― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 02:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 03:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 03:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 03:42 (nineteen years ago) link
98. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy BibleIt's just got better songs.
97. Blur - ParklifeAgain, better songs.
96. Orbital - SnivilisationDo I need a reason?
95. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works IIPlease!
94. Oasis - Definitely MaybeEven this is better than "Live Through This"
93. Nirvana - UnpluggedWhy would you even want a Hole album if you already have Nirvana records?
This took me two minutes to write.
― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 08:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 08:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 08:57 (nineteen years ago) link
I can't stand it, I must admit. Basically b/c when I listen to it, it makes me feel unhappy.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:25 (nineteen years ago) link
I have never heard LTT.
― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― x0x0x, old enough to remember the real sham 69Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 10:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 10:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― mei (mei), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 10:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 10:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link
These people were called "the sane". "Celebrity Skin" is a better album, Courtney is a lot better at "rocking" than "rock", but as a selection of singles, the idea that Nirvana have three songs to match "Violet", "Miss World", and "Doll Parts" (not to mention "Rock Star") is, frankly, dumb.
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link
so you were there? give me a break. surely Kurt had something to do with it. he was a miserable twat long before he met Courtney, long before he was famous.
I like his music though.
― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link
I've never heard the album, obv., but all of the singles were pretty awesome.
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Cos the bands sounds similar in mmany ways and it's rumoured Kurt wrote chunks of the album.
― mei (mei), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link
They were. No fucking comparison. Courtney was a much better singer and much better songwriter for one, I mean two, things.
― chuck, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link
addendum to my previous post:
(Either that, or Kurdt just gave most of his best songwriting to Courtney. Even after was dead.) (Unless Billy Corgan and Jordan Zadarozny etc. just gave Courtney all of THEIR best songwriting then.)
― chuck, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link
What I don't get, and I'll probably get crucified for this, is the hate for Arrested Development's 3 Years. . . I think it's really interesting and enjoyable.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link
Nirvana had a HACK drummer. But the guitar player was good.
Most under-acclaimed song on LTT, BTW: "Jennifer's Body."
― chuck, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link
On which songs does she demonstrate that she was a better songwriter, Chuck?
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link
?
What differences?
― Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link
i agree with yr second post, natch
― Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost
― chuck, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link
On this, Chuck, we can agree. And he's a better songwriter than Kurt, Courtney, Billy, and Linda Perry. *If* he's still writing his own songs.
whoa...xposts out a wah-zoo.
― frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link
But talking about somebody staying out of the spotlight gets boring real fast (MJ is an exception, but then again, his level of ubercelebrity and uberfreakiness is also an exception). People move on to talking about other things -- but in Courtney's case, she always reappears to supply them with new ammunition. What the media/fans/Courtney hataz do with that ammunition is a different matter (as opposed to how they would treat male celebs).
(xposts, etc.)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link
And he is a better singer and dancer as well!! And he hires better rhythm sections! (Axl comes oddly close on all counts, however. And they're both from Indiana!)
― chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Vic (filmclasse...), September 1st, 2004.
You had to do a presentation on the film to get that across?
Anyway, as for my two cents worth: I've always been indifferent towards Hole/Courtney Love. I don't have that scarily irrational hatred that some people seem to have of her. She's written some good songs ("Violet" and "Doll Parts" especially). But I dunno, she never made much of an impression on me.
The whole Cobain wrote LTT thing is bullshit. Any similarity between Hole and Nirvana prolly comes from them working in roughly similar styles of music and the fact of Cobain and Love being married. It's well-known that they influenced each other's writing, but that doesn't equal cobain writing hole's album.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link
We creepy people typing away are far from the brain of a rock-star, I'm sorry to say this but I must. vive la difference
― Thea (Thea), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh for cryin' out loud, Fuck Michael Jackson!
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Thea (Thea), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link
Thea isn't creepy or bilious. Sure, she hangs around in belfreys and keeps talking about the blood of the living, but who doesn't?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link
I wonder if they combined their album collections? Or kept them in separate rooms. (Kurt's was more indie '80s pigfuck and Courtney's more major-label '80s modern rock, from what little I've read. I bet Curt would be real pissed if Courtney mis-filed his Flipper album!)
― chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Thea (Thea), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 2 September 2004 00:27 (nineteen years ago) link
People probably hate it cuz they hate Courtney, cuz...she could be a cunt sometimes.
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link
For once in this thread I'm in agreement with Alex
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link
This is kinda embarrassing, but when I first heard her sing that line in "Asking for It" - "Live through this and I swear that I would die for you," or something like that - I actually cried.
"Doll Parts" is also excellent. Heartbreaking, too.
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link
I hate the corny Chinatown/LA dystopia images on the cover and the insert, although the nod to the cover of the Gun Club's Miami is sort of nice.
Tim Finney--sorry I missed your comments about Eric Erlandson just three posts above mine. I wonder if he's retired? He used to be a real man-about-town, EfH, but I rarely see him out anymore. Not that I get out much, though.
― Arthur (Arthur), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link
how is this a patronizing statement?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link
Wait, am I using the word "patronizing" correctly?
(Also, I'm leaving in less than twenty minutes.)
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link
Dammit, I know I'm gonna have to leave any minute now...
― Nowell, Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 2 September 2004 02:47 (nineteen years ago) link
courtney introduced to me the idea that i could be a rock bitch, and the riot grrrls drove it home. i haven't heard any other hole albums. i had the misfortune of hearing "mono" recently and found it boring and lifeless.
― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 2 September 2004 03:23 (nineteen years ago) link
This is my favorite comment on this entire thread, I think!
― chuck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― laura joyce (snow white), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link
What's so great about what I said?
― Nowell, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link