Tindersticks : classic or dud

Just testing out the theory that *this* might be the right track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXmHvU8w6hQ

I don't think you have the right to cut off one track from their first album. It is of one piece, one long trip into a night soaked in red wine and fogged in fume.

That's a good point, well made. But this isn't about "best track" or anything like that - it's about the track that would seem right when you were opening your *second bottle of red*.

Travelling Light for me, in that case!

* Opens second bottle of red, pours a glass, plays "Travelling Light" *

No, not quite right.

City Sickness?

The first album is the only example of an 80-minute album that completely justifies its length

Can anyone inform me on these recent re-issues? If I understand well there are vinyl re-issues of the first three albums or so? Funny thing is that I saw a cd-reissue of the first album with a second disc that contains demos. Amazon lists a cd re-issue of "Curtains" as well from last year but it's only a single disc, whereas at one point (2004?) there was a 2cd version. So I guess the conclusion is that there are different cd and vinyl re-issues here?

the second album is better. xp

^ God, I could see this turning nasty.

the truth is that from the first three albums there's everyone's favourite T album and they can decide which tracks they'd add to what is their preferred album to make it actually the best for you.

Unless you think Simple Pleasure is the best.

Yeah ... but ... I'm testing out the "you've just opened a second bottle of red, what Tindersticks song should be playing?" question.

'Until the Morning Comes' might work.

If You're Looking For A Way Out.

no

Dying Slowly.

Mistakes
My Oblivion
Blood
Factory Girls
How He Entered
Tiny Tears
Another Night In
Can Our Love
No Man in the World
Kathleen

all immediately spring to mind

That's a good list but I can't make a judgement. Am well beyond "just opened a second bottle of red".

My first Tindersticks album story: I'd been travelling in Australia (99 into 2000) and while I was there my folks came to visit. We were in a hotel room in Melbourne and my mum called her doctor. Unbeknownst to us, she'd been having tests for breast cancer and the doctor told her, over the phone, that they'd need to see her urgently when they got back. They left two days later, and I caught the bus back to Sydney where I was living. I was in a weird state of fragile delirium anyway, reeling from the news, and the understanding that I wouldn't see them again for six months, and for whatever reason decide to play the first Tindersticks album. I'd had it for a number of years and sort of knew it - more like I knew certain streets on a city map rather than the totality of the city itself. Well, the journey was 24 hours or so, and I played it pretty much the whole way, letting auto-reverse deal with switching sides as I drifted in and out of sleep. I think we all emerge from journeys like that changed anyway, but I'm sure I walked off the bus in Sydney forever altered. Something had shifted in my understanding of mortality and my relationship to my parents, and somehow the album had become woven into that process, become something approaching metabolised, incorporated. I still see the album as architectural, and certain sections are like stumbling along obscure corridors and alleyways, others like walking into sunlit courtyards, light doubling water-caught in pools. For all that, in 25-odd years of listening to it, I don't feel like I've ever reached its centre. It's a glorious enigma.

now that is a post.

x-posts.

"Factory Girls" is one of those great "missed [by me]" Tindersticks songs (These are generally from Hungry Saw and Falling Down a Mountain) ... Thanks for pointing it out ... though I think it would be better placed around 2/3 down the second bottle.

I may set myself the mission of creating a themed first bottle/second bottle of red double disc compilation of Tindersticks songs.

First CD: uplifting/going out music. Second CD: drunken, sad songs.

It's completely pointless but, my God, I'll fucking enjoy it.

Not sure I am hard enough to compile a third CD.

I'd love to hear your (or anyone else's) nominations for a post-Curtains compilation for those of us who loved this band's first few albums immensely but for whatever reason checked out after that. Surely I'm not the only poster in this category!

hi

My Sister for CD3, for sure.

that was @djh

my stab at a post Curtains comp:

What are you Fighting For?
Dying Slowly
Say Goodbye to the City
If You're Looking for a Way Out
Harmony Around my Table
The Other Side of the World
The Organist Entertains
Can We Start Again?
People Keep Comin' Around
Hey Lucinda
Can Our Love...
Trouble Every Day
Factory Girls
Follow Me
Until the Morning Comes

it took me a decade to discover that "If You're Looking For A Way Out" is a cover of an odyssey song.

I guess you might as well stick "Sometimes it Hurts" in there somewhere too.

xp to myself

to that end, i'd include another cover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3hHYUlu9DY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRVTNsp2gs

Can anyone inform me on these recent re-issues? If I understand well there are vinyl re-issues of the first three albums or so? Funny thing is that I saw a cd-reissue of the first album with a second disc that contains demos. Amazon lists a cd re-issue of "Curtains" as well from last year but it's only a single disc, whereas at one point (2004?) there was a 2cd version. So I guess the conclusion is that there are different cd and vinyl re-issues here?

― EvR

Plain reissued the first two albums on vinyl in 2011, but the quality isn't great. Plain have a really bad reputation of low quality vinyl that is from the same source as the CD/digital. Music On Vinyl just did Curtains and Simple Pleasure. They are much more consistent with the quality of the record itself and the artwork. I picked these both up and they sound fantastic. As for the CDs, the 2004 reissues were indeed doubles but I'm not sure what the difference is with the recent reissues. I don't see much about them on Discogs.

Right ... will compile CDs on the basis of

a) post Curtains.

b) Bottle of red one.

c) Bottle of red two.

The first of those feels quite straight-forward. I will enjoy research into the latter two.

At this exact moment, really enjoying "Piano Music" (suspect suits end of bottle 2).

Particularly curious to see whether you think "Hey Lucinda" is a 1st bottle of red or a 2nd bottle of red type of song; i mean, it starts "come out drinking with me tonight" but quickly descends into "I only dance to remember how dancing used to feel" and other musings on how shit it is to grow old.

Would anything from "Minute Bodies" find its way onto any of those comps?

x-post: It could be the opening track, it could be two-thirds of the way through the second disc (and it might not even get on there at all). I need to do wine/song matching.

CDR-80, post-Curtains:

Fear of Emptiness
Tricklin'
Waiting for the Moon
The Other Side of the World
Hey Lucinda
Peanuts
Can Our Love
A Night So Still
Dying Slowly
Mother Dear
How He Entered
What Are You Fighting For?
Trouble Everyday
Put Your Love In Me
Piano Music
Factory Girls.

On a different day, I'd have found space for My Oblivion and 4:48. If we'd gone for post-Dickon, I might have found space for a more curious compilation (eg. Minute Bodies ... but probably not Ypres).

Right, the wine double disc compilation ...

thank you, djh! I will search these out.

Mother Dear from The Hungry Saw has amazing guitar work.

I find it hard to pluck songs out of the context The Hungry Saw (beyond "Other Side of the World" which is one of Stuart's best weepers), it's probably their most cohesive album and I just love the closing run so much

"b) Bottle of red one.

c) Bottle of red two."

I am taking my research seriously.

Good God. I have a cluster of songs for disc 2. Would welcome suggestions for the first disc ...

So, here's where I'm up to (should my liver fail).

Bottle 1

Hey Lucinda
City Sickness
(Tonight) Are You Trying to Fall In Love Again?
Marbles
This Fire of Autumn
Rented Rooms
Peanuts
Buried Bones
Let's Pretend
Help Yourself
Can Our Love ...
Put Your Love in Me?
How He Entered
Paco de Renaldo's Dream

Bottle 2

Trouble Everyday
Piano Song
Dick's Slow Song
Waiting for the Moon
Factory Girls
Tyed
Don't Look Down
Piano Music
Raindrops
The Other Side of the World
Dancing
The Waiting Room
Sleepy Song
Tea Stain
The Organist Entertains.

(It needs to be hacked back).

Trying to make disc one more "going out" ...

Disc one needs more Simple Pleasure.

Good call.

No love for 'Chocolate'? Ideal accompaniment to red wine surely.

That's a really mundane story and the twist at the end is just silly.

I think there's quite a lot of warmth and decency in "Chocolate" ... but I'd rarely put it on a compilation.