Who's the most famous superhero who has never died?

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Didn't Batman "die" in Final Crisis #6, and was revealed to be alive at the end of FC #7?

Tuomas, Monday, 7 January 2019 15:47 (eleven months ago) link

Coaster Man

rip van wanko, Monday, 7 January 2019 15:48 (eleven months ago) link

proud that we managed to bog this thread down in excruciating nitpickery in less than an hour, good work team

an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:50 (eleven months ago) link

'bog down' pun unintended but happy to take credit for it anyway

an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:51 (eleven months ago) link

I never could have foreseen such an outcome wrt the topic at hand, so I'm as shocked as anyone.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:52 (eleven months ago) link

So since it's established that pretty much everyone in the Big Two has 'died' at this point the real question is who has actually DIED died, like who has been decisively and graphically ground into hamburger on panel in such a way that their resurrection was unlikely at best?

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:56 (eleven months ago) link

all resurrections are unlikely tbf

an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:58 (eleven months ago) link

Chuck? xp

rip van wanko, Monday, 7 January 2019 15:59 (eleven months ago) link

barry allen literally disintegrating into dust seemed pretty final but then... geoff johns

an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:59 (eleven months ago) link

Anyway, I'm sure you understand that by "death" I mean stories where the hero dies, and isn't immediately revealed to be alive, either in the same issue, or (if the "death" is a cliffhanger) at the beginning of the next one... Meaning that some gullible reader might actually think he has died for sure. Often the next issue following the death features other characters mourning the fallen hero etc.

Batman's death is kind of a borderline case, because he was revealed to be alive in the following issue, but DC had already advertised the death long in advance, and weren't the gaps between FC issue longer than normal too?

Tuomas, Monday, 7 January 2019 16:02 (eleven months ago) link

The original Cap Marvel remains dead, right? That's most likely because of they way he died, as even Marvel would probably think reversing a cancer death would be in bad taste.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 January 2019 16:04 (eleven months ago) link

Previously unknown sons and alternate universe counterparts of him have appeared, of course.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 January 2019 16:05 (eleven months ago) link

Yeah, him and Unca Ben are pretty much it. Jim Wilson also (for reasons likely similar to those you posit).

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:07 (eleven months ago) link

Oh wait, Ben was kinda sorta briefly resurrected during the recent Clone Conspiracy iirc.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:08 (eleven months ago) link

since we're on the topic, i'd like to just take a moment to underline dc's uniquely weird decision to make superman's death - a colossal media event which brought tens of thousands of new eyes to comics - the result of a savage physical beating over the course of numerous issues, which must have been a v odd experience for those new readers

i can only assume mel gibson was taking notes for the passion of the christ

an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:09 (eleven months ago) link

Has Bill Foster been brought back to life? That was a pretty disgusting death imo.

If Your Site Mod Vomits (Do This Every Day) (WmC), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:10 (eleven months ago) link

Has Namor ever died?

EZ Snappin, Monday, 7 January 2019 16:16 (eleven months ago) link

He was briefly beheaded a couple years back.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:27 (eleven months ago) link

same

an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:28 (eleven months ago) link

lol I have no idea what the answer to this question is but this discussion is p hilarious

realizing that ALL SUPERHEROES MUST DIE is like an article of faith with the big two now

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 16:37 (eleven months ago) link

As mentioned upthread, I don't think anyone has lasted longer than Dick.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 7 January 2019 16:38 (eleven months ago) link

xpost I guess it's still a reliable selling point? Even though everyone surely knows it's totally bogus by now?

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:39 (eleven months ago) link

presumably the audience just likes watching its heroes suffer, over and over. isn't there a term for this?

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 16:45 (eleven months ago) link

I sort of assumed some of the lower-tier X-Men would have gotten through it all without dying, but it seems like they've all been killed off and brought back at some point. Apparently Nightcrawler died, went to Heaven, and then BAMFED himself back to life.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 7 January 2019 16:45 (eleven months ago) link

Most of the (then current) X-Men "died" in the late 80s because Claremont wanted to deconstruct the whole team for some reason... Only Wolverine and Longshot survived that story arc.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 January 2019 16:49 (eleven months ago) link

Trying to think of an X-character who (line-wide universal upheaval/rebootage aside) has managed to avoid even the brief presumption of their having died. Err...Beast? Wolfsbane, maybe? There aren't many. And even those two probably have 'deaths' I've forgotten about.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:08 (eleven months ago) link

has dc's captain marvel/shazam ever died?

reading Gotham Central from the library rn, just hit an Infinite Crisis crossover issue where Cap bemoans over and over that Shazam is dead, but I dunno if he was just mistaken, in whatever comics that actually took place in

sans lep (sic), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:30 (eleven months ago) link

Oh yeah, the actual wizard Shazam died and Captain Marvel took his place on the cave throne iirc.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:34 (eleven months ago) link

he get better yet?

sans lep (sic), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:50 (eleven months ago) link

Dunno, I abandoned DC prior to Flashpoint and never looked back. Maybe he's one of the Watchmen now.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 January 2019 19:18 (eleven months ago) link

Secret Wars aside, Peter Parker has never died, right?

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:13 (ten months ago) link

(I'm talkin OG, 616-Peter)

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:16 (ten months ago) link

Yes he did, and then Doctor Octopus transferred his mind into Peter Parkers body and became Superior Spider-Man.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:19 (ten months ago) link

Oh yeah

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:21 (ten months ago) link

How 'bout Howard the Duck (just grasping at straws here)

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:25 (ten months ago) link

got kidnapped out of the Marvel Universe and went into witness protection in 1996, so is safe from death now

also not a superhero

sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:33 (ten months ago) link

Luke Cage maybe?

If Your Site Mod Vomits (Do This Every Day) (WmC), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:34 (ten months ago) link

Jesus

― I can't dérive fifty-feev (Noodle Vague)

sounds like somebody needs to read irenaeus

errang (rushomancy), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:35 (ten months ago) link

Peter also "died" during Kraven's Last Hunt.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 06:44 (ten months ago) link

IIRC DC meant to kill Nightwing in the Infinite Crisis, but they changed their mind and offed Superboy instead. So Dick Grayson really seems to be the answer to this question, unless someone can come up with a better example?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:11 (ten months ago) link

Dick Grayson gets killed by Luthor during Forever Evil.

Admittedly it's resolved in the same storyline as he needs to die to escape the Murder Machine and is nearly immediately resurrected (also by Luthor) but he is dead dead for a very short time. This death is also what allows him to go undercover in the Grayson book in a new identity.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:25 (ten months ago) link

Ugh, Forever Evil

Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:30 (ten months ago) link

Dick Grayson is also currently 'dead' in that following being shot through the head by the KGBeast in Batman, Dick hasn't no memory of his previous life and is living as a taxi driver called Ric (which is making the current Nightwang book less than rivetting as he mainly plays pool in a bar).

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:35 (ten months ago) link

A long time since I've read it but surely the only acceptable Marvel answer is Fred Hembeck?

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:38 (ten months ago) link

They brought back KGBeast? Wow.

Ok, so Dick isn't the right answer, I wonder who is? Maybe Sue Storm then?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:46 (ten months ago) link

Ray Palmer?

He's shrunk himself into isolation plenty of times but were any of them teased as death?

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:53 (ten months ago) link

I would argue Sue Storm is more famous than Ray Palmer...?

Still curious about the Thing, though. If you don't count Secret Wars, has he ever died?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:01 (ten months ago) link

Fred Hembeck killed Sue Storm and The Thing.

In a (slightly) more serious answer, Sue's death in Secret Wars isn't an 'oh everyone dies so it doesn't count death's, it's a specific different thing. Does it even happen in Illuminati and not Secret Wars?

Talking of which, Reed killed the Thing in Latveria that time, which led to the whole FF eventually going to heaven to persuade Ben to come back to life. Jack Kirby was God in it.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:17 (ten months ago) link

This is a good question though.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:22 (ten months ago) link

Oh and there was also a future Invisible Woman that came back so two of them were in the timeline together and one of them died in a 'death of the invisible woman' storyline (unsurprisingly it was the future one).

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 10:25 (ten months ago) link

How could I have forgotten such a popular + feted work.

Love is Scarface (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:44 (ten months ago) link

it was pretty feted at the time!

https://www.tor.com/2012/07/09/the-great-alan-moore-reread-mr-majestic-voodoo-and-deathblow/

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 21:27 (ten months ago) link

That seems to have come out years after Books of Magic #3 tho, which has a similar plot.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 21:33 (ten months ago) link

iirc that has magic people in a magic chamber ruminating on a time when various different magic worlds have passed into history? the Moore story is "Superman one immortal superhero is the last being left alive at the end of time, witnessing the heat death of the universe, etc"

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:00 (ten months ago) link

Was specifically gonna mention that BoM issue (which is rad)!

Love is Scarface (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:26 (ten months ago) link

iirc that has magic people in a magic chamber ruminating on a time when various different magic worlds have passed into history?

no, Mr. E takes the kid "walking" to the end of time, it is def the heat death of the universe and is literally described as such (that's when Death shows up!)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:29 (ten months ago) link

okey doke! I still think that's "magic" though

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:48 (ten months ago) link

maybe I'm conflating with the Paul Johnson issue re ppl ruminating in a chamber

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:48 (ten months ago) link

it is magic, I don't see why that matters. I mean, Thor is magic.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:51 (ten months ago) link

it's magic that takes them there, but they are literally *there* and they interact with various entities that can see them.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:52 (ten months ago) link

The lure of alliteration overpowered my brane.

― Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:22 PM

That's the ghost of Stan Lee trying to possess you.

Kamen Rider, Ultraman, Super Sentai team, Bananaman, Darna, One Punch Man, Kick Ass & Hit Girl, The Mask, Witchblade, The Incredibles? All guesses.

The Spirit started by faking his death? Didn't The Phantom or The Shadow do something similar? The Crow and Spawn died in their origin and I bet they probably died more times.

I presume Hellboy died at some point?

Storylines discussed above sound incredibly stupid, even by DC and Marvel standards. I guess some characters are just killed off so we can get sentimental about them and then show them looking ICONIC *retch* when they come back.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 11 January 2019 19:48 (ten months ago) link

Hellboy's death is one of those 'death is not the end' stories, as quite a few of the last Hellboy comics are after he is dead and Mignola came to the end (for now). The current series are working in the 50s etc filling in stories earlier in the cycle.

earlnash, Saturday, 12 January 2019 00:38 (ten months ago) link

Was Swift from The Authority ever killed?

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Monday, 14 January 2019 03:27 (ten months ago) link

Didn't she die in a really disgusting way? I've never read it, but I remember that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 January 2019 21:29 (ten months ago) link

https://www.cbr.com/comic-characters-went-heaven-hell/

i stan corrected (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 04:48 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.cbr.com/major-superheroes-avoided-dying

Bryan Cronin recently addressed this question over at CBR, and it seems to correct answers are Nightwing, Daredevil, and Batgirl. He doesn't seemt to count DD's recent "death", though.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 11:11 (eight months ago) link

He also doesn't count Nightwang's recent death, but weirdly does count Deadpool's.

The Stephanie Brown Batgirl died also, so his last option is ruled out. (Yes I know he makes the Babs Gordon distinction but there are something like 20 years in age between the 2 versions currently in continuity - yes, I do mean Babs only versions - so all bets are off. See also Wally West, of which there are two different continuity versions at the moment and I'm willing to bet the dead one won't be dead by the end of Heroes In Crisis.)

Doesn't stand up to the academic scrutiny we applied above I'm afraid.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 11:35 (eight months ago) link

Wally West, of which there are two different continuity versions at the moment

christ i fuckin hate dc

kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 11:39 (eight months ago) link

By different, I mean the two versions of Babs are arguably the same one excepting their age - both shot by the Joker, both cured, both had a relationship with the Wang when he was Robin - but one experienced all that while at high school and the other one as an adult.

The two versions of Wally though are the ginger 90s title one (who might be currently dead) and the black Johnsiverse one.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 11:59 (eight months ago) link

i refer you to my earlier comment

kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 12:01 (eight months ago) link

See, Marvel does this stuff too but they're often able to make it coherent and fun. DC just seems like they're completely unaware of the narrative conventions which might render their bad ideas at least readable.

Goody Rickels on the Dime (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 12:24 (eight months ago) link

pro-tip for dc: rebooting your entire line every few years makes it really fuckin hard to care about what's happening month-to-month, especially when the detritus of those reboots leaves you with multiple versions of the same character which i'd venture to suggest shows your reboots aren't actually doing anything good or useful anyway

kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 12:29 (eight months ago) link

It's pretty sad that my Marvel/DC pull list went from maybe 75/25 pre-Flashpoint to a fairly consistent 98/2 ever since (and almost none of that 2% has been in-continuity material).

Goody Rickels on the Dime (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 12:51 (eight months ago) link


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