It's Like Punk Rock, Only It's a Car: JSBX in a Subaru Ad

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ugh, should be pre-release

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

I'm still kind of disappointed that the famed "Where's the Cheese At?" commercial never came to pass.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

"that Levis ad kills me."

I think it's for Tommy Hilfiger, as they're label is red, white and blue. No matter, though: I agree, it's one of the worst distortions of a song for the purpose of selling merchandise. Criminal.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

let's see if we can get a consensus here.

using songs in ads because they're cool songs = okay
using songs in ads because they've come to represent something and you want your shitty jeans to represent that without actually having them do anything = sucks

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:05 (twenty years ago) link

Well, yeah. But the thing with Hilfiger's use of Fortunate Son is not just that Fortunate Son is a cool song and I hate Hilfiger jeans, but that the makers of the commercial basically edit the song so that the meaning of the song is distorted. Fortunate Son is a pretty hard-hitting tune, and COMPLETELY antithetical to the image of priveleged, beautiful people prancing around in Palm Springs or wherever. Wearing Hilfiger.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

I'm still kind of disappointed that the famed "Where's the Cheese At?" commercial never came to pass.

YOU AND ME BOTH SISTAH. You can DL the (rejected) song off of Ween's website though.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

BG: That's sort of what I mean, but probably failed to articulate. I mean, it's one thing when an ad USES a song, but another when the ad completely subverts the song's meaning/context (my fave examples of this is the Bank of Montreal's use of "The Times They Are A-Changing" and Carnival Cruises' use of "Lust for Life").
The former is, y'know, generally acceptable as byproduct of commercial age/cool people working in the ad industry/etc; the latter is uniformly reprehensible, though often funny.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

the really evil thing about the Hillfiger commercial is that it was done despite the (understandably) outraged objections of John Fogerty. For Fogerty that ad must be like watching one of his children gang-raped on national television.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

everybody get together in mass sympathy "awwwww" for john fogerty. i mean, the guy invented grunge, has no stake in his most lucrative creations, got sued for writing songs that sound like he wrote them, and then got pissed on by Whitey (by which I mean Hilfiger).

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

We have had several threads about this. Each one was very long. Maybe I need to read those again, but my feeling was that no one seriously challenged mark s's contention that if you feel an ad "distorts" or "ruins" a song for you then you're admitting that the power of that particular ad is greater than the power of that particular song; you argue that the marketing is more powerful, in this case, than the music. Actually now that I'm reading you better it sounds like you're just saying the ads make you irritated at whoever made them. I guess we're making progress here!

The world has gone musically mad

Music in Ads

I can't stand Spencer's fake-ass accent. The power of his fake accent is WAY STRONGER than the power of the rhythm section, which is a shame, because it's a great rhythm section, but it goes to show you my strange priorities. If your fake-ass accent sucks YOU ARE DEAD TO ME. And I dunno, the shirts, the shades, the total SCAREDNESS you can smell through the lights and the crowd, the impossibility of allowing anyone to see any of his vulnerability, even if it's an angry vulnerability, just kind of adds up to = first-class A-hole. YEAH, I SAID IT, A-HOLE. I still kind of like "I Dig You" though.

John Fogerty's fake-ass accent, on the other hand, rules.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

Cannot think why Pizza Hut rejected Ween's 'Where's The Cheese?' (Do not open link at work, motherfuckers.)

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

Fogerty got the shit end of the stick, no doubt.

And that Carnival use of "Lust for Life" is absolutley absurd/genius. "Do you like hard drugs and the dole? Then you'll love our cruise line!!!" Like Kathie Lee Gifford hanging out in some Glasgow shooting pad.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

(That's funny, cuz I [at work] listened to that Ween track earlier on a Ween comp. CD I made. THANK GOD FOR HEADPHONES.)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:53 (twenty years ago) link

Comparing Jon Spencer to Alice Cooper is completley without merit.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

I can't wait 'till some ad exec puts the "blowing my wad/ all over God" part of GWAR's "Death Pod" into....say...a feminine hygeine product ad.
This will truly signal that everything will be okay in the world.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 1 May 2003 20:34 (twenty years ago) link

BLOB!

bleb, Friday, 2 May 2003 07:01 (twenty years ago) link

BLOB2

bleb, Friday, 2 May 2003 07:02 (twenty years ago) link

but my feeling was that no one seriously challenged mark s's contention that if you feel an ad "distorts" or "ruins" a song for you then you're admitting that the power of that particular ad is greater than the power of that particular song; you argue that the marketing is more powerful, in this case, than the music.

Tracer - I did ask him about it, on the WHGMM thread:

'mark s - I really hesitate to question, but I don't know about what you said: I don't know what kind of contextless 'power' a piece of music can have?
Can't this be just a matter of personal connectivity and conditioning?
Isn't there any music you love that carries some cultural/personal meaning to YOU that you feel would somehow be sullied by a more generic use - do you really appreciate everything you like in that kind of isolated or socially-abstracted or impervious-to-recontextualisation way - or is it that there's no context for it that could conceivably piss you off? '

OK - that might not be a 'serious' challenge by yr (or his!) standards, but I do find his notion sort of puzzling at the same time as logically coherent.
looking at it again, i guess i'm comparing diff ways of liking diff sorts of music -
eg i like some baroque music but would not be bothered by its use in ads because it does not mean much to me wrt personal history/cultural-personal identity-formation/representation/metaphor of understanding
(but it might do to someone of a different background - or who was 300 yrs old)

mark's contention asserts its own criteria of (music)love:
'i loved that song and those gits have spoiled it now'
'well, if its that easily ruined you never *really* loved it in the first place'

so to those of us caught in the middle - 'loving' it beyond context and only 'liking' it regardless of context look like they => the same comfort-in-the-face-of-marketing-use, so each can suspect the other of being the opposite of what they think they are

i think to regard sensitivity to context as a 'lesser' form of appreciation because its makes yr love more a hostage to fortune is not an attitude we carry through unreservedly to other things unless labouring under romantic idealism - and sensitivity to those factors can be more than just 'darling they're playing our tune' sentiment or pavlovian drool

they can be regarded as part of the timber framework constituting yr music-love, not just a load of airbags attached to its barnacle-encrusted leaky hull

ppl who love the whole pop panjandrum can't have it both ways here

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:16 (twenty years ago) link


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