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ECCSAME = BLISS

That is all.

Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 05:47 (fifteen years ago) link

"Elevator Is Temporary" from "Better Can't Make Your Life Better" is one of my all-time faves.
Can anyone tell me why there are two different mixes of "Better..", one more sixties sounding than the other.

mzui, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 07:22 (fifteen years ago) link

What was their proto-Neu album like? The Darla Bliss Out series?

(that's probably the wrong word, but you know what I mean, anyway)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 09:50 (fifteen years ago) link

it was probably the best bliss out release, which is to say it was still duller than dishwater (actually it was ok but nothing special)

the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 09:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Can anyone tell me why there are two different mixes of "Better..", one more sixties sounding than the other.

The album came out in the US with the original mix, but after Nanny In Manhattan appeared in a UK commercial there was enough of a buzz that Kurt was able to remix and beef up some of the tracks. The two versions also have slightly different tracklistings.

Precollection sounds utterly forgettable (and almost like mixing was never finished) on first listen, but it's a real (albeit slow) grower.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link

This band is one of my top 5 favorites, but it is real work being such a fan. Everything through Better Can't Make Your Life Better is untouchable, especially Brief History of Amazing Letdowns. I still haven't been able to get my bearings on Precollections after having it for about a year, but I am sure in time I'll get around to liking it. Why oh why can't Kurt just go back and give us something amazing again like Eccsame? Woe is (nerdy) me.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I adore--absolutely adore--the first half of Lilys' career. From that period, absolutely search:

"February 14th"
"Claire Hates Me"
"Periscope"
"Touch the Water"
"Elizabeth Color Wheel"
"Threw a Day"
all of Brief History of Amazing Letdowns
all of Eccsame the Photon Band

"Ginger" and "Claire Hates Me" are two of my favorite songs ever. Several others of theirs aren't far behind.

But, much to my guilt, I simply don't much like Lilys' second half. The Kinks thing just really doesn't do it for me--I liked them so much better even when they were just ripping off MBV. So I guess destroy everything post-Eccsame, except:

"You Win"
"A Nanny in Manhattan"
"The Perception Room"
"Precollection"

maybe one or two others. This band breaks my heart.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:56 (fifteen years ago) link

ARgahargafdadazzzzzz...

Sorta my take on them, really. Yeah, the MBV knockoff is bemusing and all but otherwise, no. I forget the exact nature of the withering comment I delivered after their yawnsome set at Terrastock V, but whatever it was was sufficiently cold and dismissive enough (and involved a negative comparison to Richard Ashcroft's solo work...which I hate) to surprise even Elvis Telecom. Kurt Wossname is a fine and excellent fan of many good records and sounds who should never be allowed near a recording studio.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Nanny in Manhattan, esp. running out your front door in the morning, late for work.

57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Yay Dr. Bill -- "Clair hates me" is my favorite song.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Awesome. For some reason, no one ever talks about that song when discussing Lilys. It's the one that really made me love the band.

If only it ended better!

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Does anybody have the "Send In The Subs" bootleg of unreleased material? I have a few MP3s off of file-sharing but never the complete album. What I've heard is pretty great.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link

I used to have it...if I'm remembering correctly some of it came out (as finished songs) on the Aspera Ad Astra split. It was mostly instrumental, right? (I love the lilys, and I remember very little of Subs, which makes me think I didn't like it.) A gazillion live tracks here:

http://www.diamond.ssl.physics.ncsu.edu/lilys/

dlp9001, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link

haven't listened to 'eccsame' in years, but i used to quite love it. (in fact, i haven't SEEN it for year, i wonder if i haven't lost it.)(the album, that is.)

m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I've got a copy of Send in the Subs. It was mostly outtakes from Eccsame, alternate mixes and instrumental takes. Interesting to listen to, fer sure. It might have the stuff from the Tigerstyle split; I can't remember. I'll have to go home and look at it.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:12 (fifteen years ago) link

i think a lot of the lilys success [or lack thereof] is due to heasley being unable to keep his band situations on an even keel.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link

there is a new record called 'the lilys'?
i think precollection is great, adds some xtc to his kinks worship. the shoegaze stuff was a bore. i remember when i lived in DC an ex-lily was working the cash register at vinyl ink and got very upset at me for buying in the presence of nothing, told me it was crap, he was right.

they are a thousand times better than the shins. but pas/cal is making the songs i wish the lilys would make now.

the manual blissout is better than the lilys blissout.

keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 02:49 (fifteen years ago) link

new on rainbow quartz: lilys "s/t"

http://www.rainbowquartz.com/albtnails/rqtz102.jpg

the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 03:06 (fifteen years ago) link

i stopped paying attention to blissouts after the lilys one

the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 03:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Is the actual cover that Edward Gorey drawing? That I'll grant as spiff.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 03:29 (fifteen years ago) link

this is a weird release, huh

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 03:45 (fifteen years ago) link

I hit the link and can't tell if this is some sort of re-treaded Precollections with 3 or 5 new songs (depending on which part of the web site you read). Of course the label hype makes it sound super. I guess we'll see. Doesn't look like it is generally available yet. Maybe someone here has their mitts on it?

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh and about the the second version of Better Can't Make Your Life Better... mostly it's a handful of quick edits and a whole lot of string and brass arrangements added. Some vocals were brought up. "Elevator Is Temporary" is made even more dramatic which is the real winner... also "Returns Every Morning" has this epic crescendo before the coda.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Right on Gygax & dlp, thanks very much for the info..!

mzui, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I finally got to hear the "The Lilys" album. The three new songs are very good. Not *incredible*. Not average. Kurt seems to be looking for a way to combine several of his band's sounds: there's still the 60's thing (with his voice sometimes sounding like Robert Pollard, which doesn't thrill me so much) but he's starting to fill in all the space in the mix as in the older days. It's actually a pretty nice sound, though I sometimes wonder if he's just taken an incredibly circuitous route to arriving at a place very similar to Lenola. I still think he's got the best chord changes around, at least since Scott Miller stopped recording.

I hadn't heard the original album in a while, so I can't tell the difference w/the remixes...whatever the changes are, they don't smack you in the face. The sequencing is better than on Precollection.

dlp9001, Saturday, 31 July 2004 14:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I sometimes wonder if he's just taken an incredibly circuitous route to arriving at a place very similar to Lenola

Glad I stuck with Lenola, then!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 1 August 2004 15:35 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
If you've wandered over to the Returns Every Morning fan site the discography mentions a lot of recordings between 1990 and 1992, as well as some video of the band from that period. Any one ever come across the audio or video? Any helpful hints for tracking it down? I'm within spitting distance of owning all of their commercially available material, and I've got Send In the Subs and the other fairly available boots. But this early stuff, both audio and video, doesn't seem to want to reveal itself to me.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Monday, 25 April 2005 01:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i remember NME giving better... a 9 on its initial release but then they quickly soured on them after the nanny in manhattan commercial and decided to give the reissue a 2. the reissue has the nice b-side from nanny in manhattan on it, i forget what it was called. i remember having the sub-pop single and i taped it and for some reason it played slightly too fast and after i fixed it i realized it sounded better sped up slightly but i had already taped over the songs. he needs to make a record with andrew prinz producing but i imagine his ego is too out of control for that.

keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 25 April 2005 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link

I think the Nanny b-side is "More Than That is Deserved."

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Monday, 25 April 2005 12:41 (fourteen years ago) link

weird, i woke up this morning and put on history of amazing letdowns just to hear "ginger".

if you've got a moment, folks should check out this philly band called THE A-SIDES [http://www.a-sides.net/]. they started off as this rudimentary garage / 60's throwback on their first single but their recently released full length is as close as you're going to get to the second coming of classic lilys. and the thing is, when i listen to the record, there's no blatant ripping off of heasley's style -- its just got a similar vibe to the classic records. best local release of the year, hands down.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 25 April 2005 12:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Purchased and eagerly awaited. Thanks for the tip.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Monday, 25 April 2005 12:45 (fourteen years ago) link

he needs to make a record with andrew prinz producing

he certainly does. actually a lot of people do. he's the twee nigel godrich.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Monday, 25 April 2005 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link

it's true. man he'd be perfect for the radio dept. too.

keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...
hay guyz i dont know anything about these dudes but i think this record is amazing
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd200/d235/d23508ecxm8.jpg

and what, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:08 (twelve years ago) link

no foolin'

"returns every morning" and "welfare murder plot" both shit all over everything the shins have and could ever do, and i like the shins.

this is still true (except i like the shins less now)

electricsound, Sunday, 13 May 2007 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

I have every Lilys record on my iPod at ALL TIMES.

Maybe I am insane.

I think "Better Can't Make Your Life Better" is my favorite.

I still wear cords...

Saxby D. Elder, Monday, 14 May 2007 03:23 (twelve years ago) link

the last lilys record was not good.

keythkeyth, Monday, 14 May 2007 04:26 (twelve years ago) link

eleven months pass...

"ginger" from A Brief History of Amazing Letdowns" is catchy as hell. I can see Ned's complaints about their more-MBV sounding stuff. They aren't all that great at it (which, given the setting, is what you saw at that Terrastock set you mention upthread?). As dlp9001 sorta points out above, trying to do too much in some songs, not enough in others. When their songs are pop-y, they're quite fun.

john. a resident of chicago., Saturday, 3 May 2008 17:50 (eleven years ago) link

i would listen to 'in the presence of nothing' before either mbv album any day of the week

electricsound, Saturday, 3 May 2008 18:27 (eleven years ago) link

Eccsame The Photon Band is an excellent album.
That split with a Aspera Ad Astra is smart too.

Moving away from the MBVisms to the Kinks - I thought that 'Better Can't Make....' was wholly listenable for want of a less boring description.

I love me some Lilys. Talented geezer.

Fer Ark, Saturday, 3 May 2008 18:52 (eleven years ago) link

They aren't all that great at it (which, given the setting, is what you saw at that Terrastock set you mention upthread?).

I honestly can't remember. We're talking six years ago now!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 3 May 2008 18:59 (eleven years ago) link

Def. The Three Way, which is the most Zombie-like. "Socs Hip." I don't have that record anymore and can't find it anywhere.

Kate, Sunday, 4 May 2008 15:14 (eleven years ago) link

I still listen to Zero Population Growth on occasion, but now I honestly can't remember much of their other albums.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 5 May 2008 16:41 (eleven years ago) link

Some of the through-composition on The 3-Way is ridiculously impressive; I think it let itself get written off as a pastiche record, but it had that great pastiche-record quality where having heavy inspiration lets you make something a million times more complex and ornate and ambitious than a lot of the stuff you're drawing on.

There's a song on Eccsame called "The Hermit Crab," which I listened to once on a listening station in 1996 or so. I didn't buy the record, but the song stuck with me enough that I spent years afterward trying to re-write it myself, a bit, from bad memory: I'd try and write a song something like this great song whose details I couldn't begin to remember. I dug the song up, recently, and it was a bit weird to listen to: every other hook, riff, or melody has some distorted misremembered cousin in songs I've written since then. (Even one three-word snippet of lyrics!) I suppose a decent amount of the original wound up embedded deep in my head, and kept coming out without my realizing it.

nabisco, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:08 (eleven years ago) link

There's an unreleased song that can be downloaded from the lilys' myspace page called "The right thing to do." It's odd, and not a greatest hit or anything. After downloading it, I notice that it's already labeled as track #10, and now I wonder just how many other unreleased tracks there are. Hmmmm.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

I can see Ned's complaints about their more-MBV sounding stuff. They aren't all that great at it

they were about as good at it as anyone else; consider the sliver of money they recorded that first album on and, sonically, how close it is to Loveless (and consider when it was recorded as well), that's impressive. Songwriting wise it doesn't match up but everything else is close enough in my book.

I still think Eccsame the Photon Band is better though

akm, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 17:43 (eleven years ago) link

i am hoping the mythical pas/cal album will end up in the place where i wish the lilys had ended up after 'the 3-way'. the first song from the pas/cal album is very lilys, well from that time period.

keythkeyth, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 01:39 (eleven years ago) link

seven months pass...

what up bitches i still dig this can anybody recommend other 60s type ish with real memorable hooks that i can go live inside whenever i get tired of how fuckin b.s. rap in 09 is

and what, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 05:39 (ten years ago) link

lol this song always reminds me how i eff w/ these dudes

and what, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 05:41 (ten years ago) link

i heartily recommend outrageous cherry

Lemonade In Hammocks (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 05:57 (ten years ago) link

Should have said "reissue prospect". Don't want to confuse anyone looking at the bottom of the thread first. Hoping it'll finally happen someday.

Evan, Sunday, 28 September 2014 14:15 (five years ago) link

I have a spare CD copy of In the Presence of Nothing (Slumberland).
Any interest or guidance of best places where to sell?
*Places tin hat on

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Sunday, 28 September 2014 15:16 (five years ago) link

Heh- well you can sell it for $30+ on amazon or ebay most likely. Otherwise a record store will buy it from you for $4-$8 so they can then go and do the same (from experience as a former buyer at a record store- we had an amazon store).

Evan, Sunday, 28 September 2014 15:53 (five years ago) link

Thanks for your advice Evan. May try Amazon. I have a load of stuff to shift. Hopefully...

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:12 (five years ago) link

You're welcome! Another point on Amazon- try to price competitively with other entries of the same condition. What I mean is if you feel your copy qualifies as "very good" vs "like new" price it below the lowest very good listing but not higher than any like new listing (in case this isn't already obvious to you). Helps move your items quick but for the most money you should expect per disc!

Evan, Monday, 29 September 2014 00:57 (five years ago) link

Oh, I forgot to mention discogs.com as well. That could be a good route too I just don't have experience selling there (only buying).

Evan, Monday, 29 September 2014 00:59 (five years ago) link

Much appreciated Evan
apols to you and all for clogging this one up a touch

Paul

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Monday, 29 September 2014 07:46 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Nooooooooo! A guy started making a documentary about Kurt back in 2007 but he sadly took his own life and the footage is lost. Man, I'd love to see the rest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KkfWuPIe3U

MaresNest, Sunday, 2 November 2014 11:10 (four years ago) link

Yeah, I talked to Kurt about this- he said he wanted it to get finished but personally I don't have a ton of faith that he will make it happen.

Evan, Sunday, 2 November 2014 14:01 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

JP edition #1 on east/west Japan with bonus: Welfare Murder Plot/Baby's A Dealer (aka Who Studies The Past? subpop single of the month)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/odb00f90qag4nd9/Better%20Can%27t%20Make%20Your%20Life%20Better.zip

If you just want Which Studies The Past?
http://www.mediafire.com/file/bslxwe8b8rpg29t/Which%20Studies%20The%20Past.zip

― A Scanner Snarkly (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, March 2, 2011 3:33 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Any chance for a re-up? I lost these files...

Evan, Saturday, 2 April 2016 02:46 (three years ago) link

I still have about half of Send In The Subs as 128kb Mp3s, can't bear to listen to them, *sigh*

MaresNest, Saturday, 2 April 2016 08:56 (three years ago) link

Why's that?

Evan, Saturday, 2 April 2016 11:17 (three years ago) link

I found it on S**lseek then the guy quite halfway through and I've never been able to find it again in decent quality.

MaresNest, Saturday, 2 April 2016 11:32 (three years ago) link

Evan/Mares I put some of these on dropbox.

Send in the Subs I've only even seen as 128 but this has all 14 tracks: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6s4mrktqeh74t4e/AAB48eIvDfrPFi3ajDCc1rRta?dl=0
1998 remix of Better: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kqjoo87rs6fo9m1/AABBUmCGicf6gxxbz5W50Y8ka?dl=0
and the Which Studies single (i think this may be shasta's?): https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6ocsrtwhfg3s85m/AAAjNmAHWgc5mKTbkmjH-85Ea?dl=0

city worker, Saturday, 2 April 2016 12:46 (three years ago) link

Hey! That's very kind, thanks so much city worker!

MaresNest, Saturday, 2 April 2016 13:31 (three years ago) link

Yes, thank you! Sitting at the DMV right now so you've made my morning better.

Evan, Saturday, 2 April 2016 14:36 (three years ago) link

I hope I'm doing this right. Here's the other hard-to-find Lilys thing (at least in the US): their self-titled album, which is a remix of Precollection with the addition of several new songs. It's actually my favorite thing they've done.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/71f20et5zbsh438/AADBps42CpyVxJ6yOkRryRTUa?dl=0

dlp9001, Monday, 4 April 2016 23:21 (three years ago) link

It's great! Hung out with a guy who did some drumming on that version, so I got a copy from him naturally!

Evan, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 04:45 (three years ago) link

OK the 1998 remix sounds like "George Lucas presents Lilys - Better Can't Make Your Life Better SPECIAL EDITION" given the way new sounds and flourishes are jammed into every corner of most of these songs.

Still like it a lot though, just kind of funny after having known the other version so well for so long without ever having gotten around to this one.

Evan, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 19:01 (three years ago) link

I've always been a bit confused, just to get this straight, the original version of Better has a false start on 'Nanny..' right?

MaresNest, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 21:12 (three years ago) link

thanks for the uploads!
"here i go out the door of my apartment before I miss my train and there's no way that is happening"

calstars, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 21:26 (three years ago) link

Well, there's a little guitar intro in the beginning on the original version if that's what you mean.

xp

Evan, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 15:54 (three years ago) link

Just realized I've never heard "Glosseder" (I don't think I have, at least) which appears to only be on the vinyl version of A Brief History Of Amazing Letdowns... can anyone provide some info or an upload of that track even? If it exists digitally at all.

Evan, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 15:58 (three years ago) link

"Welfare Murder Plot" reminds me of Lansing-Dreiden

calstars, Thursday, 7 April 2016 01:44 (three years ago) link

bump. dying to hear "Glosseder". Still can't remember if I've ever investigated this track before.

Evan, Thursday, 7 April 2016 15:30 (three years ago) link

Prob shouldn't share dropbox links publicly so PM-ed you Evan re: Glosseder.

city worker, Saturday, 9 April 2016 11:44 (three years ago) link

Thanks so much!

Evan, Saturday, 9 April 2016 12:28 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

I thought this may appeal to some of you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCX-xhFlSl4

MaresNest, Monday, 9 May 2016 20:12 (three years ago) link

Why's that?

Man I haven't listened to Bob Drake in like 8 years.

Evan, Monday, 9 May 2016 20:15 (three years ago) link

I thought it had a flavour of Lilys in there

MaresNest, Monday, 9 May 2016 21:49 (three years ago) link

Oh, I agree! Ok, just making sure there wasn't more to it. I mean, there is a guy named Kurt involved.

Evan, Monday, 9 May 2016 22:39 (three years ago) link

BD could make an absolutely killer '66 era pop psyche album with one hand tied behind his back, his voice alone is custom built for those summery harmonies.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 10 May 2016 07:23 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Was this oral history of post-shoegaze Lilys ever posted here?

http://magnetmagazine.com/2017/07/03/magnet-classics-the-making-of-the-lilys-the-3-way/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 10 January 2019 17:40 (nine months ago) link

New to me! Thanks for sharing

Evan, Thursday, 10 January 2019 18:07 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

I suppose my holy grail would be the Lilys 'Send in the Subs' CD-R, I can barely get a decent quality rip of it never mind an actual hard copy.

― MaresNest, Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:39 AM (two weeks ago)

I lost my copy! Wish I could help you out...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 16:59 (seven months ago) link

city worker hooked us up in 2016 but not sure if the quality was good enough for Mares

Evan, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 17:03 (seven months ago) link

Thank you both! I would love a higher quality rip than 128kbps, the search goes on! Maybe I should try and ask Kurt :)

MaresNest, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 17:25 (seven months ago) link

He's pretty active on twitter...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 22:49 (seven months ago) link

Thank you both! I would love a higher quality rip than 128kbps, the search goes on! Maybe I should try and ask Kurt :)

320kbps rip on slsk right now.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 February 2019 01:16 (seven months ago) link

YSI?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 28 February 2019 04:04 (seven months ago) link

I did a search on slsk yesterday and have just done one now with no results, whoever they are we don't keep the same hours I guess :)

MaresNest, Thursday, 28 February 2019 10:50 (seven months ago) link

there's a user now ("f**d*ngb*ck") who has most of it in 192

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 28 February 2019 20:18 (seven months ago) link

Not seeing it... :-( Hopefully MaresNest can find it.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 28 February 2019 20:37 (seven months ago) link

seven months pass...

https://i.imgur.com/ubQgRrF.jpg

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 19 October 2019 06:38 (one hour ago) link


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