interview, only had positive things to say. stopped paying attention to Rogan's podcast whenever that IDW shit started. don't think he's a charlatan, just gullible.

Agree with that. He's definitely not a charlatan. There's legitimate criticism of fact he doesn't really kick back or challenge his right-wing grifters guests (tho he did with Rubin and Candace Owens, and effectively too). He has fixations on certain things (on campus free speech stuff), but his gullibility does have net effect of also giving his good guests room

bernie

lol @ all the dickriders saying this is how it shows Rogan is more transparent than mainstream media, by allowing himself to be corrected in real time (as opposed to actually fact-checking it before he ran with it in the first place)

"that's the thing about media these days, you gotta look into it"

amazing how the tone shifts from "someone needs to get him out of there" to "well he clearly misspoke" once it's revealed who it actually is