Andrew Hill - "Point of Departure"

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well i don't know what recently is and i'm not a jazzcrit historian but that records been highly regarded since at least the early 80's when i first heard about it. plus yaknow its on blue note, it has a great line up. i don't know how it was recieved at the time.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Monday, 1 August 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Compelling innit. Maybe he's not quite so frequently name-checked by young 'out' enthusiasts?

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Monday, 1 August 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

It was 'Crowned' in the Penguin Guide!

Keith C (kcraw916), Monday, 1 August 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

how many do they crown?

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Monday, 1 August 2005 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Love it. Just got it a few weeks ago and this as well as Passing Ships are fantastic. Cookin straight up.

- (smile), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Albums that got crowned in the Penguin Guide(s)

Keith C (kcraw916), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

yea you gotta get passing ships too!!!! but this album is of course fantastic, bith henderson AND dolphy, its just ridculous

jake b. (cerybut), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 00:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Pretty much all the Hill sides on Blue Note are worth getting, esp. Black Fire and Andrew (and my but not many's favorite Compulsion) Guy's still an incredible player if you get the chance to see him in the person.

Val Jordan (nubbin), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Great stuff- I got this around 1990, when BLue Note were selling off all their old vinyl stock for a fiver; I picked up loads. Two others I adore, but haven't heard much about are:

http://www.na.rim.or.jp/~mnakano/album/jpgs/evolutio.jpg


http://msdb.hp.infoseek.co.jp/joe%20henderson/mode%20for%20joe.JPG

Jez (Jez), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 06:08 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a lot of overlap here with this thread (that I started, jeez, two years ago!). I LOVE Point of Departure. It epitomizes this era so well for me, it's like a concise summary of mid-'60s Blue Notes -- quintet or so sized band, interesting instrumentation, great roster, strong compositions, a little bit out, a little bit modal, a large dose of bop/hard bop, some 'world' flourishes, some time signature stuff, a pointed spirituality.

Also, I thought that Penguin Guide crown link was a link to an ilm thread, which be great.

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link

"It epitomizes this era so well for me, it's like a concise summary of mid-'60s Blue Notes -- quintet or so sized band, interesting instrumentation, great roster, strong compositions, a little bit out, a little bit modal, a large dose of bop/hard bop, some 'world' flourishes, some time signature stuff, a pointed spirituality."

Exactly, I think the thing is that this record would sound just as now if it was released in 1985 or even 2005. This is a point that some writers have emphasized on the issues of unreleased sessions like Hill's Passing Ships.

That Blue Note back catalog is something else. You pick up a few, then you want to check out more and more and more, which only leads you to other records and artists.

earlnash, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Can we talk about the greatness of Andrew!!!?

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 2 November 2008 02:08 (fifteen years ago) link

you can't go wrong with andrew hill on blue note/

OUT THERE: Andrew!!!, Point of D, Compulsion!!

TRIO-PLUS: Judgement! Smokestack

HARD BOPPISH: Grass Roots, Pax, Dance With Death

EXPANDED ENSEMBLE: Passing Ships

i still need to hear his debut: Black Fire

m coleman, Sunday, 2 November 2008 12:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, that's a great one. Listening to Andrew!!! last night, it occurred to me just how much he already had his shit together at/near the beginning of his recording career.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 2 November 2008 23:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Smokestack is a motherfucker. One of the most compelling two-bass lineups ever to record.

Sara Sara Sara, Monday, 3 November 2008 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Black Fire = classic from the album cover inward.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 3 November 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link

yes

Tyrone Quattlebaum (Hurting 2), Monday, 3 November 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link

(POD too, even though the art doesn't appeal to me as much. But what do I know?)

Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 3 November 2008 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

I am really into Black Fire right now. The tunes are strong, and this is the first I have heard Hill in a quartet. There is a lot of space and he takes advantage. Roy Haynes' drumming on the first track reminds me of Tony Williams, which is to say that Tony didn't come from nowhere.

Shh! It's NOT Me!, Monday, 1 December 2008 07:11 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Just got "Compulsion" for £2 in the HMV sale - BARGAIN is too small word to describe this, even with Caps Lock on

It dreamed to Tom D. of the Caucasus (Tom D.), Monday, 23 August 2010 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link

while we're talking about albums that aren't "POD", i have to say, "passing ships" is one of the best, really

uptown churl, Monday, 23 August 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Tom D, if you've never listened to Sun Ra's Other Planes of There, it's quite interesting to listen to alongside Compulsion, because at times Gilmore sounds like he's playing alternate versions of the same material. Even some of the rhythmic ideas on Compulsion strike me as similar to what's on Other Planes of There. (Not making any claims about influences though.)

Alas, I was never able to really get into Andrew Hill, including Point of Departure, which I really wanted to like. Compulsion I enjoy to some extent, but not so much more Hill's playing and composition.

_Rudipherous_, Monday, 23 August 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Innaresting. Have never really been able to get into "Point of Departure" either, but am really liking "Compulsion", did find myself thinking it reminded me of Sun Ra somewhat...

It dreamed to Tom D. of the Caucasus (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 09:12 (thirteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Black Fire/Smoke Stack/Judgement/Point Of Departure/Andrew!!!/Compulsion

There is definitely some of kind of unusual talent and drive present when someone can seemingly bang out 6 extraordinary masterworks like these in a mere 2 year period. M Coleman and Timi Yuru upthread from years ago are both absolutely otm.

xelab, Sunday, 25 October 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link

seven years pass...

dance with death owns

LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Thursday, 16 March 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link


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