Avengers: Infinity War

Usually when I've seen 1-2 movies in a series or franchise which I consider to be Not Good I tend to throw in the towel but hey if masochism is your kink who am I to judge really

― The Mandal Brah Set (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:21 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

valid if there isnt twenty odd movies in the franchise which you know to vary wildly in quality, tone, scope, style and cast.

right?

tbc my problem w continuity and how incomprehensible it is was foregrounded in this movie by virtue of the fact that there are like literally two dozen protagonists. I get that the point was to tie all of the franchise together, but that is a *bad* point to make from a storytelling perspective - it just means there's too many fucking people and not enough screentime to make all of them consequential, or interesting, or worth including (beyond a wink-wink "spot the hero" cameo). It's just an extension of fanboy collector-mania ("collect them all!"), it runs counter to fundamental requirements of narrative.

even with something like LOTR, which had a similarly huge cast, the filmmakers were right to follow Tolkien's lead and make the hobbits the fulcrum of p much every narrative strand. that cut it down to four people you really follow, with these other ppl dodging in and out. in IW it's all flattened out, *everybody* gets their 15-minutes or whatever and it's just one half-baked course of bullshit after another.

Usually when I've seen 1-2 movies in a series or franchise which I consider to be Not Good I tend to throw in the towel

― The Mandal Brah Set (Old Lunch)

this is patently untrue based on your posting history

Spider Verse was 10x better than all the MCU shit I've seen tbh

maybe that's pushing it but man they should stick to that style or a variant of it

there's an argument to be made that Infinity War is a post-narrative movie of sorts

Everyone get a quip or two, their splash page moment, and you fill in the rest based on what you know about them from their own films. It's essentially a delivery vehicle for these big "moments" - I guess more akin to a theme park ride or something

I definitely don't disagree that it's overstuffed, but as an attempt to realise the giant comics crossover on screen I think it's pretty successful (certainly more succesful than 99% of giant comics crossovers)

lotr had only nine really central characters, four of whom are comic relief and one of whom gets proper killed pretty quickly

i dont even know where youd begin totting up how many central characters avengers movies have, let alone the dozen-movie strands of backplot and supporting. im not convinced theres a way to make it work tbh.

should have started killing em off starting at avengers 2

xp i think nn is right. i just think its bad.

fuckin psyched for when abrams picks up wheel of time tho but

whedon

fuckin whatever

LOTR is also a direct adaptation of an existing three-act narrative (and it still managed to be unwieldy as fuck)

well jackson yknow

not someone I would invoke as an exemplar of narrative discipline alright

what a huge waste of resources, money and effort

why do you hate job creators

Fwiw I think giant crossover events suck in comics form too, for all kinds of reasons, some of which apply for films as well.
Xps

not someone I would invoke as an exemplar of narrative discipline alright

except that he was, right up until the first LOTR

that was a different guy

shakey and dm otmfm, I have been marched through these wastelands of CGI sludge and thumbnail plots by my otherwise delightful daughters, and nothing can redeem most of them

oh dang the emperor has no clothes

I have been debating watching Infinity War on Netflix, and the problems shakey outlined are pretty much why I've been holding off. They've been building up to this film for so long, and I just don't care about this culmination or the millions of characters involved. The Avengers films have mostly been a let down for me.

OTOH, I finally got around to watching Black Panther, and I liked it well enough. Yeah, Killmonger was maybe too sympathetic, but wasn't that the point?

Usually when I've seen 1-2 movies in a series or franchise which I consider to be Not Good I tend to throw in the towel

― The Mandal Brah Set (Old Lunch)

this is patently untrue based on your posting history

― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, January 2, 2019 6:32 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sic u made the classic mistake of assuming I possess a degree of taste and discernment which allows me to identify Not Good things as Not Good which is itself refuted by my posting history and I declare this a checkmate sir, good day to you

not someone I would invoke as an exemplar of narrative discipline alright

except that he was, right up until the first LOTR

I'd say until King Kong - he cut a tonne of stuff from LOTR, then decided to make a three hour film where the best way to experience it is to walk in after an hour.

Ah Jesus he's directing the next Tintin film.

(I liked Infinity War pretty good for what it is, like if someone managed to make a cathedral out of cheese - you may as well enjoy it, there probably won't be another like it again)

OL - I was thinking eg

I'd say until King Kong - he cut a tonne of stuff from LOTR, then decided to make a three hour film where the best way to experience it is to walk in after an hour.

I slept through a solid 45 minute chunk of the first LOTR in the cinema and still walked out not feeling like I'd missed anything

even if you love the LOTRs, in whatever form, you can't argue that they are not more languorous than Bad Taste or Braindead or Forgotten Silver

I'm guessing you knew what you were missing, though?

They're definitely more languorous, but the plot for the first two of those mentioned films could be written on the back of a napkin - I'm not sure you could get LOTR into a shorter form without significant damage.

As I say that I'm sure that there's a super cut of 'just the Frodo and Sam, none of that other shite"

ill kill fuckers

the plot for the first two of those mentioned films could be written on the back of a napkin

one might then point to said napkins as signal examples of narrative discipline, good to have you on board

there are only seven basic napkins

The rest are paste

it's just one half-baked course of bullshit after another.

New board description plz

TBF sometimes I don't bother to bake my bullshit at all

my posts are bullshit carpaccio

I would've preferred Thanos' original motive, NIHILISM why because he's in love with DEATH, or Darkseid's anti-life equation, which at least have some semblance of internal consistency/logic.

I guess there was a new sorta teaser/trailer? Anyway, all's quiet on the Fox front, but I wouldn't be shocked if when they bring everyone back, they hint that some new folks (Fantastic Four?) might be back with them.

I also assume there will have to be some serious time travel involved in this one, since if half the population vanished civilization would pretty much be over.

New trailer makes it look like if The Leftovers was resolved with space punching

xp Today's homework: the wiki section on Pandemics.

TBF there are few things that can't be resolved with space punching.

i haven't yet seen the leftovers and now, given simon's implication that it is not resolved by space punching, i don't think i ever will

When/if they do incorporate the FF, I look forward to whatever metacomment Cap makes about Johnny Storm (too bad Killmonger won't be around to do likewise).

chris evans' cap will have been recast with michael chiklis by then, adding even more depth to the humour

It will be the deepest humor you ever encountered, so deep.

i'm pretty sure killmonger will be return, if only in the very last shot of BP2

also, see the leftovers

is it resolved by space punching? if no, see previous post

is an American supernatural mystery drama television series created by Damon Lindelof <sound of a tab closing>

Mind you he brought the space punching in Kirk Vs Sherlock!

Lol we've been over this elsewhere but it's excellent and basically the anti-Lost xp

is an American supernatural mystery drama television series created by Damon Lindelof <sound of a tab closing>

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, February 4, 2019

Lol we've been over this elsewhere but it's excellent and basically the anti-Lost xp

― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, February 4

yeah i love teeing off on lindelof but this really did feel like the closest we're going to get to an apology

Season 1 of The Leftovers is really good, and surprising, but Season 2 is fucking amazing.

Bucky is... the International Assassin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c