did dude just shit on "Time of the Season"
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:34 AM (twenty hours ago)
i think he also just shit on "no reply" (tho, as so often with greil, you can't always be sure -- i assumed for years he hated the faces because of a line in his old rod stewart essay that seemed like a dismissal, but he said recently in the ask-GM column that he loved them).
somehow i'd missed that the shangri-las aren't in the hall of fame -- that's inexcusable.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 27 December 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
I thought he was being out and out dismissive of the Zombies, describing the first hits as "effectively" Beatles-esque before bringing in the genuine article for comparison (BTW, were the Zombies included in his discog in Stranded? Don't have a copy anymore to check.) Which is classic Greil down to how off-base it is as an argument--I get a feeling he hasn't heard much else of their work since it was new, and if he had, perhaps he'd realize there was way more to the band than the three hits.
He's right that The Shangri-Las should be considered, although it's understandable that they haven't given the bias of the voting body towards Rock vs. Girl Group Pop. Looking at the inductees list (and discounting the Supremes and Martha & The Vandellas, because MOTOWN), the Shirelles ('96), the Ronettes ('07) and Darlene Love ('11) are literally the only performers from the genre that have made it in.
― Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:01 (five years ago) link
They're not as cool, but one could make the same argument he made for the Crystals, Lesley Gore, or Dionne Warwick (holy shit @ that one too).
― Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
wait, dionne warwick isn't in? wtf is wrong w/people???
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link
Slayer should be in the Hall and so should Dionne Warwick and they should collabo on a medley of "Seasons in the Abyss/Walk on By" at the ceremony
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:12 (five years ago) link
I love how the usual argument by haters against the Warwicks, etc is that "omg it's the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame", which conveniently gets ignored when one of their favorite "not rock but rock-adjacent" acts gets in.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:14 (five years ago) link
[the usual argument by haters against the Warwicks, etc is that "omg it's the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame"
instead, they should say, "oh shit, we just assumed we'd already inducted her! sorry!" that would be a better, and more believable, argument.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link
I’m gonna be hella cyclical and say the Shirelles are in b/c the Beatles, and Ronettes b/c Phil Spector.
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
*Cynical (lol)
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:23 (five years ago) link
It really should just be renamed the Pop Music HoF anyway.
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:24 (five years ago) link
It should be renamed "A List of a Bunch of Musicians"
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:26 (five years ago) link
Greenwich/Barry are in as non-performers, at least: https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/ellie-greenwich-and-jeff-barry
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link
Slayer probably is still too controversial?
― Siegbran, Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:32 (five years ago) link
oh yeah I was totally kidding about them
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link
I’m really surprised the NY Dolls aren’t in, either... How deep does the “Great Big Kiss” conspiracy go??
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:37 (five years ago) link