Yeah, I'm seeing a...LOT of praise lately that I don't get.
Anyway I missed the discussion earlier re the Cure and any imprecations lodged against Disintegration today are wrong and have been denied.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 January 2019 03:51 (five years ago) link
idk I don’t see anybody saying that about Frank, personally
But it is annoying to see people constant pursing their lips about him and being like “he’s not that great” bc I don’t know any other gay black men doing better, or how he could do any better
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 12 January 2019 03:53 (five years ago) link
this is gonna sound nuts but I think he’s really great, without being the best of the best ever
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 12 January 2019 06:55 (five years ago) link
I think there is an evanescence to his approach that is a very effective way of coding the intangibility of queerness and alternative versions of black masculinity, and that this evanescence also defies quantitative analysis— he’s not the best by any means but he’s more important than being “the best”
But dismissals-without-unpacking of his work (and “Moonlight” for that matter) just make me think “jeez what does it take for a black man to get elected president down there? a Harvard doctorate?”
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 12 January 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link
I feel that, but I also get why people wanna push back when Ryan Schreiber says he has “bar none, the single greatest voice in pop music that I’ve heard this decade.”
― harvey wall/barrier (voodoo chili), Saturday, 12 January 2019 17:08 (five years ago) link
More than fair -- and I don't hate his work by any means. But I don't find myself coming back to it either.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 January 2019 17:20 (five years ago) link
...Ryan Schreiber said that? Um I think he's wrong and also missing the point (unless he means voice in the figurative sense)
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 12 January 2019 17:22 (five years ago) link
Final entry in this list:
https://pitchfork.com/features/5-10-15-20/pitchfork-founder-ryan-schreiber-on-the-music-of-his-life/
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 January 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
speaking of Evanescence they fucking rock
― rip van wanko, Saturday, 12 January 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
xps I’m pretty sure he was talking about his literal voice
― harvey wall/barrier (voodoo chili), Saturday, 12 January 2019 22:18 (five years ago) link
my objection comes from that dumbass gq editor’s letter where he asserts that frank will be remembered as the best of his time (this was after he said that writing about music and writing about fashion were the same thing)
― maura, Sunday, 13 January 2019 00:14 (five years ago) link
Is this the new guy?
― rip van wanko, Sunday, 13 January 2019 00:21 (five years ago) link
yep
― maura, Sunday, 13 January 2019 02:24 (five years ago) link
There's Frank Ocean, of course. (I think history will exalt Frank Ocean. By which I mean: One day he'll be known as the best, most boundary-shattering and timeless artist of his generation. Duh.)
― Number None, Sunday, 13 January 2019 11:13 (five years ago) link
he’s not the best by any means but he’s more important than being “the best”
otm -- like Saul Bellow
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 January 2019 14:01 (five years ago) link
the older the get the more i hate this monomaniacal fixation on who "the best" is. i don't want to go "late capitalism" about it necessarily, but increasingly it seems like if you're not the absolute best in the world at something the general attitude is that you might as well not bother. i say embrace imperfection! it's more interesting. if every album was fucking "dark side of the moon" music wouldn't be worth listening to.
― Sigur Ros or Pomplamoose type shit (rushomancy), Sunday, 13 January 2019 15:38 (five years ago) link
dark side of the moon is very, very far from perfect
― imago, Sunday, 13 January 2019 15:55 (five years ago) link
Both otm, but it's broader than music.
Sure, Rolling Stonish rankings like the best 100 albums or top 10 guitar solos ever!!!! Has always just been to generate disagreement and therefore attention. Why was this ranked so high, it's criminal that they neglected that, lather, rinse, repeat.
In art generally, in life generally, and in work generally, the pressure to be excellent (or else don't bother) is a stifling force that would kill loads of happy sloppy accidents that upholster the world with lovable bits of mediocrity.
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 13 January 2019 15:55 (five years ago) link
maybe dark side of the moon is perfect, and that's why i don't like it much
― imago, Sunday, 13 January 2019 15:59 (five years ago) link
Dark Side of the Moon is boring dreck
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 13 January 2019 16:01 (five years ago) link
I was just about to post something like that but wussed out, thanks Οὖτις!
― obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Sunday, 13 January 2019 16:02 (five years ago) link
Rushomancy otm, just the idea of ranking stuff anymore I can't really be bothered
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 13 January 2019 16:13 (five years ago) link
on a related point i think the indie ppl loving lofi aesthetics and 'imperfection' more generally were onto something and the criticisms of them were basic and thoughtless (esp when they used some notion fetishism)
― ogmor, Sunday, 13 January 2019 16:28 (five years ago) link
This is not an opinion I share - I spotted it on Twitter - but MAN does it belong in this thread.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwzlOhVUYAEEn24.jpg
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 13 January 2019 17:01 (five years ago) link
that is some good ass trollin'.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 13 January 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
parody of this
― lowercase (eric), Sunday, 13 January 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
increasingly it seems like if you're not the absolute best in the world at something the general attitude is that you might as well not bother.Nah, it’s just a music nerd thing. AFAIK, actual musicians (most, anyway) don’t think that way; they just do their thing because they love it and are driven to do it, as artists.
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Sunday, 13 January 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
(I think most interesting musicians seem to be fairly self-effacing in interviews, actually. Most, not all...)
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Sunday, 13 January 2019 18:13 (five years ago) link
I like overusing superlatives like “the best” because I seek to make my life as close to a series of breathtakingly beautiful experiences as I possibly can
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 13 January 2019 19:45 (five years ago) link
lmao at that emo paragraph
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, 13 January 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link
MONOTONOUS, COLD and somewhat AGONIZING
Kinda like yer mom
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 13 January 2019 20:19 (five years ago) link
dark side of the moon is surprisingly enjoyable
― sarahell, Sunday, 13 January 2019 21:18 (five years ago) link
Dark Side of the Moon would've been improved with Bernard Sumner writing the lyrics imo
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 January 2019 21:19 (five years ago) link
I don’t know any of the lyrics on Dark Side Of The Moon, unless “I have become.............. comfortably numb” is one, but that feels probable
― sans lep (sic), Sunday, 13 January 2019 21:23 (five years ago) link
xp - possibly so! It came on the radio the other day, and I thought to myself, "this is kinda okay, actually."
― sarahell, Sunday, 13 January 2019 21:26 (five years ago) link
I’m pretty sure it goes MONEY ner ner ner nernerner
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 13 January 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
dope record but def improved if they'd left "money" off and just released that as a single
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Sunday, 13 January 2019 21:35 (five years ago) link
Having a “Berenstain Bears” moment, looking at the Wikipedia page for this album and learning that it is apparently titled The Dark Side of the Moon
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Sunday, 13 January 2019 21:38 (five years ago) link
woah..... that freaks me out
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 13 January 2019 22:53 (five years ago) link
"Money" is such a crap song
― rip van wanko, Sunday, 13 January 2019 23:00 (five years ago) link
Absolutely, it's plodding blueay garbage. Ugh.
― Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 January 2019 23:40 (five years ago) link
... bluesy, that is. I hate it when Floyd play the blues.
― Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 January 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link
"Money" is the best song on the album
^^^ My actual apparently controversial opinion.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Sunday, 13 January 2019 23:51 (five years ago) link
Lyrical contributions by Bernard Sumner would not have improved it.
^^^ another bold stance on this iconoclastic evening
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Sunday, 13 January 2019 23:53 (five years ago) link
how dare you sir how dare you
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 14 January 2019 00:03 (five years ago) link
I'm gonna throw in this possibly controversial opinion:The Dark Side of the Moon is not one of the top 5 Pink Floyd albums
― silverfish, Monday, 14 January 2019 01:57 (five years ago) link
The Division Bell is way better than I remembered, that’s for sure
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 14 January 2019 02:11 (five years ago) link
The Division Bell is also not one of the top 5 Pink Floyd albums
― silverfish, Monday, 14 January 2019 03:07 (five years ago) link
I'll bite - what are the top five?????
― timellison, Monday, 14 January 2019 03:13 (five years ago) link