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Incidentally, the original version of the thing Chris blogged actually appeared in Piss Clear, one of the papers that's published at Burning Man.

I mean, if the haters stay home, so much the better (it's not like "no no, you just have to GO there, then you'll SEE"--if you're predisposed to hate it, you will anyway), but it's kind of disconcerting to see the knives coming out.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

hard to believe, but my question is serious: what is the currency of the BM drug economy?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:37 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.houseofhorrors.com/wicker2.jpg

Not that I'd ever go, but if I did I'd have to make myself a Christopher Lee costume.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

Christopher Lee as Yahoo Serious with Jarvis Cocker's worst suit ever.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

Douglas, my knives are out because of the kind of people I know that go to this thing and the reports they bring back. However, I've always been curious about it and I won't judge the event, just those people (and certainly not you or Geeta).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

Gygax, I am probably underinformed about that, though I have witnessed 1) one guy coming around trying to sell drugs and being totally ignored (nobody even said "no thanks"); 2) somebody that friends of mine had met the year before at BM coming by their tent to offer some surplus drugs as a present. (n.b. I am in general a deeply non-druggy type--my lifetime alcohol consumption to date is less than many people drink in a night, etc.--so have not paid that much attention.)

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

Well, we all know who's DEFINITELY going to Burning Man this year!

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:36 (twenty years ago) link

From a deeply English person it has always looked like some of the good bits of Glastonbury transported to a stupidly hot place with no public water supply that is effectly impossible to deal with without private transport. So yeah, there might be cool stuff, but I'm buggered if I'm dealing with 40 degree heat and hitchhiking to get there. Just relax a bit and have a party in a field somewhere temperate.

Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:38 (twenty years ago) link

I would so go if it were a Wicker Man festival. I wanna be Ingrid Pitt!

rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 00:23 (twenty years ago) link

I think I would only go if the KLF organized it.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

I went last year. Spent the entire week.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 01:47 (twenty years ago) link

I think there might be an east coast/west coast divide on this, since driving a few hours is much less expensive and a much more casual affair than taking a flight, and so maybe it appeals to a wider and possibly less pretentious/unbearable WC crowd. I haven't been yet, but many friends have and have had really good times, met a lot of cool people. It's expensive to get in. I like that it's pretty accepting of all ages; I'm 28 and would feel ridiculous if I started going to raves again.

chester (synkro), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

From: Ky
Date: August 23, 2003 4:41 PM
Subject: PPLO on the playa at the Wrong Side of the Trax


Message: Effective immediately, the Wrong Side of the
Trax (Dave Train) subcamp at Burning Man
currently known as the DC Crew will be
rechristened the Party People Liberation
Organization, or PPLO.

Last year, Tom Schild (current PPLO President)
ventured to the Wrong Side of the Trax at the
invitation of Yuta Lee (PPLO Ambassador to the
Dave Train).

This year, our fearless leader Tom is unable to
face the playa but vows to return next year. In
his place, a crew of 11 DC emissaries will be
representing the PPLO on the playa. I believe we
are the largest DC contingent in any camp.

Ambassador Lee arrives in Black Rock City today
for preliminary infrastructure development. Phil
Psilos (General Mayhem) will be in charge of
military operations for recreational terrorism.
In the absence of our President, I will assume
duties as Field Commander-in-Chief. (I'm
currently on TDY in the Bay Area).

We are the PPLO – The Party People Liberation
Organization. We are recreational terrorists
dedicated to decriminalizing the underground and
preserving our constitutional right to express
our individuality, dance, create house music,
celebrate life, groove to whatever makes us
groove, be freaks and, above all, assemble in
the name of love and peace!!!!

PPLO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
I Pledge Allegiance to the cause of preserving
our music and culture, and to the PPLO that
protects it, at Nation or underground, all night
long, with partying and dancing for all...

Namaste,
Ky ("Key")

Field Commander-in-Chief
PPLO (Party People Liberation Organization)
Wrong Side of the Trax (Dave Train)
3:30 Serious Authority, Black Rock City

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 23 August 2003 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

um, can we pleeeeaaasseeee differentiate between the first 3 years of burning man and the very different beast this festival became later?
I went in 1994 (i forget, it was the second year, whichever that was) and it bore NO resemblance to the silly sunbake you see today. except that we did burn a big man.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 24 August 2003 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

"the people I know and have known who go to Burning Man are among the most loathsome, flaky, obnoxious, insulated, sheltered, spoiled, and flat-out stupid people I've met (I'm talking almost exclusively about northeasterners, if there's a significant difference)."
-Tep

Hahahahahaha... yeah, generalizations about people from entire regions or countries are great. Nothing else does as good a job of bringing the ignorant flotsam of society to the surface. But I'm sure you didn't REALLY mean anything by that, did you Tep? ;)

The Man they call Dan (The Man they call Dan), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

I think he meant northeasterners who went to Burning Man, not all northeasterners.

s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

lol, all northeasteners who went to burning man--did he demand ID or what? or was it just a straw poll? ;-)

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:15 (twenty years ago) link

What slutsky said -- I'm from the northeast! (A town away from your birthplace, Dan :)) That's why I'm judging from that group: the folks I know who've gone to Burning Man are almost exclusively northeasterners (or college students at northeast schools), cause that's where I was living. It was a pretty popular thing among the Pioneer Valley kids.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm, I don't know a great deal about Burning Man, but from what I've seen, isn't it an event that happens in more than one place? I had local friends from Texas who went, but not many people in the Northeast seem to know about it. But I'm not sure, I haven't investigated it enough. Everything I've heard indicated dirty drug-fueled orgy, which might just make it the Woodstock of my generation, minus the good music. But I guess I'll have to go sometime and find out for myself... hah
Ah, I see what you mean now Tep. Otherwise I would have had to start dishing out the yankee attitude ;)

The Man they call Dan (The Man they call Dan), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:27 (twenty years ago) link

Original burning man = Black Rock. Desert near California/Nevada border, on the salt flats.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:31 (twenty years ago) link

Oh man:

GERLACH, NV—The Burning Man festival, a prominent artistic and countercultural event that draws tens of thousands of people to the Nevada desert annually, is in danger of cancellation this week because "no one had their shit together enough to even make it," organizers said Tuesday.

http://www.theonion.com/current_top_story.html

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 29 August 2003 06:20 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Quote of the week (scroll down)

"The event likes to bill itself as radical self-sustainability, but really it's an orgy of consumption," said Jack Haye, a computer modeler at Industrial Light and Magic in San Rafael. Haye was exhibiting one of his sculptures at Burning Man.

"There is way too much utilization of new materials that are wasted. How many hundreds of thousands of dollars -- or millions -- are spent in Costco in August getting ready for this?"

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

No, it's true, I made the mistake of going to Trader Joes the weekend of Burning Man and it was as if a swarm of locusts had come in.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm gonna paint my dick purple this year, I swear.

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Funny anti-Burning Man screed:

http://blog.hisnameistimmy.com/?p=12

shookout (shookout), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm gonna paint my dick purple this year, I swear.

-- sexyDancer (jjjjjjjjjjjjj...), September 9th, 2004 12:42 AM. (link)

http://shopbilder.comonline.net/pics/pa/015/picx/603218.jpg

StanM (StanM), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

this thread is ugly and pathetic.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

this thread is ugly and pathetic.

Much in the same way that Burning Man is.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

BM is a lot of things but I wouldn't call it "pathetic" - it requires too much commitment and resources to qualify as that.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

most of the criticisms of burning man seem to be that the participants are lying to themselves, and there aren't many better ways to piss people off.

i don't know much about it, but it seems mostly uninteresting and mostly harmless. i think my sister's been at least once.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

don't get me wrong a lot of stupid shit goes on out there and it is definitely permeated by kool-aid drinker cultist lingo, and it is often brutally difficult to survive in any kind of comfort in such a harsh environment. But all the people on this thread who have never been and were happy to pass judgment without bothering to have even the remotest sliver of accurate information at their disposal is just... blech. ILM at its snooty, mean-spirited finest.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

nothing that requires resources could be pathetic!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

marshalling all the necessary resources to make Burning Man happen is a remarkably complex and difficult task, that's all I'm saying.

That blog post that revived this thread - that guy's a fucking moron who should've read up on where he was going before complaining so vociferously about alkali dust, heat, etc. He has no one to blame for his discomfort but himself.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking as someone who loved going to Glastonury -- I went almost every year, 1992-98, I think -- I really did not enjoy Burning Man. The heat made me feel wretched (I can't stress enough how unbelivably hot it gets) and it's quite easy to get lost from your friends. Having said that, it's super-friendly, and not entirely full of wankers as you might expect. It's just too hot.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

as a phishhead, i'm well-familiar with the if-you-don't-go-you-don't-know perspective, but the people who go to this are almost entirely self-selected and thus automatically have at least some faith in the enterprise. therefore, perhaps they are less critical in perspective than the less-informed (and much larger) pool of people who don't go? and surely you can have at least a sliver of accurate information without going - you can hear/read reports of those who went, you can see pictures or video, etc. from what i've seen it looks sorta cool, if ultimately pointless, but the purpose seems a bit antithetical to me. if I want to venture into a beautiful environment, I want peace, silence, contemplation, etc. to the extent this is an artistic enterprise, it's in the wrong place, afaic. if I want to party, I'd rather do it somewhere more comfortable where I won't risk leaving a trace.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

But all the people on this thread who have never been

What makes you think we haven't been? Granted it was well over ten years ago, but the one most OTM thing in that blog post is this:

Whatever Burning Man supporters claim, know this, the event is a 24/7 bacchanal of booze, drugs, nudity, S&M, public sex, and bad art

Complaining about the heat at Burning Man is ridiculous though... Er, it's the FUCKING DESERT. I've done a lot of desert camping/hiking so it didn't bother me at all, but it seems like > 50% of the people didn't adequately prepare for it.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

...I'd go again, if I could prepare for it better this time. But it is a lot of work, which sort of takes away from the "Wahey! Holiday!" aspect of it, if that's what you want.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess my annoyance with Burning Man in 2006 is that the sheer size of it dictates a lot of planning and removes much of the spontaneity which originally made it interesting. Now I don't see much difference between it and other cargo cult activities like the SCA, Civil War re-enactors, etc.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Elvis I was referring to all the people up-thread - jess, Spencer, Tep, gygax, etc.

Don't disagree that yes it is largely a 24/7 bacchanal of booze, drugs, nudity, S&M, public sex, and bad art. Altho I'd add the caveat that in a good year there is also a fair amount of good art, and the public sex isn't really all that public in most cases.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

"I'd rather do it somewhere more comfortable where I won't risk leaving a trace."

(uh you are aware that LEAVE NO TRACE is one of the central catchphrases of Burning Man...? You can find moments of contemplation and serenity out there for sure, you just have to walk a ways away from the rave camps)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"I guess my annoyance with Burning Man in 2006 is that the sheer size of it dictates a lot of planning and removes much of the spontaneity which originally made it interesting. Now I don't see much difference between it and other cargo cult activities like the SCA, Civil War re-enactors, etc."

I'm with you on this - I don't go anymore. The first year I went there was no layout, no map to get there, you could still get away with firearms and explosives, there was WAY better music, and all the raves were restricted to a rave camp 2 miles away from everything else.

Maybe I'll go back when I'm 75 if its still happening, just out of curiosity.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

uh you are aware that LEAVE NO TRACE is one of the central catchphrases of Burning Man...?

i'm sure it is, and i'm guessing that there are many people who show up who have no interest in adhering to this, and that the people in charge can't entirely clean up after them. i'm also sure that however-many-thousand bodies and automobiles collecting in a place has an impact that doesn't disappear overnight even in a desert.

You can find moments of contemplation and serenity out there for sure, you just have to walk a ways away from the rave camps)

not anywhere i can see or hear rave camps

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

it's like the rainbow family - we love the forest so much, man, let's bring in a clusterfuck of people/animals to tramp and cook and smoke all over it for a few days. they're kidding themselves.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh come on, Shakey, there's some funny shit in that blog (p.s. I've been twice and had a blast. I love drugs and I love to fuck hippie chicks):

"If there is anything worse than a pervert, it’s a self-righteous druggie pervert, dressed as a chipmunk, offering unsolicited fashion tips. If you want catty advice on how to dress from a crowd of Rocky Horror Picture Show rejects, Burning Man is for you."

"Any random collection of Toto and Yes album covers would contain better trippy art than all of Burning Man."

Funny!

shookout (shookout), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

the level of environmental impact is debatable but yr right the cleanup is a huge effort and a massive headache (not to mention the central driver of the expense of the event, along with all the permits and personnel the local govt and BLM slap the event with).

But one of the coolest things about it that I enjoyed is that the environment is SO extreme - there is literally nothing there but hard-packed dry-as-bone dirt that stretches for miles, its like being on an alien landscape in a lot of ways. Although I've been to Black Rock at non-Burning Man times so this impression was perhaps made more profoundly on me then... and yes this impression can be mediated and diluted by throngs of naked idiot ravers with their shitty music.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"Any random collection of Toto and Yes album covers would contain better trippy art than all of Burning Man."

Only if they were also FIFTY FEET TALL! Burning Man art is all about scale.

I didn't get all the way through that blog entry, when the dude started complaining about being tired from the heat and the dust I gave up (that's why everybody sleeps during the day there - get one clue)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

right, I'd rather go any of the other days of the year when there aren't any other people around, especially people less respectful of the place.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

The guy who lived the floor below me in Chicago went and it seriously changed his whole demeanor.

Prior to him going, he'd come up to our place, constantly remind us that he was older than us and we'd learn how to make wise decisions when we were his age (28 I think), make sure that we weren't going to be amking any noise after 10pm on a weeknight, wander in and out of my roomate's studios making negative comments on thier works-in-progress, and complain about the string of visitors coming and going from our place.

After BM, he was still constantly dropping by unnanounced, but instead it was just to make sure we all "felt good vibes" and to just check in to make sure we knew that "everything is cool now." Dude got seriously evangelical about how BM changed his life.

So, while I've never been, (and I used to spend hours looking at people's pitcures of BM on-line while I was a College Freshman in 1998, hoping and praying for the day I too could go) I'd say it's a draw.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

no offense but your neighbor sounds like a bozo both before and after.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

my point exactly. its just that BM severly altered his method of bozo-ness.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link


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