pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

This will probably be dismissed as conspiracy shit, maybe rightly so, but anyone else get the feeling that with Mark R and Ryan gone in fairly quick succession that something probably went wrong with the relationship with Conde? Idk, feels like there’s more to this than just ‘it was time to move on.’

MTV.com was itself doing daily, reported music news in the late '90s which made ATN redundant

it's not "conspiracy shit." at conde nast, everyday is a new adventure to put it mildly

xp Yeah my understanding/impression was that MTV bought Sonicnet (and used the same content for MTV.com and VH1.com), because it was a “better mousetrap” version of what they were already trying to do; but sounds like fcc has deeper roots and knows more.

yes mtv.com was doing daily music news and d'oh for overlooking that in my last post. sonicnet was a way better mousetrap, and we taught mtv a lot of stuff and they taught us some stuff too, two very different worlds, and in the end we were indeed redundant because their name was on the door and they weren't all that interested in extending their brand; they liked it just where it was.

(i wound up elsewhere at mtv networks and i'm a big fan of the company in general, for reasons having little to do with that particular experiment. and i still will maintain that sonicnet/atn's late-'90s news model was influential in a number of ways. now back to your regularly scheduled pitchfork thread.)

I’m gonna take you the matt- y es I will, fcc - and I’m gonna figure out who you are! and I’m not gonna handle with care-as the traveling wilburys might say!

(sorry for typos, I’ve had a few beerz, lol)

Treeship's mom has got it going on

*i* might be stacey blyth, you never know.

xp love that crazy gal

7.5 ref

Schreiber has quit? Shit, cat.

― Position Position

new board description. please. it's only right and natural.

my only interaction with ryan schreiber was on twitter, when i was like 20 or something and i suggested a game changer for his company would be to randomly give an album the score of 10.1 to dispense with the toxic idea that an album could be "perfect" or that "perfection" was even a noble goal. he responded with something like "..."

anyway, rest in hell, monster

― Trϵϵship

lmfao

ikr

The reality of my childhood was that I always connected with music more than [I connected with] people.

who edited this

that bracket does not need to be there. that is the extent of my p4k dunking. I never wrote for or pitched to the site, but they did expose me to a significant amount of the bands and albums I still love and I still check it every day. 8.6

Also, it looks like sonicnet.com was trying to cover everything under the sun whereas early Pitchfork was relentlessly "underground" focused. It was the sense of a community apart from the mainstream that was a big draw.

irony of ironies here

xpost Ian, I don't think we were ever the target audience for pitchfork. I never read it unless a specific reason came up and I am honestly surprised they are still around.

I would assume that bracket is there so the sentence doesn't get parsed as "I always connected with music more than other people did."

^Yeah, I agree... I might have just put “with” in the bracket, but I see why it deemed necessary for clarity.

i agree with flappy bird it's unnecessary, the meaning is apparent

A more elegant solution may have been to switch a few words around — “...connected more with music than people.”

i don't find this to be particularly noble behavior! but i guess i am not suf's pr

Seems like a good day to tell one of my favorite @ryanpitchfork stories and one that really shows how his personal championing of artists has made such a difference over the years - back in 2003 I had just started working with an unknown Brooklyn singer-songwriter named Sufjan

— Force Field PR (@forcefieldpr) January 9, 2019

oh, i guess you will have to click thru for thread/story

and people were asking why he is so bad and hated

It’s funny to me that the Hand of God came down and changed the score from a 7.4 to an... 8.5

He was thinking strategically. Had to leave room to give Illinois a 9+, then sustain a backlash long enough to ensure maximum impact of the big comeback album after Suf's mom died a decade later.

Schreiber plays indie rock 3D chess.

just the idea of a Sufjan Stevens album makes me carsick

why

it's just very beige and precious and consistently hits whatever the opposite of my pleasure spots are

I blame pfork for its proliferation

do you think this means Schreiber has fuck you money now?

I've heard of it. On what, fuckface?

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dailymotion.com, dickwad

btw site is good for most old sitcoms

wrong thread lol

This is an extremely murky article in (I guess?) the “allegations-of-impropriety” genre: https://pitchfork.com/news/superorganisms-mark-turner-sought-restraining-orders-against-two-women-who-spoke-out-against-him/

Not feelin’ the obligatory Chainsmokers slam

No one expected Taggart and Pall to crack open a copy of bell hooks’ The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love between albums, but the Chainsmokers’ determination to double down on their reputation for toxic masculinity is impressively disturbing.

so have they reduced the number of daily reviews to two?

Sure seems that way

they didn't get back to the usual 4 per day until Jan. 18 last year

this is the slow season for album releases

yeah this week's new release list is pretty slim pickings

https://www.pauseandplay.com/new-releases-jan-11-2019/
https://www.metacritic.com/browse/albums/release-date/coming-soon/date
https://www.albumoftheyear.org/upcoming/

Yeah, they've done this for at least a couple of years now. They used to not post any reviews for 3-4 weeks in December/January. Also they made a bigger deal of their year-end lists (big banner on the main page, I think they even used to roll them out 10 or 20 albums/songs at a time, though I may be wrong about that)

no you're right, it used to be a week long rollout

which, to go back to earlier in this thread, is another part of what made pitchfork outlast their peers imo: the whole "canon-building as event" thing, in the form of long ranked lists of mostly indie rockers

Well, the "new tracks" page seems to be finished. Nothing at all since December 4 and it's now January 10.

Shame, that page introduced me to some absolutely incredible music.

https://oct.co/essays/having-beer-with-how-dress-well-tom-krell

Already resisted posting this once but I just realized they spelled it “Nihlism”

twitter is starting to realize that october sucks, i guess

just been shown how Pitchfork makes its money now, which is selling its position as An Hip Millenial Influencer to push things like an Anheuser InBev radicalization engine dressed as a pinteresting cool magazine called "October", and its the saddest fucking thing i've ever seen pic.twitter.com/0UEhrOt9YB

— ཊལབསརངཧ (@David_Rudnick) January 11, 2019

I guess this is more "I'm dumb, pt. 4532687" but I can't be the only person who did a double-take at the current top headline