and i haven’t read the others. mcglue sounds .. more amenable? .. and certainly it is possible for writers of talent to produce bad books so i might give her another go. but this one just seems a spectacular series of own goals and self-owns
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 25 January 2019 02:39 (one year ago) link
McGlue is her worst one imo, Homesick & Eileen are the gems
― flappy bird, Friday, 25 January 2019 04:22 (one year ago) link
Eileen is at best OK, but why read it when you have the complete works of Patricia Highsmith doing it all so, so much better
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 25 January 2019 04:24 (one year ago) link
I think the really great short stories are so much about character that maybe they've gone deep enough along the way to earn a fairly simple ending. tbf I don't remember thinking the Mosfegh stories ended badly, though I'd have to reread. I did think one or two, particularly the final story in the collection, were really poor. But I think that's common with short story collections, it is rare for every story in a collection to be brilliant and they do tend to frontload them. I've read collections where the last two or three were so bad it almost ruined a brilliant beginning.
I think it's Flannery O'Connor's Good Country People about which she said something to the effect of not knowing the end until the second she wrote it, and then realising it couldn't end any other way. Even that feels a bit too focussed on the importance of plot to me but I still like the quote, and all her writing about writing.
― FernandoHierro, Friday, 25 January 2019 08:02 (one year ago) link
saying she’s a bad writer is crazy to me
― flopson, Friday, 25 January 2019 22:10 (one year ago) link
O'Connor's remarks about endings have been myblodesrsrs foryears
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 January 2019 22:17 (one year ago) link
this book makes me want to reread tao lin and a.m. homes and bits of lydia davis
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 26 January 2019 04:00 (one year ago) link
although now there’s a random mention of mao II and i am going, oh, yes, of course
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 26 January 2019 08:21 (one year ago) link
Ok I’ve got an example: the story Nothing Ever Happens Here. Last paragraph tries to put a spin on the events to that point but it’s not necessary. Why kill the mystery? The story should have ended with the old lady touching the dude’s face. Maybe OM just needs an editor.
― calstars, Saturday, 26 January 2019 14:14 (one year ago) link
eileen was chronic
― ||||||||, Saturday, 26 January 2019 20:42 (one year ago) link
is patricia highsmith really as raunchy and grotesque as Eileen, james?
― flopson, Saturday, 26 January 2019 22:09 (one year ago) link
― just sayin, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 08:40 (one year ago) link
Not content to EGOT, Whoopi Goldberg is setting her sights on the fashion industry. Novelist Ottessa Moshfegh, her biggest fan, pays her a visit.
― just sayin, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 08:41 (one year ago) link
The last quarter of Eileen is so dumb, ridiculous and cliched. I feel like I’ve been cheated out of hours of my life getting this far.
― calstars, Saturday, 16 February 2019 03:31 (one year ago) link
every time this thread gets bumped im like well looks like me and flappy are the only 2 ppl on this entire site who don’t hate this writer lol
― flopson, Saturday, 16 February 2019 04:57 (one year ago) link
Going to read Eileen so I can say it's bad itt
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 16 February 2019 07:30 (one year ago) link
time honoured ilx tradition
― ||||||||, Saturday, 16 February 2019 07:47 (one year ago) link
Also she has a bad take on Whoopi in TNG
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 16 February 2019 22:30 (one year ago) link
lol some other people like her I think
calstars maybe you'd like McGlue, can't remember if you already read it. pretty different from the rest of her stuff and my least favorite, I feel like if you don't dig Eileen or the stories you might like McGlue.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 February 2019 22:32 (one year ago) link
Thanks flappy, I just started Year and will check out mcGlue after that. I like her a lot, just get frustrated with her
― calstars, Saturday, 16 February 2019 23:59 (one year ago) link
Whenever she appeared on-screen, I sensed she was laughing at the whole production. Her presence made the show completely absurd. That was true of all her movies, too.
Kind of a strange compliment to give an actor. Apparently Whoopi is chill about it though.
― o. nate, Sunday, 17 February 2019 03:04 (one year ago) link
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 17 February 2019 03:06 (one year ago) link
Guinan is a totally earnest performance and whoopi approached the producers about appearing on the show as a fan of the original Star Trek (the part was then written for her)
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 17 February 2019 03:11 (one year ago) link
I liked Eileen! The whoopi and Harrison ford stuff in the new one felt like some sub-American psycho shit
― gray say nah to me (wins), Sunday, 17 February 2019 08:10 (one year ago) link
Yeah. Not to mention that Trevor seems to be based on P Bateman or maybe since it’s set 15 years after A Psycho, that character might be modeling his personality on the book / movie. The scenes with him in it with the main character read like rosencrantz and guildenstern style perspective shifts of scenes that could be A Psycho outtakes.
― calstars, Sunday, 17 February 2019 23:41 (one year ago) link
read the first two stories in the collection. (i know -- not enough to form an impression -- but still, form one i did.)
she is an extremely talented humorist. both "bettering myself" and "mr. wu" are kind of like, elaborate and fucked up jokes. "bettering myself" is less depressing because the narrator, who is the butt of the joke, is also in on the joke.
the characters are profoundly alienated and misanthropic. their lives feel like a kind of purgatory. probably more than half of all contemporary literary fiction seems to feature characters like this, which seems notable.
the ending of "mr wu" is brilliant, deranged and masterfully crafted. but i'm not sure what i'm supposed to make of that story or that character. i also wonder if anyone found that story racist.
― treeship., Monday, 13 January 2020 04:07 (one month ago) link
Ottessa Moshfegh’s My Year of Rest and Relaxation is to be made into a movie by none other than Yorgos Lanthimos. Name a more iconic duo. H U G E !— Louise Benson (@benson_louise) January 6, 2020
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 23:40 (three weeks ago) link