Who's the most famous superhero who has never died?

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xp when? i don't remember that

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:03 (eleven months ago) link

In Superman #694, Matter-Eater Lad is revealed to have been masquerading as Mon-El's friend Mitch, owner of a local cafe. He reveals his identity by stepping in to save a woman trapped in a burning car, allowing Mon-El to continue fighting the larger threats.

As revealed in Adventure Comics (vol. 2) #8, Matter-Eater Lad is part of a secret team sent by the late RJ Brande to the 21st century to save the future in the Last Stand of New Krypton storyline.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:04 (eleven months ago) link

rmde

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:05 (eleven months ago) link

(Total aside, but I just saw a news blurb the other day positing that Bendis may be doing a Legion book. You're welcome, fans!)

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:06 (eleven months ago) link

did Matter-Eater Lad ever die such that he could be resurrected?

sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:06 (eleven months ago) link

xp Yeah, I saw that tease... sheesh

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:10 (eleven months ago) link

RE: Kitty - WHEDON not Morrison; memory failed me. She was presumed dead! Not being in the book means you're dead!
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/kitty-pryde/4005-3548/forums/she-cant-be-dead-can-she-416473/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:33 (eleven months ago) link

I don't think Kitty's fate at the end of Whedon's run counts as death, because, A) by the end of the story she was still not dead, just incapacitated, and B) Whedon wrote it so that any future writer could easily bring her back, which is indeed what happened.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:43 (eleven months ago) link

no way she never died and she was not presumed dead (which anyway isn't the same thing as being dead)

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:44 (eleven months ago) link

xp

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:44 (eleven months ago) link

Buuuuut at any rate she did die in Secret Wars so she's out of the running unfortch.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:49 (eleven months ago) link

kitty pryde wasn't in secret wars!

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:50 (eleven months ago) link

xp thank god, i was afraid this was gonna turn into a semantic nerdfight about the death of kitty pryde
wait never mind apparently we're gonna do this

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:51 (eleven months ago) link

Every mention of Secret Wars itt is threatening to devolve into a 'who's on first?' routine.

FTR: the 2015 Secret Wars involved the wholesale destruction of the Marvel multiverse and everyone in it with the exception of like a dozen or so characters who managed to escape that fate through various means.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:13 (eleven months ago) link

I honestly think it makes more sense to count what happened to Kitty Pride as an example of what we're talking about, rather than something like the entirety of the Marvel Universe being gone for a couple of pages in Secret Wars. I know she definitely didn't die, but I like Old Lunch's notion that she was 'feared lost forever'. Which is kinda also what happened to Batman in Final Crisis. It's not as good a thread title: 'Who's the most famous superhero who has never been feared lost forever?' But it's kinda what we're talking about, no? Noble sacrifices, leaving the title for a while, as other characters fill the void.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:36 (eleven months ago) link

I have an extra-nerdy answer to

have TMNT ever died?

which is that in the exclusive bonus mini-comic included in TMNT role-playing-game post-holocaust supplement Road Hogs, all the TMNT are dead except for an ancient, dementia-riddled Raphael, living in a post-nuclear-war future

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 04:22 (eleven months ago) link

Old Man Raph is the winner then

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 05:50 (eleven months ago) link

The logical conclusion of this kind of thing (effective superhero immortality) is those stores that Marvel likes to do — including recently — in which someone like Reed Richards or Steve Rogers or Thor or Logan is the last being alive at the end of time, witnessing the heat death of the universe, etc.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 06:49 (eleven months ago) link

Who’s the most famous super-character (hero or villain) to have died and stayed dead? No clones, no alternate universe or timeline versions, etc.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 06:50 (eleven months ago) link

I guess that was already sort of discussed above.

i stan corrected (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 07:02 (eleven months ago) link

I started a thread on that subject a long time ago:

Major superheroes/villains who died and have stayed dead - are there any?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 10:57 (eleven months ago) link

those stores that Marvel likes to do — including recently — in which someone like Reed Richards or Steve Rogers or Thor or Logan is the last being alive at the end of time, witnessing the heat death of the universe, etc.

Sniffing through Alan Moore’s bins for old teabags they can dry out & try to use again.

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 17:27 (eleven months ago) link

Which Moore story did that, I can't recall?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:00 (eleven months ago) link

Wildstorm Spotlight #1

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:31 (eleven months ago) link

How could I have forgotten such a popular + feted work.

Love is Scarface (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:44 (eleven months ago) link

it was pretty feted at the time!

https://www.tor.com/2012/07/09/the-great-alan-moore-reread-mr-majestic-voodoo-and-deathblow/

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 21:27 (eleven months ago) link

That seems to have come out years after Books of Magic #3 tho, which has a similar plot.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 21:33 (eleven months ago) link

iirc that has magic people in a magic chamber ruminating on a time when various different magic worlds have passed into history? the Moore story is "Superman one immortal superhero is the last being left alive at the end of time, witnessing the heat death of the universe, etc"

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:00 (eleven months ago) link

Was specifically gonna mention that BoM issue (which is rad)!

Love is Scarface (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:26 (eleven months ago) link

iirc that has magic people in a magic chamber ruminating on a time when various different magic worlds have passed into history?

no, Mr. E takes the kid "walking" to the end of time, it is def the heat death of the universe and is literally described as such (that's when Death shows up!)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:29 (eleven months ago) link

okey doke! I still think that's "magic" though

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:48 (eleven months ago) link

maybe I'm conflating with the Paul Johnson issue re ppl ruminating in a chamber

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:48 (eleven months ago) link

it is magic, I don't see why that matters. I mean, Thor is magic.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:51 (eleven months ago) link

it's magic that takes them there, but they are literally *there* and they interact with various entities that can see them.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:52 (eleven months ago) link

The lure of alliteration overpowered my brane.

― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:22 PM

That's the ghost of Stan Lee trying to possess you.

Kamen Rider, Ultraman, Super Sentai team, Bananaman, Darna, One Punch Man, Kick Ass & Hit Girl, The Mask, Witchblade, The Incredibles? All guesses.

The Spirit started by faking his death? Didn't The Phantom or The Shadow do something similar? The Crow and Spawn died in their origin and I bet they probably died more times.

I presume Hellboy died at some point?

Storylines discussed above sound incredibly stupid, even by DC and Marvel standards. I guess some characters are just killed off so we can get sentimental about them and then show them looking ICONIC *retch* when they come back.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:48 (eleven months ago) link

Hellboy's death is one of those 'death is not the end' stories, as quite a few of the last Hellboy comics are after he is dead and Mignola came to the end (for now). The current series are working in the 50s etc filling in stories earlier in the cycle.

earlnash, Saturday, 12 January 2019 00:38 (eleven months ago) link

Was Swift from The Authority ever killed?

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Monday, 14 January 2019 03:27 (ten months ago) link

Didn't she die in a really disgusting way? I've never read it, but I remember that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 January 2019 21:29 (ten months ago) link

https://www.cbr.com/comic-characters-went-heaven-hell/

i stan corrected (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 04:48 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.cbr.com/major-superheroes-avoided-dying

Bryan Cronin recently addressed this question over at CBR, and it seems to correct answers are Nightwing, Daredevil, and Batgirl. He doesn't seemt to count DD's recent "death", though.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 11:11 (nine months ago) link

He also doesn't count Nightwang's recent death, but weirdly does count Deadpool's.

The Stephanie Brown Batgirl died also, so his last option is ruled out. (Yes I know he makes the Babs Gordon distinction but there are something like 20 years in age between the 2 versions currently in continuity - yes, I do mean Babs only versions - so all bets are off. See also Wally West, of which there are two different continuity versions at the moment and I'm willing to bet the dead one won't be dead by the end of Heroes In Crisis.)

Doesn't stand up to the academic scrutiny we applied above I'm afraid.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 11:35 (nine months ago) link

Wally West, of which there are two different continuity versions at the moment

christ i fuckin hate dc

kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 11:39 (nine months ago) link

By different, I mean the two versions of Babs are arguably the same one excepting their age - both shot by the Joker, both cured, both had a relationship with the Wang when he was Robin - but one experienced all that while at high school and the other one as an adult.

The two versions of Wally though are the ginger 90s title one (who might be currently dead) and the black Johnsiverse one.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 11:59 (nine months ago) link

i refer you to my earlier comment

kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 12:01 (nine months ago) link

See, Marvel does this stuff too but they're often able to make it coherent and fun. DC just seems like they're completely unaware of the narrative conventions which might render their bad ideas at least readable.

Goody Rickels on the Dime (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 12:24 (nine months ago) link

pro-tip for dc: rebooting your entire line every few years makes it really fuckin hard to care about what's happening month-to-month, especially when the detritus of those reboots leaves you with multiple versions of the same character which i'd venture to suggest shows your reboots aren't actually doing anything good or useful anyway

kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 12:29 (nine months ago) link

It's pretty sad that my Marvel/DC pull list went from maybe 75/25 pre-Flashpoint to a fairly consistent 98/2 ever since (and almost none of that 2% has been in-continuity material).

Goody Rickels on the Dime (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 12:51 (nine months ago) link


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