It's a good line.
― ryan, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
Is this a recommendation, then? Too much actual family dementia has made me leery of seeing it in my entertainments. But I loved Ali in Moonlight (the only thing I loved in Moonlight) and want to see more.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:10 (five years ago) link
If it's worth it, more than happy to pretend S2 never happened.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
almost too early to say, chuck, re your leeriness. imo.
“You ever been some place you couldn’t leave and you couldn’t stay?”
def reminded me of the depths of my worst depression episodes (before seeking treatment). (tmi.)
― andrew m., Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:03 (five years ago) link
I guess there's some sense that this is gonna also intersect in some way with Season 1? Intriguing.
who is the true pig bodine???
― j., Tuesday, 15 January 2019 23:50 (five years ago) link
I like a good police procedural, and if this is a solid police procedural with good plotting and solid acting that is well-shot, I'm in. If it rehashes or reuses some of the things from the first season, I'm good with that, too. I suspect that any perceived connections at this point are red herrings, though.
Hays is a certified badass, isn't he?
― TrumpPence a Bag (B.L.A.M.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:36 (five years ago) link
^Ali is good and the show is probably worth watching for that alone
― calstars, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 03:37 (five years ago) link
this year is great. so far possibly surpasses season 1 IMO.
― akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:28 (five years ago) link
loving it. it's like --man brushes teeth /OMINOUS MUSIC PLAY IN BACKGROUND/ but it works
― calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:32 (five years ago) link
i didn't even recognize the sober father at first. dude looks like he lost a ton of weight between the timelines; but I think it was just a shave and a haircut.
― akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:35 (five years ago) link
scoot mcnairy very underrated in general imo
that might be my love of the last couple seasons of "halt and catch fire" talking
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:39 (five years ago) link
its ok, not a patch on season 1
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:21 (five years ago) link
not sure. I have a feeling that this story will resolve in a more satisfying way than season 1. there's still time for it to go tits up I suppose.
― akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:25 (five years ago) link
I've enjoyed this season so far too, seems like they've managed to refine what was good about the first season (the interplay between different time periods, the complex relationship between the two cops) while omitting the stuff that didn't really work, like the adolescent nihilist philosophising or the horror-flavoured hints that ultimately amounted to nothing. I also like how they avoid season 1's misstep of making the women insignificant by having the main female character have an interest of her own in the case, thus giving her proper agency.So I'm hoping with this season TD finally lives up to promise of the first handful of episodes of season, before it fell flat. (I never watched season 2 because I was so disappointed how season 1 concluded, but based on what I've heard I guess I didn't miss much?)
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:27 (five years ago) link
oh I wouldn't put it that way exactly lol
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:29 (five years ago) link
there was a lot going on in season 2
perhaps too much
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:30 (five years ago) link
"time is a flat circle" and the yellow king and "making flowers" were why people watched s1. they are not "what didn't work"
― calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:35 (five years ago) link
They are what lured people in, but ultimately they were also what made the first season disappointing, cos they turned out to nothing superficial texture and nothing more. So far this season has been quite enjoyable without stuff like that.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:38 (five years ago) link
the very end was a little too rote gross family/incest/texas chainsaw massacre for sure
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:40 (five years ago) link
I think s1 could have made good on all those creepy promises. that ending/finale was one of the all time TV letdowns
― calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:53 (five years ago) link
yeah all those gret things about season 1, in the end, didn't amount to jack shit from what I recall.
Season 2: had two great scenes, one was at that house (sex party? brothel? can't remember) and the other was watching fucking Vince Vaughn bleed to death in the desert (just wish fulfillment for me) and the rest of it was .... I can't remember a single thing. Bird heads that meant nothing.
― akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:34 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vF8GVXj9jw&
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:39 (five years ago) link
that entire subplot w/Velcoro recording notes to his son was... something
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:45 (five years ago) link
My lesson from S2 was that Vince Vaughan is a terrible fucking actor when he's not doing comedy.
The primary appeal of season 1 (for me) was watching two famous-ass charismatic movie stars being fun as hell to watch. So I didn't mind so much that the story puttered at the end because the focus was still on Woody and Matt being fucking weird and fun. I rewatched the famous long take scene recently and couldn't figure what the fuss was about.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:52 (five years ago) link
(Which is to say, S2's big problem wasn't the dumb convoluted story but the boring leads. Even Rachel McAdams was a misfire.)
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:54 (five years ago) link
the entire season one shtick where Harrelson is a cheater gets really close to derailing into the "HBO means we can be graphic" trap when he ends up hooking up with the woman he helped out as a child
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:55 (five years ago) link
I think that understates the terrible/insane choices made at every level of production on Season 2, Chuck
I mean 50% of the dialogue is not of this earth
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:11 (five years ago) link
I've come around on Colin Farrell and he could've been great but yeah he had *nothing* to work with
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:12 (five years ago) link
Colin Farrell is a good actor. I forgot he was even in season 2.
― akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:16 (five years ago) link
Oh god, you're right, I forgot about Colin Farrell's school bully subplot. He did his best in th circumstances. They should've just had Danny mcbride in the role.
To me Farrell seems like a charismatic actor who's never well cast. Fright Night's the only thing that sticks out that I can recall.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:03 (five years ago) link
fiend for mojitos
― j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:05 (five years ago) link
iirc
otm
I guess his personal life went off the rails at some point and it’s been a rocky comeback for his career
― mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:14 (five years ago) link
he's great in the Lobster
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:17 (five years ago) link
and he was good in the Killing of a Sacred Deer too, altho that film on the whole left me cold
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:18 (five years ago) link
in bruges
― j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:21 (five years ago) link
biting my tongue in re-ligitating season 1's ending and "adolescent philosophizing" but time is a flat circle, etc.
I like this a lot still too...episode 3 felt like place setting, and overall the whole thing feels like it's still in the wind-up...but there's a problem with the central case itself not being that interesting just yet. Assuming many shoes are left to drop.
― ryan, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:33 (five years ago) link
Number None OTM season 2 was really obviously a first draft rushed into production. Farrell in particular did tremendous work trying to make something of what he was given.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:34 (five years ago) link
I'd like to re-watch season 2 again someday...there was something profoundly alienating about it but I couldn't look away.
― ryan, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:35 (five years ago) link
Some sort of Mickey Newbury thing going on with the closing credits huh
― Heez, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 04:03 (five years ago) link
I couldn't make it to the half of the first ep of s2... and I loved s1 (with some reserve regarding the ending, obviously) !I don't know why but I'm not remotely interested in s3.
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 11:45 (five years ago) link
I enjoyed the supernatural hints in S1 so was happy to spot an AD&D manual in the missing boy's room called The Forests of Leng in ep2 of this season. I'm reserving judgement but it certainly is less boring and tortured than the first few eps of S2 that I managed to get through.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 11:52 (five years ago) link
I want more investigation and less soap opera in general, except if the latter involves Ali’s wife, who is gorgeous
― calstars, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 14:25 (five years ago) link
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:16 (five years ago) link
And what about the creepy uncle who bored that hole in the closet to watch his sister bang?
― calstars, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:01 (five years ago) link
yea that is def gonna factor in somehow imo
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:12 (five years ago) link
"except if the latter involves Ali’s wife, who is gorgeous" OMG yes.
― akm, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link
also, clearly, Ali's character fucked something up. Was he removed from him job before 1990? He's still a cop but clearly was no longer a detective and it seems like there was possibly some suspected malfeasance on his part?
― akm, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:48 (five years ago) link
my guess is the native guy who drives around on the go kart gets made a patsy for the killing and ali's character goes rogue looking for the real guilty party
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:49 (five years ago) link
in 1990.
in 1980 maybe he misses something big, screws up in some way
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link
That last shot was sort of mystifying. Initially, it felt pretty dark, but current feeling is that it's more compassionate: it represents the way trauma works...it will stay with him, it was *always* there, and that this doesn't make moving forward into the future possible. Or something. There's something important about how his "forgetting" Julie allows his own daughter to return into the picture.
Enjoyed this season (maybe the first half of it a bit more than the second), and hoping there's more.
― ryan, Monday, 25 February 2019 21:21 (five years ago) link
Guys he’s in a *metaphorical* jungle, y’see?
― 29 facepalms, Monday, 25 February 2019 21:41 (five years ago) link
ya, i think a 4th season is in the works.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 February 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link
that shot in the car where they were different ages and shit was truly horrible. so fuckin corny.
dorff was definitely the true detective in this one, ali spent the whole time acting real hard and those endless conversations with the wife were brutal. stoked for the stephen dorff renaissance
― adam, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:16 (five years ago) link
I really liked Dorff in this!
― mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
I liked the dynamic between the two leads but this was a slog, overall, compared to the precious two seasons. Too much relationship/feelings bla bla and not enough creepy Murrica pulpy stuff.
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:55 (five years ago) link
*previous not "precious"
Carmen Ejogo is probably great, but her american accent got to me in this.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/7Jbpy6H.jpg
lol
― Number None, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 21:51 (five years ago) link
we are the true detectives!
― calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:04 (five years ago) link
wayne and becca had differing opinions about which song should be removed from sgt pepper's to make the album better. amelia was always a ghost. hoping they're deleted scenes on the DVD. but that's the answer.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:09 (five years ago) link
someone could make fake pizzolatto comments and it’d be the same
― mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:13 (five years ago) link
Pizzalatte maybe needs to stfu imho. Put it up on the fucken screen and then step away, good sir.
This finale was very Return of the King/A.I. in its 'oh guess that's the end...whoops no here's the actual ending I suppose...oh wait it appears that another ending is manifesting as I speak'-ness.
― Choose Your Own Disaster (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:21 (five years ago) link
I mean he put pretty much everything on screen in that finale. Could have done with stepping away a bit earlier
― Number None, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:27 (five years ago) link
I was insanely tired when I watched so I didn't backtrack -- was the woman with the child the same as the woman in the pictures the nun was showing the detectives?
― mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:47 (five years ago) link
either way, I thought the implication was that her story was better left ended
and Hays "solving the case" by actually finding her was the resolution he wasn't going to get -- he gets there, but his memory fails, so he's out there forever stuck on a mission. literally, back in the jungle
― mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:50 (five years ago) link
honestly can't tell if pizzolatto's trolling there but he doesn't seem the type
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 23:48 (five years ago) link
if these are the things he originally felt the show needed or clarifications that have had, we should be congratulating the editors
― mh, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 02:20 (five years ago) link
Mh—- uh, yes. She is The missing girlA twin peaks fb groupPosted some of ghost Amelia’s speech with the image of Cooper at Laura-not-Laura’s door from the finale and I thought it was an interesting parallel:What if there's another story?What if something went unbroken?All this life, all this loss, what if it was really one long story that just kept going and going until it healed itself?(From True Detective Season 3)
― akm, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 06:51 (five years ago) link
i thought this ended well...i nearly bailed after the milch ep, the season lowpoint imo, but it picked up after that; still, i found the tone overall a lil too staid/lifeless, & despite some of the flaws of s1, i much preferred that season
― johnny crunch, Friday, 8 March 2019 16:11 (five years ago) link
yeah i know what you mean--it's the difference between Fukunaga and the rotating cast of directors for this season. Fukunaga managed to inject a bit of supernatural horror into the overall atmosphere that was missing here. S3 was more a straight-ahead mystery/crime story, albeit with weird chronology
― Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Friday, 8 March 2019 23:01 (five years ago) link
Halfway through, liking it fine. Definitely more than 2, and within range at least of 1. Very convincing aging job on the three Ali's. He's great as always (although, as seems to be standard with this show, maybe a little too grim and monosyllabic--but they at least let him lighten up when courting Carmen Ejogo), Dorff is surprisingly good, Ejogo better yet. Deft handling of race--not the focus but there.
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 March 2019 14:53 (five years ago) link
Found the resolution to the Purcell story a little far-fetched, to say the least. (The pink room was left intact for 20 or 30 years? Really? I would think Mr. June might have gotten in there and destroyed it.) As someone points out above, though, that's just one part among many, and overall I found it all pretty absorbing. Not sure if would hold up to a second viewing, as the first season did for me.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 03:31 (five years ago) link
There were some shots of Hays (both younger and older) on the street at night that I thought might have been meant to evoke the opening scene of Get Out.
http://phildellio.tripod.com/ali.jpg
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 13:35 (five years ago) link
(The pink room was left intact for 20 or 30 years? Really? I would think Mr. June might have gotten in there and destroyed it.)
The room was in Edward Hoyt's mansion, and we don't know when exactly died, but West does mention his estate, so presumably the death was fairly recent, and the mansion hasn't been sold yet. So Mr. June probably didn't have the chance to destroy it. But yeah, it doesn't make much sense Hoyt would keep it intact, given that it ties him to well-known crime. Maybe he felt it was a memento of her dead daughter?
― Tuomas, Monday, 11 March 2019 14:41 (five years ago) link
my assumption was that after his death, he left no clear instructions for anyone to deal with the room. June might have just assumed it was someone else's problem, or that it wasn't worth the trouble?
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:52 (five years ago) link
June also subconsciously (well, consciously) wanted to be punished for his crimes, so there's a possibility he wanted it to lead back to him/the Hoyt family.
― Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:55 (five years ago) link
it's possible the estate would be wrapped up in legal crap for years and everyone would be dead by the time someone found a secret room in the basement of a sprawling mansion
kind of fits with the series theme of buildings in disrepair sitting empty for decades
― mh, Monday, 11 March 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link
Yeah, those are all plausible explanations--especially the idea of wanting to be caught.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link
Didn't know Michael Rooker would show up, recognized him almost immediately (but took a few seconds to place him--I was thinking, "JFK, JFK..."). Solid actor.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 15:10 (five years ago) link
Michael Rooker fits so well in the world of TD. I'm rooting for him to be one of the leads in the next season, or at least a Dorff-level supporting character.
― Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2019 15:17 (five years ago) link
this was rather lovely.
mr june exposition scene was painful af but allowed the last episode to focus on the relationship and a happy ending, which i was fine with
dorff character is gay for sure but im glad they left it unsaid
plot meh characters good performances good looked great more like this
― ~mine own~ bitcoin (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 March 2019 00:56 (five years ago) link
really liked this, pl complaining about the dialogue are taking themselves too seriously imho, s3 > s1 > s2
― Simon H., Friday, 9 August 2019 12:51 (four years ago) link
I just watched this and, after the debacle of S2, enjoyed it very much. It did fade away slightly in the final act but the setup was strong enough that it didn't matter. The two leads were brilliant - especially Dorff - and I'd have happily watched Carmen Ejogo all day. Ejogo fact: she was married to Tricky. For less than a year.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 6 July 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link