― N., Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I don't have the Oasis hate that some here have, but Wonderwall has never been a favorite of mine. Slide Away or Live Forever easily best it.
― Nicole, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
The Mike Flowers version is a sub-Moldy Peaches one-listen joke, the kind of thing that fans of Chris Evans found hilarious. Pavement also did a funny cover of it, as did Ryan Adams.
Perhaps because it's quite simply arranged, I think it's dated pretty well. Certainly compared to "Round Are Way", one of the B-sides, which now sounds very mid-90s. One of the other flipsides was of course "The Masterplan" which Noel always said was one of his favourite songs... I was never that much of a fan of that track, it always sounded a little pompous to me.
I don't think it's their finest hour, but it's still in my opinion one of the greatest singles of the 90s. Though obviously not as good as "I Believe"...
― Andrew Williams, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I think it's quite good, and snotty rock vocals work well on it.
I vote for more courting songs.
― Peter Miller, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Geoff, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I also agree with him about the Wonderwall.
― the pinefox, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Others who have covered it: Radiohead, Metallica, Robbie Williams, Sarah McLauchlan, 3T, Violent Femmes and Jackie O (suggests: enduring classic, I guess, if that matters).
― Jeff W, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
* And I think Noel really is very sincere and serious about even his dumbest songs, in a very laddish way. It's just that it takes Liam to actually sing them with the right level of childishness.
― Nitsuh, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ally, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
1. rich acoustic gtr part
2. starkness of voice: SHOUTING when it should be whispering allthe time
3. The C-D-A (so to speak) at the end of first vocal verse: ie, let's stop and recap
4. the drums - which people felt the need to brand as 'trip-hop' c.10.95. I don't like that, but I like this. I like the impression of subtlety which is un-Oasis-like.
5. The strings hove in.
6. 'Backbeat': setting up quiet (or loud) Beatles Reference Centre.
7. I haven't mentioned the pace and density of the verse melody / combination of words.
8. Or 'I don't believe that ANYbody': ie the instinct (if that, Tim) to know that he needed to go somewhere Other on line 3.
9. The wee jangle on 'All the roads', etc; the melody too;
10. The descent through 'like / to say / to you'
11. The ascent to 'But I don't know ho-o-ow'
That's enough. This is c.1 minute 45, or whatever. But the chorus is still to come.
12. I think the chorus ' Cos maybe' - is inferior to what precedes it; but it's still better than most.
13. The halt in mid-song; start up again.
14. The piano at the end; the way the string soar sinister to conclusion.
15. Have I missed something?
all the time.
You can't persuade me, Pinefox. In fact you've rarely baffled or infuriated me more. It was and is utter shite which I have never been able to bear listening to. The one afternoon when I actually heard an Oasis album was one of the worst of my life, no question.
― Robin Carmody, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― fritz, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mandee, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Norman Phay, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ally C, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
!!!!!
In Noely baby's M0ther phuxing dreams!!!!
― daria gray, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Cant beat a good bit of Demiss Roussos.
― Biscuit Tin, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Justyn Dillingham, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dr.C, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dr. C, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
2. Doc C - I like some of the heavier things, but would differentiate: somehow 'Some Might Say' is different class from 'Up In The Sky', for me (: the latter is inferior; the former is a rival to 'Wonderwall' itself as Gallagher's best).
3. For a minute I thought you were on about the drumming on 'Wonderwall' (you weren't). But I think Alan White's work here is awesome; it makes me glad that McCarroll had been fired.
4. Q - I like your comment but (being no musicologist) I'm not quite sure I get it. Do you mean the last chord with the strings, or the end-after-the-end (which I have always thought was a reference to 'Supersonic')?
― the pinefox, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dr. C, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Wasn't aware that cellos could arpeggiate...
― M. Matos, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Peter Miller, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nicole, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Anna Rose, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I like "Wonderwall" all right but not enough that I actually need to buy a CD or ever listen to it of my own volition.
― sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― adam, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― matthew m., Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― cuba libre (nathalie), Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― J Blount, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jdu, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
The best song ever written by Noel (so far) is Where Did It All Go Wrong, great lyrics, great instrumental and superb melody!
― Marten Larsson, Wednesday, 11 December 2002 21:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 23:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 01:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
Is Wonderwall a possible candidate for a Geezasthetics' anthem? Just the JtN type?
― Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
(I probably have got your email Cozen - haven't checked for a few days due to distractions from all my lovely birthday presents.)
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 8 August 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 8 August 2005 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 August 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 8 August 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 8 August 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't know what Drew Daniel is.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 8 August 2005 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 8 August 2005 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 8 August 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link