TRUE DETECTIVE season 3

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I like a good police procedural, and if this is a solid police procedural with good plotting and solid acting that is well-shot, I'm in. If it rehashes or reuses some of the things from the first season, I'm good with that, too. I suspect that any perceived connections at this point are red herrings, though.

Hays is a certified badass, isn't he?

TrumpPence a Bag (B.L.A.M.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:36 (eight months ago) link

^

Ali is good and the show is probably worth watching for that alone

calstars, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 03:37 (eight months ago) link

this year is great. so far possibly surpasses season 1 IMO.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:28 (seven months ago) link

loving it. it's like --man brushes teeth /OMINOUS MUSIC PLAY IN BACKGROUND/ but it works

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:32 (seven months ago) link

i didn't even recognize the sober father at first. dude looks like he lost a ton of weight between the timelines; but I think it was just a shave and a haircut.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:35 (seven months ago) link

scoot mcnairy very underrated in general imo

that might be my love of the last couple seasons of "halt and catch fire" talking

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:39 (seven months ago) link

its ok, not a patch on season 1

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:21 (seven months ago) link

not sure. I have a feeling that this story will resolve in a more satisfying way than season 1. there's still time for it to go tits up I suppose.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:25 (seven months ago) link

I've enjoyed this season so far too, seems like they've managed to refine what was good about the first season (the interplay between different time periods, the complex relationship between the two cops) while omitting the stuff that didn't really work, like the adolescent nihilist philosophising or the horror-flavoured hints that ultimately amounted to nothing. I also like how they avoid season 1's misstep of making the women insignificant by having the main female character have an interest of her own in the case, thus giving her proper agency.

So I'm hoping with this season TD finally lives up to promise of the first handful of episodes of season, before it fell flat. (I never watched season 2 because I was so disappointed how season 1 concluded, but based on what I've heard I guess I didn't miss much?)

Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:27 (seven months ago) link

oh I wouldn't put it that way exactly lol

Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:29 (seven months ago) link

there was a lot going on in season 2

perhaps too much

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:30 (seven months ago) link

"time is a flat circle" and the yellow king and "making flowers" were why people watched s1. they are not "what didn't work"

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:35 (seven months ago) link

They are what lured people in, but ultimately they were also what made the first season disappointing, cos they turned out to nothing superficial texture and nothing more. So far this season has been quite enjoyable without stuff like that.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:38 (seven months ago) link

the very end was a little too rote gross family/incest/texas chainsaw massacre for sure

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:40 (seven months ago) link

I think s1 could have made good on all those creepy promises. that ending/finale was one of the all time TV letdowns

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:53 (seven months ago) link

yeah all those gret things about season 1, in the end, didn't amount to jack shit from what I recall.

Season 2: had two great scenes, one was at that house (sex party? brothel? can't remember) and the other was watching fucking Vince Vaughn bleed to death in the desert (just wish fulfillment for me) and the rest of it was .... I can't remember a single thing. Bird heads that meant nothing.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:34 (seven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vF8GVXj9jw&

Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:39 (seven months ago) link

that entire subplot w/Velcoro recording notes to his son was... something

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:45 (seven months ago) link

My lesson from S2 was that Vince Vaughan is a terrible fucking actor when he's not doing comedy.

The primary appeal of season 1 (for me) was watching two famous-ass charismatic movie stars being fun as hell to watch. So I didn't mind so much that the story puttered at the end because the focus was still on Woody and Matt being fucking weird and fun. I rewatched the famous long take scene recently and couldn't figure what the fuss was about.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:52 (seven months ago) link

(Which is to say, S2's big problem wasn't the dumb convoluted story but the boring leads. Even Rachel McAdams was a misfire.)

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:54 (seven months ago) link

the entire season one shtick where Harrelson is a cheater gets really close to derailing into the "HBO means we can be graphic" trap when he ends up hooking up with the woman he helped out as a child

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:55 (seven months ago) link

I think that understates the terrible/insane choices made at every level of production on Season 2, Chuck

I mean 50% of the dialogue is not of this earth

Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:11 (seven months ago) link

I've come around on Colin Farrell and he could've been great but yeah he had *nothing* to work with

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:12 (seven months ago) link

Colin Farrell is a good actor. I forgot he was even in season 2.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:16 (seven months ago) link

Oh god, you're right, I forgot about Colin Farrell's school bully subplot. He did his best in th circumstances. They should've just had Danny mcbride in the role.

To me Farrell seems like a charismatic actor who's never well cast. Fright Night's the only thing that sticks out that I can recall.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:03 (seven months ago) link

fiend for mojitos

j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:05 (seven months ago) link

iirc

j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:05 (seven months ago) link

otm

I guess his personal life went off the rails at some point and it’s been a rocky comeback for his career

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:14 (seven months ago) link

he's great in the Lobster

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:17 (seven months ago) link

and he was good in the Killing of a Sacred Deer too, altho that film on the whole left me cold

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:18 (seven months ago) link

in bruges

j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:21 (seven months ago) link

biting my tongue in re-ligitating season 1's ending and "adolescent philosophizing" but time is a flat circle, etc.

I like this a lot still too...episode 3 felt like place setting, and overall the whole thing feels like it's still in the wind-up...but there's a problem with the central case itself not being that interesting just yet. Assuming many shoes are left to drop.

ryan, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:33 (seven months ago) link

Number None OTM season 2 was really obviously a first draft rushed into production. Farrell in particular did tremendous work trying to make something of what he was given.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:34 (seven months ago) link

I'd like to re-watch season 2 again someday...there was something profoundly alienating about it but I couldn't look away.

ryan, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:35 (seven months ago) link

Some sort of Mickey Newbury thing going on with the closing credits huh

Heez, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 04:03 (seven months ago) link

I couldn't make it to the half of the first ep of s2... and I loved s1 (with some reserve regarding the ending, obviously) !
I don't know why but I'm not remotely interested in s3.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 11:45 (seven months ago) link

I enjoyed the supernatural hints in S1 so was happy to spot an AD&D manual in the missing boy's room called The Forests of Leng in ep2 of this season. I'm reserving judgement but it certainly is less boring and tortured than the first few eps of S2 that I managed to get through.

Neil S, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 11:52 (seven months ago) link

I want more investigation and less soap opera in general, except if the latter involves Ali’s wife, who is gorgeous

calstars, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 14:25 (seven months ago) link

I like this a lot still too...episode 3 felt like place setting, and overall the whole thing feels like it's still in the wind-up...but there's a problem with the central case itself not being that interesting just yet. Assuming many shoes are left to drop.
Based on the hints in this episode it certainly seems there's more going on than just random child murder, what with the talk of some unknown couple having stalked the kids way before they disappeared. Also, we found out that the girl's fate still remains a mystery in 2015, so presumably we're gonna see some investigating in that setting too.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:16 (seven months ago) link

And what about the creepy uncle who bored that hole in the closet to watch his sister bang?

calstars, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:01 (seven months ago) link

yea that is def gonna factor in somehow imo

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:12 (seven months ago) link

"except if the latter involves Ali’s wife, who is gorgeous" OMG yes.

akm, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:47 (seven months ago) link

also, clearly, Ali's character fucked something up. Was he removed from him job before 1990? He's still a cop but clearly was no longer a detective and it seems like there was possibly some suspected malfeasance on his part?

akm, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:48 (seven months ago) link

my guess is the native guy who drives around on the go kart gets made a patsy for the killing and ali's character goes rogue looking for the real guilty party

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:49 (seven months ago) link

in 1990.

in 1980 maybe he misses something big, screws up in some way

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:50 (seven months ago) link

sorry that's garbled and the timeline makes no sense. i think he both will screw up and go rogue. but since in 1990 the case has been reopened he wouldn't be going rogue looking for the real killer

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:51 (seven months ago) link

but somehow he gets kicked off the force in 1990.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:51 (seven months ago) link

my guess is the native guy who drives around on the go kart gets made a patsy for the killing and ali's character goes rogue looking for the real guilty party

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:49 (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haven't they already said it's legrange who was put in prison for it first time around? i've only watched the first two episodes. finding it a bit hard going but ali, and yes, wife, are keeping me in there. the balance of mystical or spiritual paranoia and political corruption paranoia was very powerful in the first series (apart from the last three episodes which were just... what a waste). i'm not getting it at the moment in 3 - it's feeling a bit leaden, though again there's a very good feeling for place being complicit in the events.

Haven't watched any of two, were it not for its reputation it would be *extremely* appealing, as LA through mystical paranoia and complicity of place feels A+ for LA, so it's a shame that they ballsed it up. I'm going to read City of Quartz in a few weeks' time and might come back to it then.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:14 (seven months ago) link

was happy to spot an AD&D manual in the missing boy's room called The Forests of Leng in ep2 of this season

between this and Dorff hassling the kid over his black sabbath shirt and "1980" all of this is screaming "satanic panic" at me

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:32 (seven months ago) link

otm

also the discovery of the dice in the woods

mh, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:34 (seven months ago) link

I really liked Dorff in this!

mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:43 (six months ago) link

I liked the dynamic between the two leads but this was a slog, overall, compared to the precious two seasons. Too much relationship/feelings bla bla and not enough creepy Murrica pulpy stuff.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:55 (six months ago) link

*previous not "precious"

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:55 (six months ago) link

Carmen Ejogo is probably great, but her american accent got to me in this.

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 17:30 (six months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/7Jbpy6H.jpg

lol

Number None, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 21:51 (six months ago) link

we are the true detectives!

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:04 (six months ago) link

wayne and becca had differing opinions about which song should be removed from sgt pepper's to make the album better. amelia was always a ghost. hoping they're deleted scenes on the DVD. but that's the answer.

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:09 (six months ago) link

someone could make fake pizzolatto comments and it’d be the same

mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:13 (six months ago) link

Pizzalatte maybe needs to stfu imho. Put it up on the fucken screen and then step away, good sir.

This finale was very Return of the King/A.I. in its 'oh guess that's the end...whoops no here's the actual ending I suppose...oh wait it appears that another ending is manifesting as I speak'-ness.

Choose Your Own Disaster (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:21 (six months ago) link

I mean he put pretty much everything on screen in that finale. Could have done with stepping away a bit earlier

Number None, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:27 (six months ago) link

I was insanely tired when I watched so I didn't backtrack -- was the woman with the child the same as the woman in the pictures the nun was showing the detectives?

mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:47 (six months ago) link

either way, I thought the implication was that her story was better left ended

and Hays "solving the case" by actually finding her was the resolution he wasn't going to get -- he gets there, but his memory fails, so he's out there forever stuck on a mission. literally, back in the jungle

mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:50 (six months ago) link

honestly can't tell if pizzolatto's trolling there but he doesn't seem the type

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 23:48 (six months ago) link

if these are the things he originally felt the show needed or clarifications that have had, we should be congratulating the editors

mh, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 02:20 (six months ago) link

Mh—- uh, yes. She is The missing girl

A twin peaks fb group
Posted some of ghost Amelia’s speech with the image of Cooper at Laura-not-Laura’s door from the finale and I thought it was an interesting parallel:

What if there's another story?
What if something went unbroken?
All this life, all this loss, what if it was really one long story that just kept going and going until it healed itself?

(From True Detective Season 3)

akm, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 06:51 (six months ago) link

i thought this ended well...i nearly bailed after the milch ep, the season lowpoint imo, but it picked up after that; still, i found the tone overall a lil too staid/lifeless, & despite some of the flaws of s1, i much preferred that season

johnny crunch, Friday, 8 March 2019 16:11 (six months ago) link

yeah i know what you mean--it's the difference between Fukunaga and the rotating cast of directors for this season. Fukunaga managed to inject a bit of supernatural horror into the overall atmosphere that was missing here. S3 was more a straight-ahead mystery/crime story, albeit with weird chronology

Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Friday, 8 March 2019 23:01 (six months ago) link

Halfway through, liking it fine. Definitely more than 2, and within range at least of 1. Very convincing aging job on the three Ali's. He's great as always (although, as seems to be standard with this show, maybe a little too grim and monosyllabic--but they at least let him lighten up when courting Carmen Ejogo), Dorff is surprisingly good, Ejogo better yet. Deft handling of race--not the focus but there.

clemenza, Sunday, 10 March 2019 14:53 (six months ago) link

Found the resolution to the Purcell story a little far-fetched, to say the least. (The pink room was left intact for 20 or 30 years? Really? I would think Mr. June might have gotten in there and destroyed it.) As someone points out above, though, that's just one part among many, and overall I found it all pretty absorbing. Not sure if would hold up to a second viewing, as the first season did for me.

clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 03:31 (six months ago) link

There were some shots of Hays (both younger and older) on the street at night that I thought might have been meant to evoke the opening scene of Get Out.

http://phildellio.tripod.com/ali.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 13:35 (six months ago) link

(The pink room was left intact for 20 or 30 years? Really? I would think Mr. June might have gotten in there and destroyed it.)

The room was in Edward Hoyt's mansion, and we don't know when exactly died, but West does mention his estate, so presumably the death was fairly recent, and the mansion hasn't been sold yet. So Mr. June probably didn't have the chance to destroy it. But yeah, it doesn't make much sense Hoyt would keep it intact, given that it ties him to well-known crime. Maybe he felt it was a memento of her dead daughter?

Tuomas, Monday, 11 March 2019 14:41 (six months ago) link

my assumption was that after his death, he left no clear instructions for anyone to deal with the room. June might have just assumed it was someone else's problem, or that it wasn't worth the trouble?

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:52 (six months ago) link

June also subconsciously (well, consciously) wanted to be punished for his crimes, so there's a possibility he wanted it to lead back to him/the Hoyt family.

Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:55 (six months ago) link

it's possible the estate would be wrapped up in legal crap for years and everyone would be dead by the time someone found a secret room in the basement of a sprawling mansion

kind of fits with the series theme of buildings in disrepair sitting empty for decades

mh, Monday, 11 March 2019 14:58 (six months ago) link

Yeah, those are all plausible explanations--especially the idea of wanting to be caught.

clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 15:08 (six months ago) link

Didn't know Michael Rooker would show up, recognized him almost immediately (but took a few seconds to place him--I was thinking, "JFK, JFK..."). Solid actor.

clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 15:10 (six months ago) link

Michael Rooker fits so well in the world of TD. I'm rooting for him to be one of the leads in the next season, or at least a Dorff-level supporting character.

Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2019 15:17 (six months ago) link

this was rather lovely.

mr june exposition scene was painful af but allowed the last episode to focus on the relationship and a happy ending, which i was fine with

dorff character is gay for sure but im glad they left it unsaid

plot meh characters good performances good looked great more like this

~mine own~ bitcoin (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 March 2019 00:56 (six months ago) link

four months pass...

really liked this, pl complaining about the dialogue are taking themselves too seriously imho, s3 > s1 > s2

Simon H., Friday, 9 August 2019 12:51 (one month ago) link


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