pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

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i'd been down to see a Roy list, list of the best Roys

flappy bird, Thursday, 27 December 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link

I really miss both The Out Door and Resonant Frequency columns. Two of Pfork's best ever.

ilxor, Friday, 28 December 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link

agreed

flappy bird, Friday, 28 December 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link

I was checking for a review of the last Drive-By Truckers album (2016) and I see that there wasn't one. It makes sense that over time Pitchfork is going to give up on bands they used to review habitually (studio, live, solo albums, comps, etc.) Are there other cases like this--where a band that used to score 8s (or higher) loses relevance and gets left behind?

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:16 (five years ago) link

sometimes it's less a conspiracy theory and more that a band is championed by one staff writer and/or freelancer who, for whatever reason, doesn't pitch the latest album

theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:43 (five years ago) link

What happens when a band loses a publicist to narrate the record, which Lost Highway did so well.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link

or, like, the writer gets the flu and by the time they no longer have the flu it's too late to pitch

theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link

not everything is an epic smoking gun

theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:51 (five years ago) link

imo too many albums

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link

I'm not looking for Cancer Man in the Pitchfork offices or anything, but it seems almost natural that once some bands hit a certain age they no longer seem a burning topic of interest.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link

they skipped some kristin hersh albums.

adam the (abanana), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:07 (five years ago) link

yeah that is an actual example of what I am talking about, I did not pitch a review of the album because I was in task hell when it came out

theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link

Ok, this The-Dream review...

On other occasions, his words are clearly meant as commands to his partner. “I’ma send a picture of your pussy to my ex’s DM/And you gon’ send a picture of my pussy to your ex’s DM,” he sings on “Yours and Mine,” granting him a measure of control over all involved.

incisive analysis to be sure but is that an accurate quote?

JoeStork, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:19 (five years ago) link

Schreiber has quit? Shit, cat.

Position Position, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:24 (five years ago) link

Yup. Here's the tweet.

I have some personal news to share today. Check out my statement below. pic.twitter.com/ooi0Dt5prN

— Ryan Schreiber (@ryanpitchfork) January 8, 2019

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:34 (five years ago) link

good riddance and eat shit

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:41 (five years ago) link

he can reduce the scores on my album reviews in hell

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:42 (five years ago) link

his mom is gonna be so irritated that he's living in her basement again, best of luck to him in his job search, might have to suck it up and get a haircut and go corporate

j., Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link

is he actually bad?

flopson, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link

yes

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link

4.6

— 😩 (@coralcola) January 8, 2019

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:54 (five years ago) link

i’ve imagined that pitchfork old heads in senior positions were the thing keeping CN execs from turning it into bustle.com for music or wtv and insisting on publishing 5 pieces of longform music criticism every day

flopson, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:59 (five years ago) link

Did you hear they were trying? Because it doesn't seem like they've been too successful (except for the review part).

Evan, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:04 (five years ago) link

nah just my imagination

kinda funny that schrieb still rides for hell hath no fury https://pitchfork.com/features/5-10-15-20/pitchfork-founder-ryan-schreiber-on-the-music-of-his-life/

flopson, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link

it's not like you just stop being a hack

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link

they should republish that john coltrane review in his honor

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:12 (five years ago) link

brutal

I moved to New York a few years before I turned 35, and by then I was fully embedded in the scene—it was the peak of NYC DIY culture. It was such a wildly special time for me. [DIY venues] 285 Kent, Death by Audio, Glasslands were all on the same block. There was always a show happening every single night. It was the height of the chillwave era.

flopson, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:12 (five years ago) link

I had managed to get myself on the mailing list for, like, every record label in existence. That was a big part of my motivation early on. Once I found out that they could send me free music I was like, “Game over, this is what I’m doing.

Hmm

i stan corrected (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:14 (five years ago) link

tt

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:37 (five years ago) link

So why is he so bad & hated?

Evan, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:44 (five years ago) link

So why is he so bad & hated?

Because he founded Pitchfork.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:06 (five years ago) link

boring

flopson, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:16 (five years ago) link

I've met him four times and it's like I'm meeting him for the first time.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:19 (five years ago) link

maybe he will return to ilx now that he is retired from p4k

marcos, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:21 (five years ago) link

hmmmm why would a board full of lifer freelance music critics who all had music blogs/sites in the late 90s/early 2000s hate the one guy who got lucky and had his music site blow up into the defacto authority on indie music hmmmmmm i wonder

na (NA), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link

I moved to New York a few years before I turned 35, and by then I was fully embedded in the scene—it was the peak of NYC DIY culture. It was such a wildly special time for me. [DIY venues] 285 Kent, Death by Audio, Glasslands were all on the same block. There was always a show happening every single night. It was the height of the chillwave era. We was sittin’ there watchin’ the stage. Waitin’ for the man they called Washed Out to come out and do his thing.

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:30 (five years ago) link

ya were gonna need some less petty reasons to hate him folks

flopson, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:31 (five years ago) link

my hatred is entirely personal pls fuck off flops

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:33 (five years ago) link

i know i'm being petty and boring! but this dude made me indirectly miserable!

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:36 (five years ago) link

I don't hate the dude. I was on a radio show with him once, and he was a nice enough guy.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:37 (five years ago) link

brad was pretty up front about why they disliked ryan not sure why people are hmmmm-ing it

maura, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link

i don’t have beef with the man but lol forever @ “the height of the chillwave era”

maura, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:44 (five years ago) link

I just wanted to hear some stories about him getting drunk and turning everyone's submitted 8+ scores into 6.5s or something

Evan, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:45 (five years ago) link

xpost anyone who says they remember it wasn't really there

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:46 (five years ago) link

xp i don't have any of those, doubt anyone does, doesn't matter bc he's good now

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:48 (five years ago) link

I think he's disliked because he uses phrases like, "It was the height of the chillwave era."

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:51 (five years ago) link

he founded Pitchfork.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:06 (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

twitter is bad not good (||||||||), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:52 (five years ago) link

i remember the height of the chillwave era well, winter had just come

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:52 (five years ago) link

it's not Ryan S but this is my "favorite" review from PFM:

Being the soulless, square, suburban son that I am, I can honestly say that I really haven't paid attention to rap music in a long while-- in fact, nothing's really made an impression on me since Public Enemy's Fear of a Black Planet. De La Soul, Schooly D, and the Beastie Boys' brilliant Paul's Boutique still hold a place in my Volkswagen hood ornament- covered honky heart, as well as NWA's hilarious and brutal Straight Outta Compton.

It seems rap, like most mainstream pop music, is all about making money, and just takes itself too damn seriously-- the industry's basically become a fucking zoo overrun with bellicose Uzi- toting hucksters possessing nary an ounce of talent for anything except shameless pimping. Hardly anyone seems intelligent enough anymore to touch upon what rap seemed to be all about in the first place-- scathing humor, urgent street- savvy social commentary, and beats that could still make even the stiffest ass wiggle. Then, just hours ago, I popped in the Wiseguys' The Antidote. Rap's saving grace may be upon us, people-- it's just the right blend of Miles Davis cool, warm funked- up beats, social awareness with an edgy sense of humor, and a plain ol' old school sense of fun.

Sure, I mean, the old school rappers were notorious sexists sometimes, too; but, hey so was Axl Rose, people. And plenty of cash- horny ho's like Sheryl Crow and Lucy Kaplansky now cover "Sweet Child O' Mine" like it's goddamn "Scarborough Fair." So I'll ask you, general public, what the fuck happened to Ice-T, Ice Cube, LL Cool J, the Geto Boys, and the Public Enemies of the world? And who the fuck was that overstuffed Notorious B.I.G. trash- bag and why should I give a shit that he's dead? Brotha Michael just don't understand, I guess.

Now, if I may be self- indulgent and autobiographical for a moment, I witnessed a strange rap- related phenomenon as an adolescent. During my freshman year in high school, I was forced to attend a public high school in Texas with a student body consisting of around 1,050 upper- middle class caucasians, heaped on top of the low rung of the school's socio- economic ladder: an introverted middle class white boy (me), a black kid named Chucky, and an outcast Latino named Lester. Now, because of an unfulfilled jock past, my father forced my wimp ass to play all sports-- including basketball. This meant being forced to mingle and travel with a bunch of snotty, pigmentally- deficient jocko homos, all of whom spent every waking moment attempting to live out what they felt to be the Black Experience.

Well- supplied by their rich parents, all of my peers were clothed in the latest Adidas regalia, custom NBA- quality sports wear, Nike Airs, etc. They had the jam boxes and Walkmans ablast, bobbing their heads arrythmically to Kurtis Blow, Run DMC, Cameo, and Oran "Juice" Jones-- the soundtrack to their adolescent daydreams of being nubian warriors spawned from the Ghetto streets. In the halls of that whitewashed suburban school, it wasn't uncommon to witness a group of upscale polo- shirted mama's boys form an adoring circle around an ambitious, well- heeled rhythmically- challenged kid attempting to breakdance like someone from the cast of "Breakin'," "Beat Street," "Krush Groove" or the other worm- bustin' films of the day. It was both sad and humorous, really.

What's my point? Well, after childhood experiences like the ones described above, I think it's understandable why I've always looked at rap music with a strange, paradoxical attraction/ aversion. But after an extremely circuitous route in getting to the point, I'll return to the real subject here: the Wiseguys. They bring a sense of fun, creative wordplay, a legitimate experimentalist bent, and excitement in general back to rap and hip-hop that I've really missed. I mean the dope shit just don't stop y'all. "Ho-tel, mo-tel, holiday inn..." oops, sorry. I can't help but marvel at the ingenious layered stream of beats and sounds these guys effortlessly mesh together.

Check out the Zeppelin- esque overtones on "Face the Flames." Or groove to "Cowboy '78" where they astutely sample the quirky chants from Ennio Morricone's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" theme, while also slipping in a nice little flamenco guitar passage every now and then. In this song, as is the case with most of their songs, the sound layers just keep building and expanding in density and diversity as the beat steadily rolls on 'til the final climactic end. "Cowboy '78" is probably the funkiest western rap theme you've ever heard. That is, of course, unless you're a devotee of white Middle America's favorite non- threatening unfunky homeslice, Will Smith, and his hardcore rap smash "Wild Wild West."

On "The Grabbin' Hands," the guys even manage to reference Depeche Mode's "Everything Counts" and make it groove in a context that's catchy as hell. They're lyrical acrobats, too. Check it out: "You ain't hot/ No matter how much gold ya got/ ...Crack vials/ They line the aisles/ Where I'm from/ Some brothas get wild grabbin' guns/ So I'm stabbin' one/ With my lyrical machete." And they pull at my heartstrings on the lounge-rap of "The Executives," with sampled vibraphone and some breezy Hammond organ. "Start the Commotion," boasts some of the most standout guitar sound byte sampling since the Geto Boys swiped that stunning soul- drenched riff on 1991's "Mind Playing Tricks on Me."

The Antidote forces my rigid white bones into motion, moving and shaking my skeletal structure and posterior in ways I hadn't previously thought possible. The Wiseguys' hip-hop hearts are definitely in the right place. They lay it down jazzy and smooth, baby, with just a little sprinkle of toxic humor on top. It's not exclusive stuff, either, and just when you thought everything worth sampling had already been stolen a hundred times over, they continually surprise your jaded ass.

The bubbling sonic brew on The Antidote culls its ingredients from so many varied sources, it's nothing short of astonishing. Sure, there'll always be the annoying, self- conscious white hipsters who make it a point to listen to this kind of thang just for shallow, extrinsic purposes-- like putting on a show for friends just to seem attuned to cultures more rich in musical tradition than their own. But, in the end, so what? Good music is good music. Who or whatever the hell you are, go out and discover the Wiseguys, and get down wid' da def dope hype tip, boyee. And word up, too. Sorry, readers, bear with me. My mental archive of hip-hop slang hasn't been updated since, like, 1987.

-Michael Sandlin

omar little, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:58 (five years ago) link

his writing is bad and his opinions were terrible

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:00 (five years ago) link


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