one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

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Good luck UK. Btw japan is just about to loosen its immigration policy, so you have options.

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 14 January 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So we don't need the EU to actually relax our migration policy? Like Japan, we can allow people to just come in anyway. And we can do so where migrants can get jobs that pay well under good conditions, and to live in stable tenancies, and to get on with their lives without fear and discrimnation propagated by a right-wing media?

Sounds cool.

"To Hell with the rest of the world": Colin the Angry Owl speaks for no-one. UK Brexit endgame thread.

He's ready!

Ninth Dimensional chess and Unicorn hunting - anything could happen now May's lost the Brexit vote

Is that even true of Japan? I’d describe JP as a lot of things but friendly to foreigners isn’t one of them. When I was there before Christmas the metro had loads of ads encouraging people to be nice to foreigners because the Olympics were coming up. Suspect it may be more in line with the Gulf state guest worker model.

On that note, I wonder how much hate of EU immigrants here is driven by the fact we have most of the same rights as British people? Obviously some things are difficult but it’s pretty easy to establish a life in the EU under freedom of movement.

Yes, Japan treats foreigners, especially non-white low skilled foreigners like shit,. And it has a government that panders to its knuckle dragging nationalist elements by fighting with Russia over some islands and killing whales.

Nick Ferrari to Boris Johnson: "I would suggest he [the Chief Executive of Land Rover] knows more about car manufacturing than you do"

Boris Johnson: "Interesting point. I'm not certain he does."

— Shehab Khan (@ShehabKhan) January 14, 2019

I was joking re: Japan. But Ed's post shows that that you don't need the EU for open borders if you actually open them to everybody that wants to come.

re the tsunami of rightist populism that everyone predicts continued FOM would unleash - and let's not pretend grayling et al are that different from the avg ILX poster IN THAT RESPECT - i say let's fight them in the fucking fields if that's their point of view. what's the alternative? knuckle? ("you can have any colour of closed border you want as long as it's white") i mean fuck off. i realise i personally wouldn't be at the pointy of that fight so it's quite easy for me to say but i'm not feeling this 5D chess of like, preemptively accepting closed borders just so we keep Jack Asshole happy

I agree with you - fascism has to be met with social and physical force. But we’re not the ones who have to face the mosque/refugee centre burnings, the street attacks etc. we have to step up, if we’re facing a future with a larger far-right than we currently experience.

(And I’m a pudgy ex-pacifist, I’m not ready for that stuff atm)

It doesn’t help that good old Tony and sensible Yvette keep coming out to be give the béal bocht about freedom of movement, like “obviously it’s nice to have but sacrifices must be made...” - fuck right off. And the thing is that this position is held by most of the media that’s not openly fash-baiting.

xps.

Japan's also looking to formalise language testing for migrants, in the way that the UK has. I'd say that around 80% of the learners who would have gone from Nepal to the UK, when they were still able to support their study with work, are now going to Japan.

I've heard some interesting rumours that the Home Office is going to streamline the immigration system post-Brexit to make it less painful for applicants. The numbers will probably be capped but there's a fear both of a brain drain and of missing out on highly-skilled workers. It can't be overestimated how many of the Byzantine processes were simply just to deter people from applying in the first place.

I've heard some interesting rumours that the Home Office is going to streamline the immigration system post-Brexit to make it less painful for applicants

Interesting also because how many times has this been tried and how many times has it failed miserably already? Early days but I can't see a Tory Home Office post-brexit make things less painful for anyone, let alone applicants.

I'm not sure they've ever really tried to make anything easier in the past. They've tended to talk up the idea that the UK is open for business while making things as difficult as possible.

The system, as it stands, is pretty much designed to ensure that potential migrants a) don't bother b) give up or c) are rejected on technicalities - that's not going to be sustainable if you're funneling new EU migrants through the same route and expecting to maintain London as a European commercial centre. The numbers and qualifying metrics (particularly around salary) are like to be quite heavily controlled but the processes don't necessarily need to be quite so aggressively awful.

Settled status applications are a shitshow waiting to happen.

I was going to say, I don't think the Brexiters went through all this shit just to end up with a UK outside the EU that opens borders and welcomes all migrants.

Tough shit.

Live by the sovereignty, die by the sovereignty, or something.

Thankfully Dominic Raab has come out with an incredible new policy. Asbos for businesses? Yes and ho!

so listen is this going down tonight or what

and did she rly threaten the dup with a "no-deal will mean the end of the union"

The vote? Thought that was tomorrow. We should probably start a new thread by then, assuming it doesn’t get shelved again.

Vote is tomorrow, inshallah.

didn't look like this was covered

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/gareth-johnson-resigns-tory-whip-government-ahead-of-theresa-mays-brexit-deal-vote-a4038371.html

Brexiteer Conservative MP Desmond Swayne calls on Theresa May to suspend parliament until April in order to "guarantee Brexit."

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) January 14, 2019

Very normal!

NEW THREAD:
"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

plz to lock this one