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no "impeccably liberal/left" person would even flirt with the notion of considering voting Tory.

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

She's American/Irish, she doesn't have a vote

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Fair enough. Ignorance is an excuse.

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, Americans are ignorant?

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Ignorant of the history of the Tories, why not? I'm trying to find reasons for being taken in by laffing boy Cameron.

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a oft-observed halo effect, where the first few polls after an election show a higher number claiming to have voted for the winner than actually did.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Basically, people end up voting for whoever they think is going to win.
except the people who vote Lib Dem etc?

you can still win the actual MP vote innit.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

unless you vote RESPECT and live in bethnal green

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I voted Labour in 92,97 and 01 and come from a family that has always voted Labour, but I voted Lib Dem as a protest vote last time. If there was an election tomorrow I wouldn't vote Labour, but I don't know what I'll do by the time the next election comes round. I'm prepared to give Brown the benefit of the doubt for a while once he becomes leader. I still consider the Labour party 'my' party, just one that I don't vote for under its current leadership (in the same way that Manchester United is 'my' football team, but I refuse to return to Old Trafford under its current ownership). I think I would actually like some kind of Lib-Lab coalition to get in next time.

― Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Incidentally, I'm still going to vote Labour in local elections too, because in my unitary authority area the Tories and Lib Dems have a coalition pact, and don't put candidates up against each other.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Jeez - Charles Clarke is too much:

The home secretary told a Westminster lunch the fact Mr Dromey did not know about the loans meant "you have to wonder how well he was doing his work".

It's like that Mad magazine line where a pedestrian knocked 20 feet into the air by a police car 'was today charged with leaving the scene of an accident'.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Last gen. election I had a choice between voting in Rugby and Kenilworth (Labour-held but closely contested swing seat) and Glasgow Central (strongly Labour, Tories usually poll about 5th place). I couldn't face voting Labour so I pissed my vote away on the Greens in Glasgow. Rugby and Kenilworth was won by a smarmy Tory git.

Next time, if it's the same decision again, I will probably vote Labour in Rugby, extremely begrudgingly.

― Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Meanwhile the SNP have grassed tony up to the polis.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Kenilworth deserves a smarmy Tory git.

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

what do you deserve?

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm living what I deserve, fuckface. :D

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but Rugby doesn't! They tacked on Tory heartland Kenilworth to our constituency and we hardly even border!

― Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

ihttp://www.dfes.gov.uk/inyourarea/maps/pcons/375.gif

Look at them over there on the left with their fancy castle and their Tory votes. They're nothing to do with us!

― Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Next time, if it's the same decision again, I will probably vote Labour in Rugby, extremely begrudgingly.

Yeah, ditto. I wanted to vote Lib/Dem last time but in Rugby it was a wasted vote so I voted Labour. I can't even remember the name of our Tory MP.

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

And don't get me started on the Kenilworth thing. How the Tories sneaked that little gerrymander through... grr

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

David Cameron has launched a concerted attack on Gordon Brown describing him as an "analogue politician in a digital age"

It's crap like that that make me want to vote Labour.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you really live in Rugby, Si? It is a small internet after all. Any more of us and we'll get our own regional thread.

― Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Does nobody actually care about things like ID cards, 'glorification of terrorism' act etc., preferring to quibble about how 'left-wing' they actually are? Maybe this electorate deserves them.
-- Riot Clone (disease...), March 21st, 2006.

otm

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd never vote Tory mainly because - despite the changes Cameron professes to have made - they're still the party of that racist scumbag Norman Tebbit and they also still regard that mad harridan Thatcher as some sort of goddess.

If the Lib Dems had any chance of winning a general election (or even a by-election in my constituency) I'd vote for them. But at the moment my vote can best be used keeping those evil fucking Tories out of power for as long as possible - which, however disillusioned I am with them, means voting Labour.

― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"analogue politician in a digital age"

ha! cos everyone in floating voters land, especially in the 'burbs thinks like this.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

The original quesion asker should go back to the results of the 2000 US election and note that the Ralph Nader vote would've been enough to make Gore the president. Obviously the UK system and personalities are different but consider carefully if and how you want to protest vote. Please.

― Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

They're all going "Isn't that a Bright Eyes album" for sure...

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― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

there is a far smaller gap between labour and the tories than between gore and bush (not that there was much of a gap there either...).

but shit yeah, maybe a tory government would, like bush, take us into an illegal war, increase the gap between rich and poor and clamp down on civil liberties... watch out people!

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

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Yep, born and bred in Rugby though my folks are from oop north. Live in Clifton now.

― si_c@arter, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

as i said upthread

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― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

i haven't voted labour and i v. much doubt i will. Labour owns the soul of my district anyway because it's a ghetto and labour are THE party fr 'the worker', apparently this is irrespective of how their policies actually affect the worker or how they affect anything really.

― jeffrey (johnson), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

"the soul of my district"

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost (and completely off topic)
I really like Kenilworth Castle.

But (sort of getting back to the topic) I can't believe those boundaries! Astounding bit of sneaky footwork. I'd never have put Rugby and Kenilworth together (and I speak as someone who lived in Leamington Spa for...oh far too long). When did they do that? Rugby was a classic marginal - swinging from labour to tory and back and now - pretty safe tory seat I should imagine?

Rugby has got that splendid church though...erm...St Andrews. (back off topic)

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Rugby has been a marginal since '97, when the Labour MP won by less than 500 votes. Stayed Labour in '01 by 2,877 votes, went Tory in '05 by 1,556. So we couldn't be more marginal, but if it weren't for Kenilworth. We were Labour-leaning before they changed the boundary to include in '83.

I just looked it up on Wikipedia though and look!

Following their review of parliamentary representation in Warwickshire, the seat of Rugby and Kenilworth is to be abolished.

The sucessor seats are Kenilworth and Southam, which was originally to be named "Mid Warwickshire", and a re-formed Rugby constituency.

Woohoo! Independence at last! I got confirmed in St. Andrews church, but I don't remember the inside, just the scary alley round the back. I used to hang around the graveyard sometimes in gothier days.

― Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1747771,00.html

how about now?

― Riot Clone, Thursday, 6 April 2006 07:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Does the addition of folic acid make any difference to the taste of bread?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:24 (eighteen years ago) link

that article is 100% otm.

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:31 (eighteen years ago) link

She missed out the YSI ban.

― A Van That's Loaded With Mushy Peas (noodle vague), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Curious how Melanie Phillips, say, in the Mail could have written the same article virtually word-for-word.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:34 (eighteen years ago) link

The legislative and regulatory reform bill, now entering its final stages, will let ministers alter laws by order, rather than having to argue their case in parliament.

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I see no ban on General Elections in that bill.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:44 (eighteen years ago) link

fantastic.

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:44 (eighteen years ago) link

So if people don't like what This Government are doing, they're still entitled to vote them out next time innit?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:46 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah but in the meantime the govt will continue not to educate said public in such things as the nature of english constitutional law; and any government they elected would keep the excessive powers given them by labour. it's hard to *lose* powers as a government because -- surprise! -- politicoes *like* power. so it's ID cards all round, son, whoever's in power.

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:49 (eighteen years ago) link

So in other words you're saying people are too stupid to vote. Doesn't that back up Labour's argument?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i dunno i just want the man off my mfkn back.

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Capitalism, son. It doesn't happen.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:59 (eighteen years ago) link

You may have to emigrate somewhere man-less then.

― A Van That's Loaded With Mushy Peas (noodle vague), Thursday, 6 April 2006 09:00 (eighteen years ago) link

like NORTH KOREA amirite?

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Thursday, 6 April 2006 09:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I was thinking of that island where Wonder Woman comes from.

― A Van That's Loaded With Mushy Peas (noodle vague), Thursday, 6 April 2006 09:02 (eighteen years ago) link

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