I've never listened to Darkthrone, but reading the AMG reviews I reckon I'll like this band - do I start at the beginning?
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 5 October 2007 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link
transilvanian hunger cold so cold
― Siegbran, Friday, 5 October 2007 16:11 (sixteen years ago) link
First album is Entombed/Therion style death metal. Excellent but unlike anything they did afterwards.
Go with either of the three albums afterwards which are the ones that got them their reputation. A Blaze is a glorious Celtic Frost-meets-Bathory riff-salad, Under A Funeral Moon is the most bleak/morbid/recorded-in-a-crypt sounding one and Transilvanian Hunger is in-your-face relentless minimalist.
― Siegbran, Friday, 5 October 2007 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I dig a lot of the lo-fi murky sounding black metal bands so I guess I'll go with Under A Funeral Moon first, thanks!
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 5 October 2007 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Even though it's probably not their best album, Transilvanian Hunger is the first one I heard, and stuck with me the most. It's the only one I own. I will admit that I haven't heard about half of the albums on the list, though.
― rockapads, Friday, 5 October 2007 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link
This is tough. I've only heard albums 2-5, parts of SJ and parts of Cult is Alive. Of the those early ones, I'm tempted to say Under a Funeral Moon but I actually like Panzerfaust a lot.
― Mark Clemente, Friday, 5 October 2007 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Got Transilvanian last year in the Tower meltdown -- love it.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 October 2007 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
actually i shouldn't say that i've never heard the later stuff. whenever i listen to black metal on lastfm they always play lots of latter-day darkthrone, but i always forget what albums they are from. and i don't think i've heard anything as good as the early stuff.
but i believe that the new stuff is good. i still haven't heard new mayhem either.
― scott seward, Friday, 5 October 2007 17:16 (sixteen years ago) link
>For me, Darkthrone's one of those bands who routinely occupy that "this is the only band I want to listen to, everything else is bullshit" space.
I have a short list of those myself - Slayer, Motörhead, Amon Amarth...if there was a black metal band on that list, it'd be Immortal.
― unperson, Friday, 5 October 2007 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
if the immortal vocalist didn't sound so corny, i might like them more.
― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 6 October 2007 02:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Blaze and Funeral Moon have some Bathory-ish tracks and they switched to Celtic Frost mode in Panzerfaust, but Transilvanian Hunger is the album where everything sounds like nobody else.
― no-nonsense, Saturday, 6 October 2007 03:16 (sixteen years ago) link
I do not have enough metal cred to have a legit opinion on this, but Northern Sky takes it in my book.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 6 October 2007 03:23 (sixteen years ago) link
I voted for Blaze, but it could've been Transylvanian.
― novaheat, Saturday, 6 October 2007 03:42 (sixteen years ago) link
but I actually like Panzerfaust a lot.
me too, so i voted thusly. first one i heard (after soulside journey), loud, blasting out of shitty car stereo speakers. the vocals are recorded and mixed so it feels like ted culto's sitting in your lap and screaming at you.
(also realized i'm only 4 cds away from a complete darkthrone collection... i should get on that.)
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Saturday, 6 October 2007 05:54 (sixteen years ago) link
that's imagined baggage Hoos, I don't think metal is as demanding of "cred" (whatever on earth that actually means) as...ahem some other genres maybe are
― J0hn D., Saturday, 6 October 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link
of course there'll always be some douche who'll decry you as a noob somewhere or whatever but if your gut is telling you that A Blaze in the Northern Sky is the shit, then your gut is substantially non-different from plenty tr00-est of the tr00 dudes you dig?
― J0hn D., Saturday, 6 October 2007 13:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Panzerfaust
TEN HUNGRY WAVES THEY SWALLOWED MY SHIP OH, I STEADILY WALKED HOME (AND I ONLY GOT WET ON MY FEET
― MRZBW, Saturday, 6 October 2007 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― ILX System, Saturday, 6 October 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
i dig
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 6 October 2007 23:37 (sixteen years ago) link
panzerfaust is so great.
― govern yourself accordingly, Sunday, 7 October 2007 01:45 (sixteen years ago) link
holy crap is panzerfaust really gonna beat transilvanian hunger?
― J0hn D., Sunday, 7 October 2007 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Which is the one with the big radio hit again?
― Jeff Treppel, Sunday, 7 October 2007 03:41 (sixteen years ago) link
gotta be Emperor's "Curse You All Men," I think that charted in like fifteen countries
― J0hn D., Sunday, 7 October 2007 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link
darkthrone have actually charted in norway with 'too old, too cold' and 'nwobhm' (and probably with their two respective albums as well).
as for the poll: it's a tough one. 'under a funeral moon' and 'transilvanian hunger' are the ones where they perfected the stripped-down, minimalist black metal which i suppose they've been credited as the originators of. but for me, it's a choice between 'a blaze in the northern sky' and -yes- 'panzerfaust'.
― saxomophone, Sunday, 7 October 2007 10:32 (sixteen years ago) link
t. hunger
tho john is right about the new one being great
― strongohulkington, Sunday, 7 October 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I vote for Transilvanian Hunger for being the fantastic aural torture session it is, but A Blaze probably made the biggest impression on me at the time - of course the talk was all there but A Blaze was the first actually *musical* statement the Norwegians made that could not be denied by anyone. First Nordic album on a "credible" label with proper distribution as well (Peaceville was pretty much *the* underground Metal label at the time). We're talking late 1991 here, Burzum hadn't released a note, Mayhem only had the then four year old crappy Deathcrush demo to show, Thorns was busy filling murky rehearsal tapes, Emperor were still writing material for their demo and Immortal were in their 100%-Bathory-clone phase. For nearly every Metalhead outside Norway, A Blaze was the point they really started paying attention to the Norwegian scene.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― ILX System, Sunday, 7 October 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Justice is served!
― J0hn D., Sunday, 7 October 2007 23:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I was out of town this weekend, meant to slip in my vote for Panzerfaust but missed the due date.
FIVE MILLION CHRISTIANS ON A RIDE TOWARDS US OH, I SLAUGHTERED THE BUNCH WITH ONE SINGLE HIT (WITH MY SPEAR) FIVE MILLION WOMEN SO ALONE IN THE NIGHT OH, I HAD THEM ALL SATISFIED PROFUSELY (EVERY NIGHT BY MYSELF)
this is fuckin' great.
― Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 13:56 (sixteen years ago) link
varg wrote that shit. double CREDABILITIES.
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
no votes for Funeral Moon? nobody?
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
i know, crazy
― Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 18:55 (sixteen years ago) link
well you guys didn't vote for it either!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link
with only 22 voters, that sort of thing happens... i voted for 'panzerfaust', guessing that 'transilvanian' and 'a blaze' would get the most ones.
― saxomophone, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Siegbran you'd take Funeral Moon over TH?
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:33 (sixteen years ago) link
FIVE MILLION WOMEN SO ALONE IN THE NIGHT OH, I HAD THEM ALL SATISFIED PROFUSELY (EVERY NIGHT BY MYSELF)
this strains credulity
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
your n00bs are showing h00s, every longstanding BM listener can satisfy five million women and have energy left for cricket
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 9 October 2007 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link
this is like straight out of a blue song.
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link
blueS
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 00:40 (sixteen years ago) link
darkthrone are the bee's knees
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 00:45 (sixteen years ago) link
also the cat's pajamas
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link
they might be "the bomb" as well, but don't quote me on that
On many days yes - still voted for TH. But Funeral Moon is their "ugliest" album and I'm just surprised nobody had a preference for that.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 10:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Thanks to everyone on this thread - I've since listened to A Blaze In The Northern Sky, Under a Funeral Moon and currently listening to Transylvanian Hunger (which is totally awesome). I liked Under a Funeral Moon better than Blaze but I think TH is even better. This band rules!
― Colonel Poo, Monday, 12 November 2007 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Well done.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 November 2007 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link
either Under a Funeral Moon or Translvanian Hunger
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 12 November 2007 17:29 (sixteen years ago) link
AMG review of TH: "Like most of Darkthrone's early material, it's an unpleasant dentist-drill experience that only the unholiest of unholies will pretend to enjoy."
Pretend to enjoy? What a cunt.
― Colonel Poo, Monday, 12 November 2007 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Yea, there is rhyme to reason in black metal so I can tell that that reviewer just hadn't figured it out.
speaking of black metal I just got Mayhem's De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas again yay \m/
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 12 November 2007 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link
you know what would be cool? a version of "deathcrush" that doesn't cost more than a dollar a minute. even cooler would be a double cd with all of the shitty-sounding dead material.
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 12 November 2007 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I usedto have Dawn of the Black Hearts, fresh with the cover photo of Dead with his brains in his lap...but alas I needed money and ebay called.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 12 November 2007 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link
fuck off
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link
ahh this is a productive discussion
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:38 (two years ago) link
they collaborated with varg & have an album called panzerfaust but hey at least they said they're not nazis
this kind of denial & defensiveness is absolutely typical though
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
what exactly is your 'endgame' here. did you read Wikipedia, get mad, and enter this thread?
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link
"hey guys, here are two facts nobody has disputed that are both 20+ years old, here I am to blow your minds with it and suggest you are all Nazis!!!!"
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link
opened thread, saw album title, did 2 minutes of google research, got pissed off at metal culture yet again
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link
i knew this would happen because i know metalheads don't like being called out on this shit
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:46 (two years ago) link
we've literally had the conversation on ILX for more than ten years, you obstinate dumbfuck
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:46 (two years ago) link
you stumble into the thread after learning about it five minutes and we're the assholes? fuck you.
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:47 (two years ago) link
no fuck you for not coming to the obvious necessary consensus on this
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link
― Left, Saturday, June 26, 2021 10:46 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i was defensive bc you were being an asshole from the jump, i wonder why this keeps happening to you
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link
i have been through this before with metal fans so i know how it goes & being polite doesn't work
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:52 (two years ago) link
does this work
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:53 (two years ago) link
also fuck off man, we're not a monolith
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
Left, have you ever doubted the soundness of your position on… just about anything, really?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
yes, this is pretty clear cut though, do you know how this looks to people with no connection to metal culture
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link
Is it now. If I were you, I'd start by reading the countless threads we've collectively devoted to this topic and its various avatars over the years.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:57 (two years ago) link
Left, I honestly don't care if you get FPed anymore. you're a smart dude, but you're also a cunt, and you presume the worst about everybody and willfully ignore the 15+ years of discussion that have happened on this board ON THE EXACT TOPIC YOU'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW. which, if you'd actually use the search function, would turn up that the discussion has a much wider range of opinion on the topic than you'd be willing to admit. yeah, there are definitely posters here that will literally jedi-handwave the sins of the metal scene away and go "#notallmetalbands", but I don't think Big HOOS, aerosmith, or others in this thread fit that category.
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:58 (two years ago) link
i don't think it's necessary to call left a c***
i was on the verge of calling his rhetorical tactics cop-ish tho
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:02 (two years ago) link
i am aware of the discussions - so what? this thread has been free of them until now
i have only directly insulted the band and metal in general and i haven't called any posters nazis yet
i could and maybe should go after slayer and motorhead too but i hold my tongue, this is egregious though and i decided complaining on another thread wasn't enough
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
i'd rather be called a cunt than the other thing
Besides, you're British, right?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
and german, so
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:07 (two years ago) link
i don't listen to burzum bc that guy is a nazi and i read a lot of persuasive arguments on here back in the day that even listening to nazi shit without giving them your money is some kind of tacit support, i took it to heart, that's still what i live by (even though i think also on some level i respond to regressive shit (just regressive shit that isn't advocating for racist and sexist garbage or whose avatar isn't advocate of racist and sexist garbage, more regressive like a shot-on-video horror is regressive. and i definitely draw my own lines when it comes to this stuff.... as we all do? even with darkthrone, whose most famous record has some nazi shit in the liner notes but who have presented themselves as aggressively not-nazis ever since as far as i have been able to tell)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:07 (two years ago) link
hard to tell if the british ppl on here are cool with americans calling them cunts, i just assumed it wasn't cool
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link
yeah I didn't mean to be #notallmetalbands, but like Brad said, they've definitely presented since as not-nazis.
― braised cod, Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:21 (two years ago) link
cop-ish does work. I think back to the thread DJP started last year, asking why so many black metal threads had been started in a multi-day period, and offering the perspective that it was a particularly ugly look as it happened during the midst of the George Floyd situation, since a few of the threads did discuss some bands with checkered pasts, something that DJP has been brought up in the past and wanted to discuss.
that was my fault, as I was the thread bumper, and it had happened on a night where I depressed and lonely and listening to music and bumped a few thematically connected threads. Is there defensiveness in the metal scene? of fucking course. it exists on this board, and throughout the scene. we saw it in DJP's thread. I'm embarrassed by it and have spent a lot of time fighting it and racism/sexism in the scene in person, even though I've been clowned for it as being an SJW at times in recent years.
DJP got rightfully angry during that thread because the question was essentially for me (as the thread bumper), but many other people jumped in, defensive, not listening to his concerns, being condescending to them, and rushing to preserve the sanctity of metal, while ums and sarahell rightfully asked everybody to dial it back and listen. He gave the board the opportunity to explain themselves, and we failed because we didn't listen and talked over him (I felt bad as I had missed the discussion for several hours).
So to Brad's point, yes, metalheads are not a monolith, and we're not all averse to copping to our own sins or the sins of our genre. we have a lot of pieces of shit amongst us - and not all of us police it properly.
but Left isn't interested in anything but gotcha politics, being able to label and paint with a broad brush, isn't even interested in prior discussions we've had regarding Darkthrone and their early origins, or the makeup of who was a part of these discussions. that's the 'defensiveness' you're seeing here, Left. and I'd hardly consider Brad someone who is a listener with blinders who jedi-handwaves everything away, nor j0hn or Big HOOS or rushomancy (who I miss dearly) - all people who have taken part in discussions in this thread or others.
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:22 (two years ago) link
I am aware of prior discussions. I remember the previous controversy. there is a reason I am pushing this here and not on some metal forum. I know people know this is not ok. this is not some kind of fun game for me, I don’t get off on being a killjoy. I want to like metal. this is why I don’t
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:41 (two years ago) link
this is not some kind of fun game for me, I don’t get off on being a killjoy. I want to like metal
I have never gotten the feeling from any of your posts on any subject in any thread on any ILX page that you "want to like" anything. You're a willfully ignorant shit-stirrer with a messiah complex.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link
And with that I'm out, because I don't even like Darkthrone.
i really get the idea that you want to like metal but it is too steeped in or tolerant of nazi ideology so like yes i agree that sucks really hard
the closest i come is mayhem who i love so much but recent discussions on what i think was the de mysteriis thread made me rethink about how much time i listen to a band with a dude like hellhammer in it iykwim. this was btw not a hostile discussion at all
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 26 June 2021 18:52 (two years ago) link
yeah that was last year, it was a worthwhile discussion.
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 June 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link
― brimstead, Saturday, 26 June 2021 20:33 (two years ago) link
because occasionally people talk about music i like, or recommend music i might like. same reason anyone else is here i assume
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 20:37 (two years ago) link
*nothing* i have ever posted has been as harsh as the kind of stuff that was standard here 10-15 years ago for what it’s worth (nothing ofc)
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
Fiww, everything you've raised is clearly worthy of discussion but you've arrived like someone carrying the torch of enlightenment and in my experience this thread is full of thoughtful people that have clearly already spent a good deal of time debating just these issues and deserve more respect.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 26 June 2021 20:49 (two years ago) link
what would have been a better way to raise this? because other than ignoring it i can’t think of anything that wouldn’t have provoked the same kind of reaction, especially because of but also regardless of whatever reputation i have by now on here
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 20:59 (two years ago) link
maybe a poster people actually like saying hey people this is a bit dodgy isn’t it could have got somewhere but i didn’t see it happening
― Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link
Nah, of course it's fine to ask - in lots of ways it seems so clear and obvious. Idk, don't present it as an aggressive fait accompli I guess.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 26 June 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link
this is not some kind of fun game for me, I don’t get off on being a killjoy.
― enochroot, Saturday, 26 June 2021 22:16 (two years ago) link
it'll never be the best Darkthrone album but the new one's pretty good. really liked the past three in point of fact, the ancient doomy vibe really works.
― made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:31 (one year ago) link
Feel like "The Sea Beneath The Seas..." is meant to sound like Manilla Road (excepting the vocals)
― made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:47 (one year ago) link
"The Sea Beneath the Seas of the Sea" reminds me of Iron Maiden's "Remember Tomorrow" a lot.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 3 November 2022 02:27 (one year ago) link
One man's Manilla Road is another man's Iron Maiden through the lowest fi recording imaginable!
― made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 3 November 2022 07:10 (one year ago) link