― fields of salmon, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Josh, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jordan, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.fallofrome.com/malted.jpg
― Kris, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr Noodles, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Ethnic minority Pavement fan contest - who can beat Mauritius?
― Lisa, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos III, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Josh, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
No, no, Pinefox, all I meant was something like ... various groups of people and "communities" have various musical lineages, sometimes with some overlap, sometimes not. We're typically unsurprised by this; it's perfectly natural to us that a 60-year-old Alabama black woman might listen to gospel, or that a 50-year-old stockbroker in New York might like the Rolling Stones. But a lot of rock listeners -- indie listeners, in particular -- actively fret about about black people in particular not being as involved in the indie scene. My question was: why do they fret about that, and not, say, the fact that just as few (or fewer) black people are interested in Christian country? And I know that when I fretted about not seeing a lot of other black indie fans, it was because I still thought of indie as somehow better than and smarter than and "above" other musics -- which results in this sense of "disappointment" in everyone else for not getting that. As soon as I was old enough to realize that that "better" was not only subjective but culturally conditioned, this ceased to be an issue.
― nabisco, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ray M, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Isn't it natural to concern yourself with your own scene rather than one you have no interest in or knowledge of? Maybe Christian country fans do worry about the lack of blacks in their scene? (Assuming even that there is such a lack; I wouldn't know.)
― nickn, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
(Another way of putting that last bit is something like this: when you were 13 and you and your friends were discovering and "turning one another onto" the Pixies or whomever, how many black friends were you swapping those tapes with?)
Which, incidentally, describes the other source of fretting over the racial crossover of hip-hop, apart from the top-level issue of mainstream America having to sort out its images of and relationships with black people: note that hip-hop was, up until its big pop crossover, equally horizontal, equally reliant upon a peer to "introduce" you to it. Hip-hop has gradually conquered that and made itself pop, in this reciprocal circle of white kids buying more and more of it. Indie rejects conquering it, and thus can't really make inroads beyond the "peers" of current indie listeners. The only way it will pick up bigger black listenership in the US is as white kids start hanging out more with black kids -- and not just the white kids who are already disposed to pick up on the black musical samizdat, as opposed to the other way around.
― DeRayMi, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― the pinefox, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I haven't made a post in five days, and that's the best I could come up with for my comeback. Lame....
― Dom Passantino, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos III, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― geeta, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
but I guess I could still be called a Paki, and um:
"whoa whoa whoa there! generalization city!" - agreed. a rather gargantuan generalization, right?
― V, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Unless you meant I was generalizing about the ethnic difference part, in which case I'm not so much asserting that as suggesting it. I know it's partly true for me: growing up with this sense of "difference" being hung around you can surely give you a little nudge toward a musical genre that bills itself as the "different" one.
― nabisco, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
all this begs me to ask, nabisco: what ethnicity are you? not that it's important
NU-ILM, its the new crack.
― Mr Noodles, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr noodles, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― just a friendly tip, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I hear Pervez Musharraf's a big fan. He hated "Terror Twilight", but then, didn't everyone?
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Myers, Friday, 31 January 2003 00:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
Ha! I was on the N. Side and heard Straight Outta Compton long before the Pixies or Pavement etc. But somehow I ended, lo these many years down the road, posting about Maurice Chevalier on ILX.
This post is not intended to reinforce anyone's determinism, racial or otherwise.
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 31 January 2003 00:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gaitataxia, Friday, 31 January 2003 01:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Friday, 31 January 2003 01:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
Why isn't it reciprocal? Why don't black fans packCreed shows, for example? Actually, I've never seen aCreed crowd, but I'm pretty sure that while white audiences like black music (hip-hop) it's not reallyreciprocal. Perhaps I'm wrong tho.
― Squirl_Police, Friday, 31 January 2003 03:16 (twenty-one years ago) link