― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 30 September 2005 05:02 (eighteen years ago) link
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― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 3 October 2005 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link
Yeah, but the end results!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 03:00 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 October 2005 03:11 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/30/west_side_story_beco.html
http://www.boardsmag.com/articles/magazine/20050601/aice.html
http://www.aice.org/ ('Trailer Park' section)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link
The Shining Revised....oh my!
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link
someone needs to remix this movie. here's what to do:
- remove 80% of the music. too many times this movie spills into overkill because of the combination of jack nicholson + crazy modern classical music. I think nicholson by himself = already spooky (plus also funny, which is another thing the shining should have exploited more)
- ...which means you need to hire an editor to make this movie happen in under 2 hours, so all dialogue and extended pan shots of (admittedly beautiful) scenery don't go stale
- structure the movie around the bar scenes. these move at a good pace, don't have a bunch of dramatic overkill, are funny, nice to look at, and give a great idea of jack's motivation to kill, are good barometers for his madness.
- hold off on the scariest images until the end. dropping the blood coming out of elevators in the first 20 minutes is bad pacing for a movie that in general takes its time getting to the finish line
― Dominique, Monday, 26 November 2007 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link
You're silly in the head.
― Alex in NYC, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:05 (sixteen years ago) link
someone needs to remix this movie.
I mean, did you SEE that awful miniseries?!
― Eric H., Monday, 26 November 2007 12:17 (sixteen years ago) link
"remixing"/"re-imagining"/"tweaking" this film would be like taking a runny, pungent dump on "The Mona Lisa." Don't fuck with it.
― Alex in NYC, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe they could CGI Shelly Duvall out of the film and put Winona Ryder in instead, as a way of appealing to the young people. Also, they could get Greedo to shoot first.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 26 November 2007 13:19 (sixteen years ago) link
i agree with this, jack's descent into madness happens too suddenly - you don't get much of a sense of what he's actually like before he goes crazy so there's no counterpoint. then, when he does, it goes on for too long. really great movie but it's totally improvable.
― jed_, Monday, 26 November 2007 13:27 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm not so sure about holding it off until the end, though. The first shining that Danny has in the bathroom (about the elevator and the split-second splice of the twins) is very effective for presaging/foreshadowing and captures the viewer's attention quickly.
I do think when Shelly Duvall finally sees the elevator, though, it's been shown too many times by that point and not effective.
― Joe, Monday, 26 November 2007 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm trying to think if any other Great Director's Worst Film has inspired such slavish devotion...
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 November 2007 14:01 (sixteen years ago) link
I can only assume you've seen Fear and Desire. And A Clockwork Orange.
― Eric H., Monday, 26 November 2007 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link
slavish = people like it?
― remy bean, Monday, 26 November 2007 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Much as I'm totally not in the business of "improving" movies, I sort of agree with this. I never really thought it was right that Duvall literally sees the bloody elevators.
― Eric H., Monday, 26 November 2007 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link
I think the bloody elevators work best in that trailer. (Eric, I will give you Fear and Desire, I meant since Kubrick became Kubrick.)
To me to the degree it works at all it's a Grand Guignol Kramer vs Kramer, only there's no genre universe in which those 2 actors would be married to each other. I was a squeamish little teenage pussy when it debuted and it didn't scare me much.
I'll probably see it once more, thanks to the doubtsthis has planted, and be done with it forever.
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link
I think the entire movie should've taken place in the pantry.
― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link
the shining is the only post-strangelove kubrick i have any great attachment to, though i'd prob like barry lyndon more now.
the whole bit with shelley running around at the end is pretty silly, though.
― J.D., Monday, 26 November 2007 20:03 (sixteen years ago) link
you don't get much of a sense of what he's actually like before he goes crazy so there's no counterpoint
true enough, but if you're looking for observant portrayals of plausible humans that the movie seems to care about, Kubrick might not be your thing.
― kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link
honey, can't you see i'm BUSY?
― whatever, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link
also, there's more than a hint that Jack was plenty crazy long before we come in -- he's an abusive alcoholic prone to fits of rage. So when he turns raging and abusive, well... there you go. It's frightening not because "wooo! Ghosts!" but because his wife and son are familiar with this Jack already. But again, Kubrick doesn't much care about the humans in his movies, so it's all pretty fuzzy.
― kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
the shining needs a different second half. the only genuinely scary bits - the subliminal visions - are in the first.
― Just got offed, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
but don't you see he was always the caretaker!
― latebloomer, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd remix this movie by using it as kindling
― El Tomboto, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I was with Morbz re: this being Kubrick's worst movie but then I remembered Eyes Wide Shut
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
only scary part is the very end, with the boy being chased through the maze
Love the rest of the film, but it's not very scary.
― milo z, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I think my three favorite Kubricks these days are Eyes Wide Shut, Full Metal Jack and the Shining, in that order.
― milo z, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
It pains me to say this, but... the book is better.
― kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Kubrick doesn't much care about the humans in his movies
Sorry kenan, this is kind of the standard superlazy comment re SK. The conversation between Danny Lloyd and Scatman shows otherwise, I think.
The dysfunctional couple in Eyes Wide Shut is much more compelling, even if it's also hard to imagine those two actually being marri... oops.
scariest moment aside from discovery of Jack's novel:
TUESDAY
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
It's true I'm hardly going to get recognized as a thinker for accusing Kubrick of being emotionally cold, but how is it not true?
― kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
I find Paths of Glory, Lolita, Barry Lyndon, EWS all emotionally HOT at crucial junctures. (particularly their finales)
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah man paths of glory alone kinda disproves yr theory kenan
― Just got offed, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link
and I think the moment where Nicholson awakes crying from his dream of killing Danny is one of the few jolts of interest coming from that character, Big Bad Wolf shtick aside (also, good drooling).
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Kubrick is certainly misanthropic about certain types of people, but that makes him no more of a cold bastard than thousands of artistic types
― El Tomboto, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link
or me, for that matter, but I do not make movies.
― kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Sure you don't.
― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:21 (sixteen years ago) link
lol Everyone's gone to the movies, now we're alone at last.
― kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Kubrick's films (for the most part) couldn't exist if he wasn't deeply interested in people - many of them don't do much but follow the characters as they move through their lives. (That's what's interesting about the Shining, and why it's a failure as a 'scary movie' - if you re-fashioned it as above into an exciting scary movie, it would be completely forgotten.)
Dr. Strangelove, The Killing and A Clockwork Orange would be the exceptions I see - and I dunno about ACO, I dislike it too much to really think about it.
― milo z, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I think my three favorite Kubricks these days are Eyes Wide Shut, Full Metal Jack and the Shining
Replace FMJ with Lyndon and that's my top 3.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 27 November 2007 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Now I'm awfully glad you asked me that, Lloyd, because I just happen to have two twenties and two tens right here in my wallet. I was afraid they were going to be there until next April. So here's what: you slip me a bottle of Bourbon, a glass and some ice. You can do that, can't you, Lloyd? You're not too busy, are you?
― chaki, Friday, 18 January 2008 08:32 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2008/jul/03/channel4.television
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 July 2008 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link
god, i love this movie :-)
― Eisbär (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 23:48 (fifteen years ago) link