Louie (Louis C.K.'s show on FX)

tbf he said he would listen, not that he would like understand or grow as a result

i undeerstand comics wanting to be edgy but, like that Kevin Hart tweet, this isn't funny. be edgy if you want but have a goddamned joke. "i'd beat up my gay kid" and "kids survived shooting, who cares" are not funny jokes.

“I'm saying, Come on, the global warming thing? How did the ice melt during the ice ages? Was the dinosaurs driving SUVs around back then?” pic.twitter.com/eL4h1Y316L

— Paul F. Tompkins (@PFTompkins) December 31, 2018

jfc he's just gonna go full Dennis Miller isn't he

Dennis made a play for respectability in the right wing circles. Louis still wants to be a rogue naughty boy like Joe Rogan or whatever.

FYI, the PFT tweets are just mocking japeries of the CK set.

I think there's a lot of bad faith readings of this stuff, but Louis most definitely forfeited his stake in the good faith reading industry

I think there's a lot of bad faith readings of this stuff, but Louis most definitely forfeited his stake in the good faith reading industry
― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, December 31, 2018 11:29 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Whiney what is the bad faith reading of that clip? Or, conversely what is the good faith reading?

my guess is the good faith reading of this sort of thing is that he's playing a "clueless character", which a lot of edgy liberal comics use as an excuse to do this sort of humor. i believed it with CK for a long time, tbh

that trans bit is considerably worse than Chappelle's (also controversial) handling of same in his last set of specials imo

like, Chappelle used trans ppl as a punchline and then felt kinda guilty about it and examined it and wrestled with it in his set, expressed sympathy etc.

maybe Louis did too, I sure as shit am not listening to that bootleg set to find out so someone else will have to tell me

i undeerstand comics wanting to be edgy but, like that Kevin Hart tweet, this isn't funny. be edgy if you want but have a goddamned joke. "i'd beat up my gay kid" and "kids survived shooting, who cares" are not funny jokes.

its weird b/c he was one of the very few comics who was good at straddling that line. its as though he felt he spent so much time trying to be open-minded and sympathetic and now feels deeply wounded that people won't accept his apology so he's lashing out by transforming his act into "being open-minded and sympathetic to others is stupid, lol"

One thing I find notable about Louis's fall away and pivot is that fellow comics are pulling no punches. They're as pissed at him as the rest of us are, and they're usually the first ones—no matter how woke they claim to be—to say "you can make anything into a joke, so don't be oversensitive."

Ricky Gervais & Louis C.K. pic.twitter.com/V3fvOzbBxK

— left? at MY london? (@LeftAtLondon) December 31, 2018

ouch

my guess is the good faith reading of this sort of thing is that he's playing a "clueless character", which a lot of edgy liberal comics use as an excuse to do this sort of humor. i believed it with CK for a long time, tbh

― Nhex, Monday, December 31, 2018 12:38 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I mean, I think the Parkland stuff especially would have absolutely played like this in a world where Louis wasn't so fraught with baggage.

I mean, also, that would also be the world where the media wasn't breathlessly listening to bootlegs of stand-up because the person in question is a deluded sex criminal

https://i.redd.it/fqkv22n1fn721.jpg

where has that dude been? the right wing loves these kinds of people

same people outraged by Wolf's "smoky eye" joke huh

do you even garbage

— tumblr simulator (@TumblrSimulator) December 25, 2018

maybe he realizes that there's no hope of winning back the non-asshole set?

maybe he's just an asshole

^there we go.

your mind will be freed if you start looking at things that are said and done independently, and not look for which group it's trying to appeal to

maybe he's just an asshole

He's a comedian, so seems highly likely.

yeah I didn't mean to imply that he himself is not an asshole

more like "now I can be the true asshole I've always been and not try to pretend to be a thoughtful sensitive person as a smokescreen to get women to feel they can trust me before I whip it out in front of them"

I hate to be asshole's advocate, but taping the comedy cellar reminds me of Chris Rock's line:

When you’re workshopping it, a lot of stuff is bumpy and awkward. Especially when you’re working on the edge, you’re going to offend. A guy like Tosh, he’s at the Laugh Factory. He’s making no money. He’s essentially in the gym. You’re mad at Ray Leonard because he’s not in shape, in the gym? That’s what the gym’s for. The sad thing, with all this taping and stuff, no one’s going to do stand-up. And every big stand-up I talk to says: “How do I work out new material? Where can you go, if I have a half an idea and then it’s on the Internet next week?” Just look at some of my material. You can’t imagine how rough it was and how unfunny and how sexist or racist it might have seemed.“Niggas vs. Black People” probably took me six months to get that thing right. You know how racist that thing was a week in? That’s not to be seen by anybody.

sad that he can't properly workshop those school shooting jokes

But Louis is in timeout. Because of doing awful things. Now he's making awful jokes (they're not funny, his "angle" is gross"). There's literally millions of other things to make jokes about.

and literally millions of other comedians

he had his chance, he fucked it up 🤷‍♂️

AF + Chris Rock’s point about how the internet has changed the development of standup is correct but idk how much it exonerates someone like Louie. It just means comedians havevti adapt to new conditions. He is not adapting.

how awful for louis to find himself in a room where people are doing things he finds unpleasant without his consent

I'm not meaning to exonerate!

excited to see where this bit goes after all the workshopping

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dvxkcn_VAAAyKqi.jpg:small

can see why Toby Young has enthusiastically signed up for his twitter defense team, he's a classic comedian twat.

Was just coming here to post the Asian bit. Yeah, he's on a real winning streak here.

what a worthless asshole he is

Yeah this is clearly a meltdown exposing the shittiness at his core

that reads like a parody of a shitty joke

I listened to the whole thing. If this was released in an atmosphere where he wasn't a sex criminal, it would easily be his worst hour, but its honestly not all that different than what he's always done. That asian joke upthread is just the rape joke from acclaimed 2008 comedy special Chewed Up with different words. People are trying to hard to paint this as some wild left turn, but he's just a tired version of old Louie

I agree w/ that diagnosis (from the 1/3 or so of it that I listened to). I was expecting guilty lols but really there were just none

Based on the little I heard, it's worth noting how shitty a year HE had, how many shitty things happened to HIM, without a glimmer of recognition that he brought any of that shittiness on himself.

xp yeah, i had the same experience listening to some of this. why he would choose to stick his head out as a performer with anything less than deeply consider material and a desire to try to right his wrongs is mystifying; to do so with this garbage is unresolved hubris at a titanic scale.

If this was released in an atmosphere where he wasn't a sex criminal, it would easily be his worst hour, but its honestly not all that different than what he's always done. That asian joke upthread is just the rape joke from acclaimed 2008 comedy special Chewed Up with different words.

Lol funny how context is everything when it comes to comedy. Its as much about who is saying it and how they say it and under what circumstances as it is the words themselves.

Lol funny how context is everything when it comes to comedy.

If you actually believed this you wouldn't be on ILX calling a block of text a "meltdown"!

I was referring more to his past year and not that block of text specifically

If LCK had any sense, he would drop out of the public eye completely and just work behind the scenes on Pamela Adlon projects.

Yeah, this about sums it up

everyone talks about the privilege in being a rich white man but no one ever mentions the apparent evil curse that comes with it that prevents you from ever just enjoying your money and shutting the fuck up

— maura quint (@behindyourback) December 31, 2018

I believe Adlon no longer wishes to work with him.