Beastmaker - EPs 1-10
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
Yay, thank you for doing this! Will sort out some nominations soon.
― tangenttangent, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
Apparently nominations should be bolded. My mistake; I'm the new guy!
Yob - Our Raw HeartSleep - The SciencesGhost - PrequelleThy Catafalque - GeometriaMournful Congregation - The Incubus of KarmaPillorian - Obsidian ArcKhorada - SaltEvoken - Hypnagogia
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
ok i'm new to this, are there nom limits? if so what are they?
― errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link
Anicon - Entropy MantraArgonavis - Passing the Igneous MawBasalte - VertigeBurial Invocation - AbiogenesisChurchburn - None Shall Live… The Hymns of MiseryConvocation - Scars AcrossConvulsing - GrievousDeafheaven - Ordinary Corrupt Human LoveDet eviga leendet - LenienceEsoctrilihum - InhümaFluisteraars / Turia - De OordFuneral Mist - HekatombHamferð - Támsins likamHooded Menace - Ossuarium Silhouettes UnhallowedHorrendous - IdolHWWAUOCH - HWWAUOCHImperial Triumphant - Vile LuxuryInfernal Coil - Within a World ForgottenIskandr - EuprosoponKriegsmaschine - ApocalypticistsMare - Ebony TowerOrdinul Negru - Faustian NightsPaara - RiittiSacrificed Alliance - WithdrawnScorched - Ecliptic ButcherySeveroth - When the Night Falls…Skeletal Remains - Devouring MortalitySkullcave - FEARSunsunmoon - Demons in Medieval TimesTomb Mold - Manor of Infinite FormsUngfell - Mythen, Mären, PestilenzVarathron - Patriarchs of EvilVargrav - NetherstormVoodus - Into the WildWayfarer - World’s BloodWormlight - Wrath of the WildsXenoblight - Procreation
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
Would've also nominated Messa and Evoken if it hadn't been done already.
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
i'm also new to reading apparently it's right there in the first post
Self Harm - Adapt to Self-Inflicted Chemical TortureAbhorrence - MegalohydrothalassophobicAzath - Demo 2018Dead Void - The Looming SpectreGotsu Totsu Kotsu - The Final StandMadder Mortem - MarrowLecherous Nocturne - OccultaclysmicEntropia - VacuumRagana/Thou - Let Our Names Be ForgottenTeleport - The ExpansionWindhand - Eternal ReturnBlackwater Holylight - s/tMinami Deutsch - With Dim LightRamble Tamble - Outlaw OvertonesSpiny Normen - S/TUncle Acid and the Deadbeats - Wasteland
― errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
let's go ahead and get some more noms out of the way
Svartidauði - Revelations of the Red SwordVermilia - KätkytZeal & Ardor - Stranger FruitPanopticon - The Scars of Man on the Once Nameless Wilderness I And IIFeminazgul - The Age of Men is OverNeckbeard Deathcamp - White Nationalism is for Basement Dwelling Losers
i know somebody was going to nom neckbeard deathcamp, figured i might as well get it over with
― errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
Hamferð - Támsins likam
― pomenitul
i hope these guys become famous and bad so i can snidely refer to them as "hamtaro"
― errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
It came out in 2017 but given its impact this year, I'd also like to nominate:
Threatin - Breaking the World
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
I think it's pronounced 'hamferth'.
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
Or 'hamferd'. Any Faroese among us?
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
no, but wikipedia has some light to shed on it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eth
i'm not going to pronounce that letter as a "d" because it might be taken as offensive
― errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
i suppose i could do "hamfart", that would be sufficiently juvenile
Ferð is apparently cognate with the German Fahrt and the obsolete English word ferd, which means 'journey'/'voyage' and/or 'army'/'host'/'company'.
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
Wouldn't be surprised if the ham were cognate with home. So 'the company's trip back to the homeland' or some such.
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link
Likely involves quite a few hamfarts tbf.
Frozen Crown - The Fallen KingHYVMINE - EarthquakeObliteration, Cenotaph ObscureSummoning, With Doom We ComeThe Lion's Daughter, Future Cult
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link
BTW, even though I got a shit-ton of metal promos this year, I didn't nominate any of those albums. Everything you see above is stuff I purchased on Bandcamp. I would be interested to know which nominated albums other people actually bought.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
ASG - Survive Sunriseawakebutstillinbed - what people call low self-esteem is really just seeing yourself the way that other people see youDaughters - You Won't Get What You WantEarthless - Black HeavenEntropia - VacuumHigh On Fire - Electric MessiahSorcier des glaces - Sorcier des glacesSUMAC - Love in ShadowSumac & Keiji Haino - Keep Facing Sideways, You're Too Hideous To Look At Face OnThe Skull - The Endless Road Turns DarkThe Body - I Have Fought Against It, but I Can't Any Longer.Turnstile - Time & Space
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 00:28 (five years ago) link
Tribulation - Down BelowGorycz - PiachKhanus - FlammarionKEN Mode - LovedAura Noir - Aura NoireDemonomancy - Poisoned AtonementLie in Ruins - DemiseDeszcz - IIITaphos - Come Ethereal SombernessGolgothan Remains - Perverse Offerings to the VoidLychgate - The Contagion in Nine StepsBlack Salvation - Uncertainty Is Bliss
I'm old-fashioned enough that I still like to own music. These were all purchased.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 02:15 (five years ago) link
Acherontas - Faustian EthosAct of Impalement - Perdition CultAils - The UnravelingArchgoat - The Luciferian CrownAtaraxy - Where All Hope FadesThe Crown - Cobra Speed VenomDaemogog - Anagogic ImpositionDark Buddha Rising - IIDeiquisitor - Downfall of the ApostatesDruid Lord - Grotesque OfferingsGenocide Pact - Order of TormentGhastly - Death VelourGrafjammer - Schalm & SchabauwIlsa - Corpse FortressImmortal - Northern Chaos GodsLago - Sea of DuressLLNN - DeadsMorgengrau - Blood OracleMortuous - Through WildernessMoss Upon The Skull - In Vengeful ReverenceNachash - Phantasmal TriunityPact - EnigmataPharaoh Overlord - ZeroPink Mist - Pink MistPortal - IONRebel Wizard - Voluptuous Worship of Rapture and ResponseRites Of Thy Degringolade - The Blade PhilosophicalRitual Necromancy - Disinterred HorrorScumpulse - RottenSepulcher - Panoptic HorrorSerpents Lair - Perpetual HungerSonic Poison - Combat GrindSulaco - The PrizeUrfaust - The Constellatory PracticeUsurpress - InterregnumVoivod - The WakeWolvhammer - Monuments of Ash and Bone
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 07:45 (five years ago) link
Some quick campaigning:
Sonic Poison is from very late last year and is wonderfully septic death/grind that sounds very Repulsion-influenced. Someone needs to cram this and their Harsh Demonstration tapes onto disc.
The Scumpulse album is a catchy, melodic crust/black/death hybrid that might appeal to Carcass fans.
Grafjammer isn't anything new but if you like early Carpathian Forest or Darkthrone's punky/thrashy era it's worth it. Played with vehemence.
Nachash is really good black metal album, occulty but not tediously orthodox, great epic song structures and it doesn't feel like they only listen to black metal.
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 08:00 (five years ago) link
Atka - Untitled Album 1
― errang (rushomancy), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 08:20 (five years ago) link
Howling Sycamore - Howling Sycamore
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 08:33 (five years ago) link
Khemmis - Desolation
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link
Judas Priest - Firepower
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 16:49 (five years ago) link
Here you go!
Ad Hominem - Napalm For AllÆvangelist - Matricide in the Temple of OmegaAlkaloid - Liquid AnatomyAll Souls - All SoulsAmerican Nightmare - American NightmareAnomalie - IntegraAnvil - Pounding The PavementArkona - KhramAt The Gates - To Drink From The Night ItselfThe Atlas Moth - Coma NoirAuthor & Punisher - BeastlandBehemoth - I Loved You at your DarkestBeyond Creation - AlgorythmBlack Tusk - T.C.B.T.Burn The Priest - Legion: XXCauldron - New GodsClamfight - IIICloud Rat - Clipped Beaks // Silk PanicConan - Existential Void Guardian Corrosion of Conformity - No Cross No CrownCrippled Black Phoenix - Great EscapeDead Alone - SerumDeathwhite - For a Black TomorrowDeceased - Ghostly WhiteDevil Master - ManifestationsDimmu Borgir - OenianDrudkh - They Often See Dreams About the SpringEsben And The Witch - NowhereExmortus - The Sound of SteelExxxekutioner - Death SentenceEye of Nix - Black SomniaFrost Giant - The Harlot StarGraveyard - PeaceGygax - Second EditionHaan - By the Grace of Blood and GutsHate Eternal - Upon Desolate SandsHellish - The Spectre of Lonely SoulsThe HIRS Collective - Friends. Lovers. Favorites.Horn - RetrogradHyborian - Hyborian, Vol. 1Ihsahn - ÁmrION - A Path UnknownIsenordal - Spectral EmbraceKorpiklaani - KulkijaLegend of the Seagullmen - Legend of the SeagullmenSarah Longfield - DisparityMarduk - ViktoriaMelan Selas - ReonMelvins - Pinkus Abortion TechnicianMemoriam - The Silent VigilMesarthim - The Density ParameterMirrors For Psychic Warfare - I See What I BecameMob Terror - SuperstimulusMonster Magnet - MindfuckerNechochwen - The Ancient PulseNew Ruins - New RuinsObscura - DiluviumThe Ocean - Phanerozoic I: PalaeozoicOf Feather And Bone - Bestial Hymns of PerversionOrange Goblin - The Wolf Bites BackOuter Heaven - Realms of Eternal DecayParasite Inc. - Dead and AlivePrimordial - Exile Amongst the RuinsRauhnåcht - Unterm GipfelthronRotting Christ - Their Greatest SpellsSargeist - UnboundSatan - Cruel MagicSaxon - ThunderboltSektarism - Fils de DieuSeptic Tank - Rotting CivilisationSigh - Heir To DespairSinistro - Sangue CássiaSkeletonwitch - Devouring Radiant LightSkinless - SavagerySlugdge - Esoteric MalacologySpiders - Killer MachineSpiral Skies - Blues For A Dying PlanetStone Deaf - Royal BurnoutA Storm Of Light - Anthroscene Sylvaine - Atoms Aligned, Coming UndoneTad - Quick And DirtyTengger Cavalry - Cian BiThou - MagusTile - Come on Home, StrangerTo End It All - Scourge of WomanTrappist - Ancient Brewing TacticsUniform - The Long WalkUnreqvited - Stars Wept to the SeaVeiled - Black Celestial OrbsVenom - Storm the GatesVitamin X - Age Of ParanoiaVreid - LifehungerVulcain - VinyleWake - Misery RitesWatain - Trident Wolf EclipseWitch Mountain - Witch MountainWitching - WitchingWitchsorrow - HexenhammerWrong - Feel GreatWürm - ExhumedYgfan - Hamvakból…Zeke - Hellbender
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 19:49 (five years ago) link
Closer - All This Will BeSenyawa - SujudGouge Away - Burnt SugarJóhann Jóhannsson - Mandy (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)Gnaw Their Tongues - Genocidal MajestyDaughters - You Won’t Get What You WantAndrew W.K. - You’re Not Alone
― gman59, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 19:52 (five years ago) link
I'm just now listening to new Sunwatchers; I might have to nominate this one as well
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:58 (five years ago) link
Gorod - Æthra
― Dinsdale, Thursday, 3 January 2019 05:07 (five years ago) link
Pig Destroyer - Head Cage
― Oor Neechy, Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:24 (five years ago) link
I didn't make a list this year but I'll be sure to play the home game. I will say however that this little album I only discovered the other day thanks to another forum's roundup is brilliant enough for me to sneak in here and nominate. A whacked out reimagining of Aspera Hiems Symfonia with a dead ringer for Aldrahn on vox. Apparently they've been around for a while, on Nordvis no less (owner is the aforementioned dead ringer, I think), so I dunno how I'd missed them.
https://stillaswe.bandcamp.com/album/synviljor
Stilla - Synviljor
― Devilock, Thursday, 3 January 2019 20:47 (five years ago) link
Actually there's a lot more to that Stilla than I suggested -- it's got some DHG/Moonfog elements, some Blaze in the Northern Sky guitar dirge howling, and a generally weird ambience that makes me think of Hordanes Land. But it's Swedish!
― Devilock, Thursday, 3 January 2019 21:01 (five years ago) link
oh wow didn't even know there was a new Stilla this year! Thanks.
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 3 January 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link
Serpent Column - Invicta
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 4 January 2019 08:41 (five years ago) link
wow, so many of mine are in already. only a few slipped through the cracks
Altars of Grief - IrisBetween the Buried and Me - Automata I and IIBonjour Tristesse - Your Ultimate Urban NightmareChrch - Light Will Consume Us AllDautha - Brethren of the Black SoilEigenlicht - Self-Annihilating ConsciousnessEneferens - The Bleakness of our Constant Harms Way - PosthumanHigh Tension - PurgeHuntsmen - American ScrapKalmah - PaloMammoth Grinder - Cosmic CryptMØL - JordRespire - DenouementUltha - The Inextricable WanderingVein - ErrorzoneVisigoth - Conqueror's Oath
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 4 January 2019 14:28 (five years ago) link
I'm a bit disappointed neither you nor imago have tried to make the case for Tropical Fuck Storm yet tbrr
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:37 (five years ago) link
Anyways, a few more noms:
CB3 - From Nothing to EternityDylan Carson - ConquistadorDMBQ - Keeenly
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:39 (five years ago) link
they're slightly too much not for this thread xp
― imago, Friday, 4 January 2019 18:45 (five years ago) link
yeah I'm not gonna do that. gonna work like hell to get them into the 77 tho
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:46 (five years ago) link
it is a done deal imo but yeah, think top 20
― imago, Friday, 4 January 2019 18:49 (five years ago) link
A Forest of Stars - Grave Mounds and Grave MistakesÆthĕrĭa Conscĭentĭa - Tales from HydhradhAltar of Perversion - Intra NaosBasarabian Hills - Eerie Light of FirefliesBenthik Zone - Causa modicum temporis spatiumBHL/Kallathon - Camino de GuerraDispirit - Enantiodromian BirthDunnock - Little Stories Told by GhostsEchtra -BardOEhnahre & Hadean - Rites for WinterEl Efecto - Memórias do fogoEsoctrilihum - Pandaemorthium (Forbidden Formulas to Awaken the Blind Sovereigns of Nothingness)Estuarine - Sic Erat ScriptumFaal - Desolate GriefGeryon - AstomatousGrave Upheaval - (untitled)In the Woods... - Cease the DayInhumankind - Self-ExtinctionKły - SzczerzenieMahr - AnteluxMamaleek - Out of Time
― obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 5 January 2019 15:21 (five years ago) link
Marax - The Abyss of IllusionsMonolithe - Nebula SeptemMonotheist - ScourgeNahtrunar - Mysterium TremendumNishaiar - IgewandaNishaiar - Irix ZeriusOnirism - Falling MoonOphidian Forest - votIVePanegyrist - HierurgySoldat Hans - es tautSpectral Lore/Jute Gyte - HelianUrarv - ArgentumVihameditaatio - Demo IVihameditaatio - Demo IIVolahn/Xaxamantza - Gods of PandemoniumVouna - VounaYhdarl - Loss
― obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 5 January 2019 15:37 (five years ago) link
wow is that Sepulcher good!
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 5 January 2019 16:20 (five years ago) link
1914 - The Blind Leading the BlindAkitsa - CredoAlrakis - Echoes from η CarinaeAmorphis - Queen of TimeAnachronism - OrogenyAtavisma - The Chthonic RitualsAvslut - DeceptisThe Beast of Nod - Vampira: Disciple of ChaosBlood Red Fog - Thanatotic SupremacyCantique lépreux - Paysages polairesCarpe Noctem - VitrunCemetery Urn - Barbaric RetributionChaos Echœs - MouvementCosmic Church - TäyttymysCraft - White Noise and Black MetalCult of Occult - Anti LifeCultes des Ghoules - Sinister, or Treading the Darker PathsDeath Fortress - Reign of the UnendingDécembre Noir - Autumn KingsEntropy Created Consciousness - Impressions of the Morning StarFórn - Rites of DespairHissing - Permanent DestitutionHyperdontia - Nexus of TeethImmortal Guardian - Age of RevolutionKing Goat - Debt of AeonsKrakow - MinusKroda - SelbstweltLik - CarnageMalsanctum - MalsanctumMortis Mutilati - The Stench of DeathMylingar - Döda DrömmarNone - Life Has Gone On Long EnoughNachtlieder - LynxOutre - Hollow EarthSoliloquium - ContemplationsSpectral Wound - Infernal DecadenceSunless Dawn - TimeweaverUada - Cult of a Dying SunUndersave - Sadistic Iterations... Tales of Mental RearrangementWiegedood - De Doden Hebben het Goed III
― pomenitul, Saturday, 5 January 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link
Here is this year's Decibel EOY list
40 Panopticon, The Scars of Man on the Once Nameless Wilderness I and II, Bindrune39 Hate Eternal, Upon Desolate Sands, Season of Mist38 Cosmic Church, Tattymys, Self-released37 KEN mode, Loved, Season of Mist36 Monster Magnet, Mindfucker Napalm35 Wake, Misery Rites, Translation Loss34 Thou, Magus, Sacred Bones33 Zeal and Ardor, Stranger Fruit, MVKA32 Devouring Star, The Arteries of Heresy, Dark Descent31 Corrosion of Conformity, No Cross No Crown, Nuclear Blast30 Sepulcher, Panoptic Horror, Edged Circle Productions29 Svalbard, It’s Hard To Have Hope, Translation Loss28 Horrendous, Idol, Season of Mist27 Abhorrence, Megalohydrothalassophobic, Svart26 Visigoth, Conqueror’s Oath, Metal Blade25 Mortuous, Through Wilderness, Tankcrimes24 Portal, Ion, Profound Lore23 Mournful Congregation, The Incubus of Karma, 20 Buck Spin22 Sleep, The Sciences, Third Man21 Funeral Mist, Hekatomb, Norma Evangelium Diaboli20 Outer Heaven, Realms of Eternal Decay, Relapse19 Varathron, Patriarchs of Evil, Agonia18 The Atlas Moth, Coma Noir, Prosthetic17 Tomb Mold, Manor of Infinite Forms, 20 Buck Spin16 Satan, Cruel Magic, Metal Blade15 Chapel of Disease, …And as We Have Seen the Storm, We Have Embraced the Eye, Ván14 Deafheaven, Ordinary Corrupt Human Love, Anti-13 Voivod, The Wake, Century Media12 Haunt, Burst Into Flames, Shadow Kingdom11 At the Gates, To Drink from the Night Itself, Century Media10 Pig Destroyer, Head Cage, Relapse9 Khemmis, Desolation, 20 Buck Spin8 Immortal, Northern Chaos Gods, Nuclear Blast7 Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats, Wasteland, Rise Above6 Skeletonwitch, Devouring Radiant Light, Prosthetic5 Judas Priest, Firepower, Columbia4 Evoken, Hypnagogia, Profound Lore3 UADA, Cult of a Dying Sun, Eisenwald2 Tribulation, Down Below, Century Media1 YOB, Our Raw Heart, Relapse
Out of this only four albums have yet to be nominated: Devouring Star, Svalbard, Chapel of Disease, and Haunt
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 5 January 2019 20:33 (five years ago) link
xxp right?! love that record, even the dude's crazy raspy voice
also might as well do this Chapel of Disease, …And as We Have Seen the Storm, We Have Embraced the EyeCaustic Vomit - Festering Odes to Deformity
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 5 January 2019 22:03 (five years ago) link
I'll round it out:
Devouring Star - The Arteries of HeresySvalbard - It's Hard to Have HopeHaunt - Burst Into Flames
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 6 January 2019 13:17 (five years ago) link
One more:
Uncreation - Overwhelming Chaos
― o. nate, Monday, 7 January 2019 01:00 (five years ago) link
We'd probably have to un-nominate a great deal if we were to carefully comb through every lyric. I'm afraid this kind of hateful bullshit is statistically inevitable in a genre that prides itself on exploring the darkest recesses of the human psyche. That said, these lyrics cross the red line for me and I certainly won't be voting for Nécropole.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:16 (five years ago) link
I'm removing Nécropole. and lj quit nominating thumpermonkey, they are not metal!
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:12 (five years ago) link
Is there a tribunal
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:22 (five years ago) link
Apparently so.
And as an addendum to my post upthread, I'd like to point out that the Divine Marquis was no antisemite.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:37 (five years ago) link
"Hateful bullshit" isn't inevitable if you strongly vet your BM bands beforehand. Will concede that I may not be on 100% solid ground as I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to, say, folk/"pagan" bands so long as it manifests itself as nature worship or ancient folklore etc and there are no obvious signifiers of nationalistic crap. There might be stuff that slipped through the net, maybe you're right, this shit's inevitable and I'm too naive but I like to hope not.
Really though thanks for bringing up this band as I now know to avoid them. But look, you don't have to find excuses for this stuff, it's not necessary, there is no historical or philosophical context that could make lyrics like the ones you brought up acceptable.
― don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 19 January 2019 18:18 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I don't think I was trying to 'find excuses' for this band or I wouldn't have brought up their antisemitism in the first place.
If we're gonna follow this through to the end, though, we also need to think about how we tend to give a free pass to older, canonical Norwegian BM acts: Emperor, Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone and Gaahl have all crossed the line at various points in their careers (in different ways and to varying degrees). And if we move past the narrow purview of BM, should we squelch Gesualdo or Wagner or Sibelius altogether? Or Pound or Céline or Dalí? Historical distance attenuates the sulfur somewhat, yet it is often deceitful. For instance, because Vikernes is older and the controversy surrounding him began so long ago, I don't think about his extramusical persona when I listen to his albums, whereas Nécropole released their debut EP in 2014, which makes them more present and palpable, as it were (not to mention the current international context means I have less patience than ever for this kind of crap). Yet Vikernes, even though he retired his Burzum moniker last year, is still very much alive, running a neopagan enclave with his 'Aryan' wife in the Limousin – his views don't appear to have shifted all that much over the years. Perhaps we should keep that in mind next time we listen to Filosofem?
Familiarity with the language makes a difference, as well. I can't in good conscience listen to Peste noire because Famine's lyrics leap out at me and make me feel like I'm at a French skinhead rally. But I can never quite catch the Norwegian racist slur (penned by Vikernes iirc) on the über-classic™ that is Transilvanian Hunger. All in all, I guess I prefer sticking to the Wagner/Heidegger line of defence: both were antisemitic pieces of shit, no doubt about it, but the former influenced Mahler and Schoenberg, whereas the latter's philosophy left an indelible mark on Arendt and Derrida (all four were Jews), which goes to show that, yes, it is possible to divorce the person from their work (assuming it's of some import), at least in part and as long as you're willing to go through all the necessary caveats, understand where it all went wrong and rework it accordingly. Nécropole's case is thankfully clear-cut but I don't like the notion that we don't need to know more about the context. Listening responsibly also consists of parsing said context (which is why I looked up the lyrics after reading a disturbing review of Solarité in a French e-zine), of trying to understand what draws a certain strand of young white men to this garbage, just like I'm also interested in why certain young men are attracted to incel culture. So it's not about contextualizing for the sake of excuses but about trying to understand where the hatred is coming from and what it means, if that makes sense.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 20:00 (five years ago) link
All in all, I guess I prefer sticking to the Wagner/Heidegger line of defence: both were antisemitic pieces of shit, no doubt about it, but the former influenced Mahler and Schoenberg, whereas the latter's philosophy left an indelible mark on Arendt and Derrida (all four were Jews),
why must you leave oor neechy out of this?
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:05 (five years ago) link
Anyway the dividing lines for the poll have always been the actual lyrics. If pointed out (usually i cant make any out tbh)
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:13 (five years ago) link
I'm pretty sure jjj banned Peste Noire one year despite the fact he enjoyed the actual music.
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:14 (five years ago) link
To be clear on this, can we get nominations removed for anti-christianity or disproportionate violence in the lyrics?
― Siegbran, Sunday, 20 January 2019 11:49 (five years ago) link
I assume any extreme non-racist material is fine. Bands who openly oppose Islam would make for an interesting litmus test.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 20 January 2019 12:02 (five years ago) link
pomenitul 'making excuses' was an unkind reading of what you were saying, sorry about that. I didn't consider the angle you're taking as my attitude towards racists and anti-semites is without nuance or sympathy, they made the choice to be that way and I don't care about the why.
I've just made the personal choice to not to listen to certain bands on ideological grounds, while a) admitting I can only be less than pure in that regard and make exceptions if and when I want and b) leaving anyone else to draw their own lines. Incidentally I'd think Burzum was absolute dull dogshit on a musical level even he wasn't the way he is and I've never heard an avowedly leftist BM band that wasn't a bit poor. So it's not all about politics.
As far as the poll's concerned I think we can all parse the difference between OTT violence, cartoonish anti-christianity and actual racism/hate speech. I'm not clamouring for anything to be removed as again, anyone else can make their own decisions. But even if we combed through every nom and removed anything even slightly dodgy, this is a poll on an obscure music forum, it wouldn't be the thin end of the wedge.
― don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Sunday, 20 January 2019 13:25 (five years ago) link
pomenitul - i've thought a great deal about this myself. in the past i was in theory a "separate the artist from the art" kind of person but in practice i can't actually do this sort of thing. my personal guidelines is "no cadaver synods" - if someone's dead they get a free pass. when the artist no longer lives i can generally separate the artist from the art. having said that, however, i am so repulsed by florent schmitt that i am unable to do this in his case.
regarding anti-islamic music - thoughts on someone like abu lahab?
― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Sunday, 20 January 2019 13:57 (five years ago) link
I'm not sure that I'll be seriously participating in the poll (I'll probably follow it, but doubt that I'll vote), so please discount my vote-to-ban yesterday accordingly. People who are more serious about the poll should have more say.
― jmm, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:12 (five years ago) link
As far as anti-Islamic BM goes, I assume bands that come from Muslim-majority countries would be acceptable (Ayat, for instance). Jewish BM bands heavy on the anti-Judaic (but not antisemitic, obv.) rhetoric would probably be alright as well. Basically any theological contestation from within the community at large is fine, so Abu Lahab (which I wasn't familiar with btw, I'll have to check his stuff out) would be fine in my book. These are easy enough. But what about a European band like Taake? If your goal is to blaspheme against all monotheisms, where do you draw the line? (The 2007 Swastika scandal gave us a pretty good sense of where their allegiances lie, though Hoest argues that their entire shtick 'is built upon provocation and anything evil'.)
― pomenitul, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:40 (five years ago) link
things were much easier in the old days with totally pished metal bands on lilos in swimming pools
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:53 (five years ago) link
when the average metalhead would be inspired "hey I could do that".
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:54 (five years ago) link
The discussions around Slayer back in the 80s were the same, it’s really nothing new. All the arguments back and forth are well-worn.
I personally don’t see the point of “extreme metal (but not too extreme)” but I’m not running this poll. I’ll just nominate and vote and if the results will be sanitized then so be it.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 20 January 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link
https://i.redd.it/5m36cu4m6mb21.jpg
― pomenitul, Sunday, 20 January 2019 21:49 (five years ago) link
save us seandalai
― Oor Neechy, Monday, 21 January 2019 01:03 (five years ago) link
I've never heard an avowedly leftist BM band that wasn't a bit poor
ultros, your rym account is how I'd found out about that Sordide record from a couple years ago that I ended up really loving, so it's funny to hear you say this
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 21 January 2019 06:09 (five years ago) link
This study is required reading then:The Devil is Red: Socialist Satanism in the Nineteenth Century
Abstract:
During the nineteenth century, socialists all over the Western world employed Satan as a symbol of the workers’ emancipation from capitalist tyranny and the toppling of the Christian Church, which they perceived as a protector of this oppressive system. Starting with the English Romantics at the end of the eighteenth century, European radicals developed a discourse of symbolic Satanism, which was put to use by major names in socialism like Godwin, Proudhon, and Bakunin. This shock tactic became especially widespread in turn-of-the-century Sweden, and accordingly the article focuses on the many examples of explicit socialist Satanism in that country. They are contextualized by showing the parallels to, among other things, use of Lucifer as a positive symbol in the realm of alternative spirituality, specifically the Theosophical Society. A number of reasons for why Satan gained such popularity among socialists are suggested, and the sometimes blurry line separating the rhetoric of symbolic Satanism from actual religious writing is scrutinized.
― Siegbran, Monday, 21 January 2019 12:32 (five years ago) link
xp lol blame my poor memory. Though to be fair it's been over 2 years since I last heard that album or even thought about it, and apparently I wasn't overly impressed anyway.
― don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Monday, 21 January 2019 14:48 (five years ago) link
hey guys there's no excuse for "I missed the nominations" this time. If you have anything you want to add you're in luck
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:58 (five years ago) link
Can I still nominate Ascension - Under Ether - I didn't see it listed. Also Svartidauði - Revelations of the Red Sword is listed twice.
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link
Also Cult Leader - A Patient Man and Pale Divine S/T, please.
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link
Ugh - sorry - House of Atreus - From the Madness of Ixion , too, please?
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:58 (five years ago) link
Augury - Illusive Golden Age Holy Grove - II Dunbarrow - Dunbarrow IIUlthar - Cosmovore Psycroptic - As the Kingdom Drowns Embrace of Thorns - Scorn Aesthetics Mongrel's Cross - Psalter of the Royal Dragon Court Deathhammer - Chained to Hell Arsis - VisitantFaustcoven - In the Shadow of Doom
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link
added
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:44 (five years ago) link
Astronoid, yes.
― Ian Grey, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 08:07 (five years ago) link
Closet Witch - Closet Witch
if it's not too late
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 08:19 (five years ago) link
got it
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:29 (five years ago) link
I think voting might be able to start around friday/the weekend im not sure though.
― Oor Neechy, Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
Here's an aggregate EOY list, should it spark any last minute ideas:
http://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2019/01/25/metal-journalisms-top-30-albums-of-2018/
― pomenitul, Friday, 25 January 2019 19:20 (five years ago) link
Metal coverage continues to fall further from the mainstream: Over the past two years of writing these articles I’ve focused on the trend of metal falling out of favor with bigger, more mainstream publications, especially print newspapers. In the past few years we’ve seen a major contraction in metal coverage – extensive or even cursory – over many websites and publications. Unfortunately this appears to be a trend with no real end in sight, and we can add yet another publication of note to the list who has dropped their coverage and didn’t even bother publishing a year-end list for 2018: UK’s The Guardian. Perhaps it seems strange now that such an institution ever covered metal in any serious way, but given that the New York Times still had a full-time music journalist covering metal up until a couple of years ago, it shouldn’t. It’s a shame that as metal has continued to grow and advance and, ironically, be more accepted in the mainstream as possibly ever, it’s becoming harder and harder to access high-quality writing and coverage on it. In that sense it’s no surprise that what remains feels like it lacks in diversity and curation beyond the biggest names from the biggest labels. In many ways metal journalism is fighting for its life, and for many reasons signs point towards it losing that fight.
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 25 January 2019 19:37 (five years ago) link
So, when's the voting deadline?
― imago, Sunday, 27 January 2019 14:11 (five years ago) link
It's almost certainly too late, but just in case:
Mansion - First Death of the Lutheran
― tangenttangent, Sunday, 27 January 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link
only the drugs can tell us that, imago.
I've added it, is it imago's band?Mansion - Attack of the Death Grey Lantern?
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 16:47 (five years ago) link
the og plan was to have voting end a week after big poll rollout but the delay there has put paid to that most likely as 2018 was so long ago now!
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:08 (five years ago) link
on the bright side there is no excuse for not having heard all the albums you want to now to top up what you heard the entire year since the noms started a month ago
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
rights the drugs family and I have consulted and it will be a 2 week voting period so the results rollout the monday after the big albums poll.
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link
voting hopefully will start tonight or tomorrow
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:51 (five years ago) link
Nominations now CLOSED.
Voting will be live shortly
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 22:01 (five years ago) link
The 2018 ILX Metal n' Heavy Rock Poll VOTING + CAMPAIGNING thread! Ballots due Saturday, Feb. 2nd!
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 27 January 2019 22:10 (five years ago) link