My lesson from S2 was that Vince Vaughan is a terrible fucking actor when he's not doing comedy.
The primary appeal of season 1 (for me) was watching two famous-ass charismatic movie stars being fun as hell to watch. So I didn't mind so much that the story puttered at the end because the focus was still on Woody and Matt being fucking weird and fun. I rewatched the famous long take scene recently and couldn't figure what the fuss was about.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:52 (five years ago) link
(Which is to say, S2's big problem wasn't the dumb convoluted story but the boring leads. Even Rachel McAdams was a misfire.)
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:54 (five years ago) link
the entire season one shtick where Harrelson is a cheater gets really close to derailing into the "HBO means we can be graphic" trap when he ends up hooking up with the woman he helped out as a child
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:55 (five years ago) link
I think that understates the terrible/insane choices made at every level of production on Season 2, Chuck
I mean 50% of the dialogue is not of this earth
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:11 (five years ago) link
I've come around on Colin Farrell and he could've been great but yeah he had *nothing* to work with
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:12 (five years ago) link
Colin Farrell is a good actor. I forgot he was even in season 2.
― akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:16 (five years ago) link
Oh god, you're right, I forgot about Colin Farrell's school bully subplot. He did his best in th circumstances. They should've just had Danny mcbride in the role.
To me Farrell seems like a charismatic actor who's never well cast. Fright Night's the only thing that sticks out that I can recall.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:03 (five years ago) link
fiend for mojitos
― j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:05 (five years ago) link
iirc
otm
I guess his personal life went off the rails at some point and it’s been a rocky comeback for his career
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:14 (five years ago) link
he's great in the Lobster
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:17 (five years ago) link
and he was good in the Killing of a Sacred Deer too, altho that film on the whole left me cold
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:18 (five years ago) link
in bruges
― j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:21 (five years ago) link
biting my tongue in re-ligitating season 1's ending and "adolescent philosophizing" but time is a flat circle, etc.
I like this a lot still too...episode 3 felt like place setting, and overall the whole thing feels like it's still in the wind-up...but there's a problem with the central case itself not being that interesting just yet. Assuming many shoes are left to drop.
― ryan, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:33 (five years ago) link
Number None OTM season 2 was really obviously a first draft rushed into production. Farrell in particular did tremendous work trying to make something of what he was given.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:34 (five years ago) link
I'd like to re-watch season 2 again someday...there was something profoundly alienating about it but I couldn't look away.
― ryan, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:35 (five years ago) link
Some sort of Mickey Newbury thing going on with the closing credits huh
― Heez, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 04:03 (five years ago) link
I couldn't make it to the half of the first ep of s2... and I loved s1 (with some reserve regarding the ending, obviously) !I don't know why but I'm not remotely interested in s3.
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 11:45 (five years ago) link
I enjoyed the supernatural hints in S1 so was happy to spot an AD&D manual in the missing boy's room called The Forests of Leng in ep2 of this season. I'm reserving judgement but it certainly is less boring and tortured than the first few eps of S2 that I managed to get through.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 11:52 (five years ago) link
I want more investigation and less soap opera in general, except if the latter involves Ali’s wife, who is gorgeous
― calstars, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 14:25 (five years ago) link
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:16 (five years ago) link
And what about the creepy uncle who bored that hole in the closet to watch his sister bang?
― calstars, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:01 (five years ago) link
yea that is def gonna factor in somehow imo
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:12 (five years ago) link
"except if the latter involves Ali’s wife, who is gorgeous" OMG yes.
― akm, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link
also, clearly, Ali's character fucked something up. Was he removed from him job before 1990? He's still a cop but clearly was no longer a detective and it seems like there was possibly some suspected malfeasance on his part?
― akm, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:48 (five years ago) link
my guess is the native guy who drives around on the go kart gets made a patsy for the killing and ali's character goes rogue looking for the real guilty party
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:49 (five years ago) link
in 1990.
in 1980 maybe he misses something big, screws up in some way
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link
sorry that's garbled and the timeline makes no sense. i think he both will screw up and go rogue. but since in 1990 the case has been reopened he wouldn't be going rogue looking for the real killer
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:51 (five years ago) link
but somehow he gets kicked off the force in 1990.
my guess is the native guy who drives around on the go kart gets made a patsy for the killing and ali's character goes rogue looking for the real guilty party― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:49 (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:49 (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haven't they already said it's legrange who was put in prison for it first time around? i've only watched the first two episodes. finding it a bit hard going but ali, and yes, wife, are keeping me in there. the balance of mystical or spiritual paranoia and political corruption paranoia was very powerful in the first series (apart from the last three episodes which were just... what a waste). i'm not getting it at the moment in 3 - it's feeling a bit leaden, though again there's a very good feeling for place being complicit in the events.
Haven't watched any of two, were it not for its reputation it would be *extremely* appealing, as LA through mystical paranoia and complicity of place feels A+ for LA, so it's a shame that they ballsed it up. I'm going to read City of Quartz in a few weeks' time and might come back to it then.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link
was happy to spot an AD&D manual in the missing boy's room called The Forests of Leng in ep2 of this season
between this and Dorff hassling the kid over his black sabbath shirt and "1980" all of this is screaming "satanic panic" at me
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:32 (five years ago) link
also the discovery of the dice in the woods
― mh, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:34 (five years ago) link
ah fuck i forgot that
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:55 (five years ago) link
Ali's character mentions in the latest episode that some folks started to believe D&D was corrupting kids, but he says it in an offhand manner that suggests he or the other cops didn't really buy that.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:45 (five years ago) link
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:53 (five years ago) link
But yeah, based on what Dorff says when being interviewed in this week's episode, seems like Ali and the DA guy had some falling off that lead to him being demoted. So maybe the DA believed in the Satanic theory while he didn't?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:55 (five years ago) link
The implication is that the DA is already (in the 1980s timeline) wrecking parts of the investigation and all indications are that he's going to force them down a road. Probably one that forces them to a particular non-suspect and forces a quick resolution, meaning they won't have the resources to investigate leads like the brown car.
― mh, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:07 (five years ago) link
I don’t buy the satanic angle. Sabbath t shirts and D&D stuff was pretty common during that time
― calstars, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 23:47 (five years ago) link
so was satanic panic linked to it tho! especially by moral right wing crusaders.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 24 January 2019 06:48 (five years ago) link
Yes, that was a huge contributing factor in the West Memphis Three case.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 24 January 2019 07:43 (five years ago) link
Partial challop drop (No thread derail please) : those docs on wm3 are very tendentious and lots of what is presented as fact in them is false.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 24 January 2019 08:31 (five years ago) link
noted, jim.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 24 January 2019 09:14 (five years ago) link
Otoh prejudice and satanic panic was what lead echolls to be questioned in the first place so it would be disingenuous to say satanic panic played no role in the case
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 24 January 2019 09:25 (five years ago) link
really doubt they'd be so dumb as to misfire in this way but I had a fleeting moment of worry thinking "oh no, what if Pizzolatto thought it'd be edgy to do a satanic panic plot... but it's all true"
― mh, Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:06 (five years ago) link
well either he's bluffing or...
People have noted the comparison to the West Memphis 3 “Satanic panic” case, how of much of that is an inspiration if any?Not at all. You’re moved off that pretty quickly. It’s really not informed by that.
Not at all. You’re moved off that pretty quickly. It’s really not informed by that.
― Number None, Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:12 (five years ago) link
good
― calumy (rip van wanko), Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:00 (five years ago) link
the dialogue in this show is very bad.
the first date scene in the latest episode was a case in point.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 20:30 (five years ago) link
yeah lots of cringeworthy dialog in that episode unfortunately
― Heez, Monday, 28 January 2019 20:54 (five years ago) link
- so you're a catholic, eh- yeah. you?- baptist- I knew a baptist guy in vietnam- oh yeah, what happened to him?**stares out window and quietly makes a gun shot sound**
― Heez, Monday, 28 January 2019 20:57 (five years ago) link
hahaha
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:03 (five years ago) link
There were some shots of Hays (both younger and older) on the street at night that I thought might have been meant to evoke the opening scene of Get Out.
http://phildellio.tripod.com/ali.jpg
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 13:35 (five years ago) link
(The pink room was left intact for 20 or 30 years? Really? I would think Mr. June might have gotten in there and destroyed it.)
The room was in Edward Hoyt's mansion, and we don't know when exactly died, but West does mention his estate, so presumably the death was fairly recent, and the mansion hasn't been sold yet. So Mr. June probably didn't have the chance to destroy it. But yeah, it doesn't make much sense Hoyt would keep it intact, given that it ties him to well-known crime. Maybe he felt it was a memento of her dead daughter?
― Tuomas, Monday, 11 March 2019 14:41 (five years ago) link
my assumption was that after his death, he left no clear instructions for anyone to deal with the room. June might have just assumed it was someone else's problem, or that it wasn't worth the trouble?
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:52 (five years ago) link
June also subconsciously (well, consciously) wanted to be punished for his crimes, so there's a possibility he wanted it to lead back to him/the Hoyt family.
― Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:55 (five years ago) link
it's possible the estate would be wrapped up in legal crap for years and everyone would be dead by the time someone found a secret room in the basement of a sprawling mansion
kind of fits with the series theme of buildings in disrepair sitting empty for decades
― mh, Monday, 11 March 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link
Yeah, those are all plausible explanations--especially the idea of wanting to be caught.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link
Didn't know Michael Rooker would show up, recognized him almost immediately (but took a few seconds to place him--I was thinking, "JFK, JFK..."). Solid actor.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 15:10 (five years ago) link
Michael Rooker fits so well in the world of TD. I'm rooting for him to be one of the leads in the next season, or at least a Dorff-level supporting character.
― Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2019 15:17 (five years ago) link
this was rather lovely.
mr june exposition scene was painful af but allowed the last episode to focus on the relationship and a happy ending, which i was fine with
dorff character is gay for sure but im glad they left it unsaid
plot meh characters good performances good looked great more like this
― ~mine own~ bitcoin (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 March 2019 00:56 (five years ago) link
really liked this, pl complaining about the dialogue are taking themselves too seriously imho, s3 > s1 > s2
― Simon H., Friday, 9 August 2019 12:51 (four years ago) link
I just watched this and, after the debacle of S2, enjoyed it very much. It did fade away slightly in the final act but the setup was strong enough that it didn't matter. The two leads were brilliant - especially Dorff - and I'd have happily watched Carmen Ejogo all day. Ejogo fact: she was married to Tricky. For less than a year.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 6 July 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link