Sebadoh: C/D?

don't ask me to elaborate as it doesn't make sense to me either!

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Classic, if for nothing else, the ludicrous version of I Am The Resurrection that they played at the Manchester Hop & Grape back 1999.

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that said, the new lou barlow is bad. saw him play live acoustic and it was painful, he's kinda a chubby and obviously still very awkward quasi-juvenile and he's pushing 40, no?

what ever happened to eric gaffeney any way?

And I'll second the nod for Jason Loewenstein's solo record on Sub Pop. It is terrific.

Those early singles and 7" EPs are just totemic (like the "Oven Is Your Friend" EP on Siltbreeze, to name just one). I think Lou may have posted MP3s of a lot of that stuff on his website now.

Lou and Jason toured last year, and it was better than the last few tours by full-scale Sebadoh, since they seemed like they were relaxed and having fun.

I agree. Definitely classic.

That stuff of the Magic Ribbons boxset just fries me. Never heard the Asshole 7" :(

Anyway, the Lou side of "Asshole" is now here: http://www.loobiecore.com/klassix.html

weird. a decent pitchfork review

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/141840-sebadoh-bubble-and-scrape-deluxe-edition

i guess i'm one of the casual fans since bakesale's still my favorite. but what a monster album. the first five or six songs still slay

The quintessential "band that hasn't aged well"

I still think they're great and esp love this album.

i went out and got a copy of the reissue. it sounds great. songs like "sacred attention" come close to what i like so much about bakesale

re: Sebadoh, C/D

to echo the original poster:

Being the Dinosaur Jr. fan that I am, I have to say NOT classic.

well then you REALLY wouldn't like the b&s bonus tracks. there's a four-part noise suite called "old daze" with lou and jason each taking a part, and eric taking two

and by part you mean tab of acid.

tabs in the ocean

I prefer Jason to Lou, and I like The Sebadoh a lot, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.

I just read that Bubble And Scrape review this morning.. enjoyed it quite a bit.. The 2008 reissue disc has been in my car CD player for 5 days straight which is unusual for me.

holy shit dudes i am falling in love with The Sebadoh.
i think side b is likely one of the best sides i have heard in a while
solid and catchy and just really in my head right now can't get enough
we're too old to apologize!

melting dry to the bone i just can't leave it alone!

The Sebadoh is massively underrated

thread inspired me to listen to this again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgnoxyaA-LU

i remember being really into the SOUND of this song 20 years ago.

the drumming (on the *1*), the searing guitar/bass levels (esp on the chorus/outro)...

that's got to be a hollowbody guitar?

Interesting how Xgau did a 180 on these guys as soon as I stopped paying attention.

yes the sebadoh
love is stronger

hey wassup shasta! you banging yr head on teh punk rock eh

Anyone into III? I got heavily into that record, it was a portal for me to a whole universe of music I had not known before.

I decided to see them in concert around that time. I remember traveling 200 kilometers by train and arranging a bed and breakfast in a strange city for me when I was 17 or so, to see them. I was alone because I didn't know anyone who knew them. Massive experience, two days skipping Uni and solely focussed on seeing the mighty Sebadoh. Boy did Barlow fuck that up haha. He had a cold and two songs in he started shouting and cursing the audience in typical Barlow-style, telling the audience to fuck off, and he walked off stage. Took a while before he was back. I remember being shocked although the reaction of the other band members (mere shrugs) was strangely comforting. When he came back on they raced through a 40 minute set and that was that. And I still thought it was pretty good! Haha.

Still love III, and most other records. I have no idea what Barlow is up to nowadays.

JayLoew forever, love the new songs

given how things went down with Dino Jr. back in the day and how Lou felt about it i always thought it was odd for him to carry on w/ both Sebadoh and Folk Implosion without the people who started those bands with him

Haven't heard these guys in a long time but was in a normally bustling cafe that was strangely empty due to the holidays and Bob Weston's production on "Brand New Love" (the Smash Your Head version) is pretty wild... That's some pretty nice tight mic-ing.

https://i.imgur.com/pLNSgO4.jpg

nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoUv_ntXV-4

10/25/91
Maxwell's, Hoboken, NJ
ERIC, JASON, AND LOU

(00:00) Slinstrumental
(03:47) Brand New Love
(08:12) It's So Hard To Fall In Love
(10:21) Sexual Confusion
(12:55) Cheapshot
(14:20) Toledo

i'm listening to the new archival Deluxx Folk Implosion record with Bob! It's sooooo awesome! a whole album of great stuff that never came out from the sessions that the 7-inch came from. every sebadoh fan needs this for real.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14641936_10155184014092137_23910008043006990_n.jpg?oh=1cddb836f5880ea319eb34d09d9769e4&oe=58626B03

that's very cool

1990 pre-iii eric jason lou show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UazDjWnS1yE

"Buffalo Tom and Nirvana... that's cool..."

ERIC
JASON
LOU

featuring that guy who used to play bass in Soul Asylum

Great ending to that Middle East show... it was really a whole 'nother energy with Eric on 2nd gtr.

(or, rather, the only gtr -- and Lou on bass)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaAP3DJRADU

The Sebadoh is 20 years old this week, so birthday cakes are appropriate.

hm https://www.joyfulnoiserecordings.com/blogs/news/our-disheartening-sebadoh-story

Geez that record is 20? I saw them when it came out opening for the Flaming Lips, and even back then Lou was lamenting that everybody hated the record.

I never saw sebadoh perform. Was at a show but lou jumped off the stage and walked out before performing. I remember walking home from that show and just smiling. Lol

I saw them a few times, but the best (by far) was in the mid-2000s — just Lou & Jason, plus a tape recorder with drum tracks for some songs. They were excellent, the crowd was way into it... it was just “one of those shows.” (I remember a tough-looking guy with a ponytail standing next to me, looking up at the stage and shouting along to every word of one of the songs from “Oven Is My Friend.”)

Btw — that new song isn’t bad (just watched the video). I found some of the my-side-of-the-story divorced-dad content of Defend Yourself to be a little cringeworthy (think I actually preferred Jason’s songs on that one); but I’m always up for a new Sebadoh LP, no matter how corny Lou’s soul-bearing may become with age.

I loved Bob D'Amico's song on Defend Yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHRlfSxe6q4

...so much so I posted the wrong song completely. It's this one:
https://sebadoh.bandcamp.com/track/once

I forgot about the “Secret EP” from 2013; that was a good one:

https://sebadoh.bandcamp.com/album/secret-ep

Too Pure is brilliant.

Another new single from the upcoming album (a Jason tune):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CU1T7Y-vg

So what do y'all think of Act Surprised? I think it's good, though the sound's a little muddy, and Lou's lyrics are somewhat cringe-y (as they tend to be lately).

Saw Lou on his recent solo tour and it was a dream come true for a mega-fan like me. Nearly 3 hours of requests in a yoga studio to a knowledgeable crowd of 25. Have only heard the 2 singles from Act Surprised and it's not for me. I wish them boundless success though. Would love to hear others' thoughts on the album.

on first listen, new Lou solo is really nice

I was relistening to some old sh*t (per the other thread)... check out this performance of "Downmind," it slays on every level. I forgot just how great this bootleg is (7th Street Entry).

Absolutely classic for the run from III to Harmacy, but I kind of quit keeping up beyond that.

the first album of those silly cassette recordings is very quotable, i always wished i had a friend i could riff of it with, like inside jokes... some quite touching songs in there, too.

Just came across this (from 2019) - https://www.vice.com/en/article/evea3a/sebadohs-the-sebadoh-20-years-later

morris I thought your comment on the other thread about how the "whole" early Sebadoh-as-band picture was scattered across a bunch of different releases was very accurate, speaking as someone who was a big fan at the time they were putting that stuff out. and all those Vertical 7"s were such limited collector scum nonsense that you could only get those as tape trades. and yeah, I treasure my Magic Ribbons box, especially for the great Unrest song "Headringer" that (I think) is still not reissued in any form.

so many times back then, you'd see an indie single in the new bins and if you didn't get it then you never saw it again

(looking at you, "Oven Is My Friend" 7")

I still have not heard the last LP, I don't think. I did see the reunion tour which I was psyched about at the time but cannot remember a single thing about now.

xxp “Headringer” is on Twister! I don’t know offhand if it’s the same version, though… Knowing Unrest, it may not be!

ha I was wondering about that! I have the CDR reissue of that, will check

These guys were one of the 'big (ha)' indie rock bands I never saw live back in the day. Heard it was usually a mix bag. Only time they played B-ton back when I was going to lots of shows, I was out of town. I heard they switched instruments a couple times.

Sebadoh III and Smash Yr Head always get a smile out of me when I put them on half crocked on whisky and beer about once every 2-3 years or so.

Red Red Meat were cool as heck live the couple times I saw them though. And Railroad Jerk too!

All those bands the better the production got, they got all SERIOUS on their songwriting. They were ALL generally better when they were just stoned noisy weirdos. Kind of the rocknroll equivalent of people getting better looking as the series went on on sitcoms as they finally got dough and a stylist or something.

Barlow was def more “careerist” than many in terms of gamely cleaning up his sound / polishing his songwriting; but Sebadoh never made it onto a major (he did with Folk Implosion though).

(I need to read that article about the 1999 Sebadoh album; that was released under some awkward partnership Sub Pop had with Sire at the time.)

The Grifters > Pavement/Sebadoh

At least to me...

ok, reading the piece now, it sounds like they were actually on Sire