recommend me some lost shoegaze classics

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As for shoegazer also-rans, let's see, there was Chapterhouse, Levitation, Revolver... erm... I'm sure there were more...

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 07:17 (twenty years ago) link

I like Split a helluva lot more than Spooky, which, um, kinda sucks. Granted my affinity for it could be mainly because of sentimental reasons.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 07:21 (twenty years ago) link

There were a couple of songs by Chapterhouse I used to dig, but I misplaced the album about a decade ago. There was a year in my life (coincidentally, my first year of university) when I was buying anything with either a shoegaze or "madchester" tag — Charlatans UK and Inspiral Carpets come to mind. I was even spending my parents' hard-earned money on Northside, a truly crap band.

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 07:23 (twenty years ago) link

I'd be tempted to work backwards from the 'gazer thing. Try AR Kane's 69 and the Lolita EP or the first House of Love album.

Other than that, go and get Piano Magic's 'Low Birth Weight'.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 07:34 (twenty years ago) link

Drop Nineteens!
I used to love that song, you know, pure noise all the way, until it drops in the middle and some girl says something ordinary as in the middle of a conversation, but her voice. Man, I used to be in love with her!

Medicine!

Maybe not 100% shoegaze, but close enough...
The Cranes
Curve
Bleach
Swirlies

daarkbee, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 07:56 (twenty years ago) link

if we can get our head out of the early 90s for a sec i recommend Inner Sleeve's "Looking Up" and anything on Clairecords, especially the Malory album.

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 07:58 (twenty years ago) link

Lilys, yes, though they went all 60s garage. Though wasn't there also a Shoegazer supergroups called the Lillies?

Bleah, feh. Ditto Catherine Wheel. Though Curve had their moments. Cranes were interesting, but not exactly Shoegazer.

Gah, there were a lot of dire Shoegazer bands, weren't there?

kate (kate), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 08:34 (twenty years ago) link

Curve had great moments, but I'd def. not include them in this category. You can't really shoegaze with such a groove

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 08:49 (twenty years ago) link

submarine

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 09:43 (twenty years ago) link

Of course, someone is supposed to point out about now that Isn't Anything is a good deal better than Loveless.

Anyone for early Moose or the Telescopes or even the Swirlies?

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 09:54 (twenty years ago) link

drop nineteens - kick the tragedy, is the song you are thinking of

secret shine, smashing orange, medicine (and later on, alisons halo)

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 09:56 (twenty years ago) link

Well... Curve. They went to Syndrome, ergo, they were Shoegazers. :-P

kate (kate), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 09:58 (twenty years ago) link

Can't believe no one has mentioned Moose yet. Also there was a Sarah band called Eternal (featuring members of Slowdive) who released a 7 inch that encapsulated the genre in a mere three songs!

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 10:43 (twenty years ago) link

And looking back someone did mention Moose anyway, doh! The worst shoegazing band evah were Feral. Truly dull.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 10:46 (twenty years ago) link

Glad to see everyone mentioning all the bands I love. I think the only one I've not seen mentioned so far is the Charlottes, whose last album "Things come apart" was at the rockier end of the shoegazing spectrum. Everything else I'll agree with - get some Medicine, the Telescopes' Creation EPs and LP... nice to see someone else mentioned Submarine before I did.

Rob M (Rob M), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 10:48 (twenty years ago) link

Christ... I was going to add a note mentioning Eternal and Feral and I was beaten to the punch. Feral's one single was cool anyway, but not as good as Eternal's.

Rob M (Rob M), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 10:50 (twenty years ago) link

Can't believe no one has mentioned Moose yet

Justin referred to them in his original message (Sonny + Sam)

Me, I can't believe that no-one has mentioned Kitchens of Distinction yet. No, scratch that, actually I can.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 11:05 (twenty years ago) link

Though wasn't there also a Shoegazer supergroups called the Lillies?

That's The Lollies, Kate - don't you remember anything? ;-)

Everyone's mentioned everything I remember from then, and some more, but this thread is most useful for my hopefully forthcoming shoegazeish night in Bethnal Green.

Ooh, what about Dr Phibes & The House Of Wax Equations? I'm sure I liked that album at one point. Anyone gonna burn me a copy of Gala then? Pretty please...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 11:30 (twenty years ago) link

We seem to have pretty much the same records held as shoegaze classics, so I'd add my other one: Ferment, the first LP by Catherine Wheel.

John 2, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

Going Blank Again

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 12:00 (twenty years ago) link

Though I'm sure Ned will be here soon to "sort us out". ;-)

Dammit, you people have already covered things pretty well, what's left! Even Clairecords got a mention!

Though there's actually room to address some stuff that is gaze influenced that doesn't exactly follow the formula. Flowchart's Cumulus Mood Twang is one of the best things to follow in the wake of Loveless that captures, indeed, mood without simply trying to recreate. Meanwhile, the good Spencer Chow and Job de Wit pointed out to me a slew of recent techno efforts from Europe which also reflect that interest -- M83 was enjoyable enough, but I liked the Ulrich Strauss (I think that's his last name?) effort more. Good to see Rob mentioning the Charlottes -- when it comes to earlier bands, Closedown out here in California created a lovely album, Nearfield, that while very gaze/Cure influenced was remixed in studio to try and emphasize a more zoned out New Age approach at the behest of their label, Silent. So while flawed, it's still worth a listen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 12:10 (twenty years ago) link

There were so a Lillies. (Not sure about the spelling.) Miki Berenyi was in them, as was - I think - someone from MBV? They did a football song, that's all I remember. Something about David Seaman?

Someone else has GOT to remember this.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 12:13 (twenty years ago) link

there's a nice single "phonefreak honey" by Sweet Jesus, I don't know anything about them but it's good shoegazey (lite) pop.

cuspidorian (cuspidorian), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

The Ecstacy Of Saint Theresa - S/D

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 12:28 (twenty years ago) link

Kate is - of course - correct.

I can't do links so... http://www.evo.org/html/group/lillies.html

Rob M (Rob M), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

anything Swervedriver, check 'em out here:

http://www.live365.com/stations/glove7?play

David Gates of Delirium, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

Does early Seefeel count? I really liked the Ulrich Schnauss record from earlier this year, "A Strangely Isolated Place".

d.w., Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

Ulrich Schnauss thirded, the above-mentioned album is quite lovely. And I've just remembered a funny little Japanese band called Sugar Plant who released a brilliant gazey album on, I think, World Domination Records a few years post-gaze apex but still...grand.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

Vindication! Yes!

(God, I am pathetic that I remember these sorts of things)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:32 (twenty years ago) link

That makes me as pathetic as you then Kate 'cos I remembered it, and I've yet to find a copy of the record either.

Rob M (Rob M), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:54 (twenty years ago) link

I also remember a band called The Rosemarys who were kinda 90s-era shoegaze... Same goes for JPS Experience (a lot of the Flying Nun stuff would qualify). And my patriotic Canadian side is obliged to mention sianSPHERIC and southpacific...

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:54 (twenty years ago) link

Were Smashing Orange shoegazers? I have their "The Glass Bead Game" which is ok. But, a long time ago I saw an auction on eBay for an earlier album of theirs (not listed on AMG) that went for pretty big bucks. It was advertised as a shoegazer classic. Can't remember it's name.

dlp9001, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:56 (twenty years ago) link

Toulouse's The Way The City Stretches is a bona-fide classic, even if it missed the shoegaze movement by a good 5 years. "Know Better" is stunning and always gets included on my shoegaze comps.

Another great band often overlooked is Half-String from Arizona. They put out several discs on IPR. A Fascination With Heights is the strongest in my book, with "Momentum" being my favorite amongst a strong set of songs.

Boston act the Curtain Society were on Bedazzled, their second disc Life Is Long Still is a bargain bin staple and worth the small change for the opener "Mouthwithout" ... perhaps one of my favorite opening riffs of a shoegaze song ever.

Another not mentioned is Alison's Dress (their comp was on Burnt Toast, "Torn is my fave).

I have a shoegaze CD-R I made for myself, if anyone wants a copy just drop me a note. Contains all the above and Ropers, All Natural Lemon & Lime Flavors, An April March, Revolver, Belltower and others mentioned above.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

Medicine again, and yes, that "Phonefreak Honey" single is great.

How 'bout the first two Straitjacket Fits records, if we're looking to Flying Nun type stuff? The first one especially is great...

M Specktor (M Specktor), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 16:12 (twenty years ago) link

Another not mentioned is Alison's Dress

You mean Alison's Halo. Since we're out here, Love Spirals Downwards' second album is a 'gazing classic in my book, it's called Ardor.

The Secret Shine compilation CD should be out soon, you won't go wrong with that.

Sugar Plant's most shoegazing album is probably Trance/Mellow, somewhere close to Slowdive's Souvlaki. Their first two albums are more in the Galaxie 500 vein... After After Hours is classic.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

rosemarys! the first album is great. the second album is okay. the lyrics are dire. This was probably the case with most shoegaze bands though most of them had the presence of mind not to print the lyrics in the booklet. the keyboardist, matt, is in Charles Atlas with a member of piano magic.

double recommendation for Swervedriver's first album.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

The Drop Nineteens! Just for "Winona".

adaml (adaml), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 16:47 (twenty years ago) link

I would like to big up Levitation some more if that's alright. Even When Your Eyes Are Open is just amazing.

I would also put in a small shout for Verve's early singles, Gravity Grave, She's a Superstar and All In the Mind. In fact, the whole of the Storm in Heaven album was the tail end of shoegazing-type music for me, and reminds me what a beautiful band they were before they went shit. Although they weren't really shoegazers per se, it fitted in with what I was listening to at the time.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think I'd call Levitation shoegazers.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

Codeine's "Barely Real" is king of shoegazery, and pretty good. Or is it slowcore? Or sadcore? Or spacerock? Oh, whatever....

adaml (adaml), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 16:56 (twenty years ago) link

"king of shoegazery"=kind of shoegazery

adaml (adaml), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

I gotta represent SouthEastern Michigan here - there was somewhat of a shoegazer revival/resurgence here in the late 90's - it has died down for the most part but definitely had its moments.

Two of the bigger local labels were Mind Expansion Records & Burnt Hair Records- some of the local acts included Fuxa, Windy & Carl (who run a nice indie record shop in Dearborn - Stormy Records), Miss Bliss, Tomorrowland (more ambient/idm, but in the same local scene), His Name is Alive, Auburn Lull, & Transient Waves (outta Philly but w/ ties to the Michigan scene).

Other related stuff was coming out around the US as well from the likes of Darla Records & Kranky Records, and groups like Hopewell (members of Mercury Rev), Jessamine, Bowery Electric, etc, etc..

pete from the street, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

>Toulouse's The Way The City Stretches is a bona-fide classic, even if >it missed the shoegaze movement by a good 5 years. "Know Better" is >stunning and always gets included on my shoegaze comps.

bona-fide classic, absolutely! i never tire of this wonderful record, which recreates dreamlike strolls in rainy cities like few others have done. their later garage-mod output is...interesting, but i never listen to it much. are half-string or curtain society anything like toulouse?

chomicat, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think I'd call Levitation shoegazers.

I wouldn't have automatically thought of Levitation as shoegazers either, but someone else did upthread (I wouldn't describe them as also-rans either).

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

the glass bead game is rubbish, but the smashing orange stuff from before that is great. the other sweet jesus songs were as good as phonefreak honey also, search everything by them

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

I love Fuxa! the latest album in particular. I even liked the one before that that everyone hated.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

codeine <> shoegazer

i'd call them "indie-rock" but those more genre-centric may refer to them as "slow-core".

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link

see also the Ropers, from Washington DC.

still extant bands out here:
Color Wall, from LA
The Jealous Type, from Ann Arbor, MI
The Flashing Astonishers, from i ferget where

oh yeah, and the Dykehouse album, when it finally comes out.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

We totally love looking at our shoes.

The comp that comes with the new issue is really really good.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

Also, somebody in this bitch should give love to Paik.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 18:42 (twenty years ago) link

Love Smashing Orange! Everybody is pointing out my favorite bands this is great

Evan, Saturday, 12 February 2022 15:52 (two years ago) link

eleven months pass...

This feels like something Ned would like?

Anyway, this was circulated for years on blogs but I recently stumbled on this OFFICIAL download complete with the cassette artwork and this was exciting for me.

FREE DOWNLOAD, too!

https://washperth.bandcamp.com/album/wash

Evan, Monday, 16 January 2023 15:11 (one year ago) link

Huh, wonder what their deal was.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 January 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link

Obviously I don't have much info, but I heard they once opened for Swervedriver (in Australia where they're from). I do wonder why they didn't happen...

Evan, Monday, 16 January 2023 17:16 (one year ago) link

This tape is great though. Glad it exists. More people need to hear it.

Evan, Monday, 16 January 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link

Bumping because: see above post

Also I crave engagement (needy as usual) and am currently hopped up on music discoveries

Evan, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 14:43 (one year ago) link

Like this incredible one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjIzmQ1BGYM

Evan, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 15:28 (one year ago) link

This one kind of a Lorelei mixed with early Lilys, early Swirlies & early Polvo sound! Winner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uoCdmGIouw

Evan, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 17:08 (one year ago) link

This band is great too:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?app=desktop&list=OLAK5uy_k4Km8ZWlJyZE9BXcF3bsyG3sZHs6Iwlqk

Evan, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 20:55 (one year ago) link

It's Mean Red Spiders. For some reason that link used the app interface or whatever

Evan, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 20:56 (one year ago) link

Hey, thanks for the heads up on that Wash album!

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 00:32 (one year ago) link

You’re welcome!

Evan, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 01:37 (one year ago) link

Yeah that's a damn good listen.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 01:55 (one year ago) link

Ned - question for you - that band I posted above "Study of the Lifeless". I'm having a heckuva time finding concrete info about their 2nd album "World Revolves Around You". I presume it must have released on CD but the internet weirdly has no evidence of this. Do you know?

https://www.allmusic.com/album/world-revolves-around-you-mw0000986965

(btw someone made wild guesses with those "style" tags... way off)

Evan, Thursday, 19 January 2023 17:56 (one year ago) link

very weird hearing Filosofem by Burzum for the first time in the mid 90s and hearing the guitars on there. If you didn't hear the harshg vocals I think Shoegaze is very much what you would be thinking.
JUst checking this now and yeah definitely what I'm hearing.

Stevolende, Thursday, 19 January 2023 20:58 (one year ago) link

xpost Hm, couldn't tell you. One of those turn-of-the-millennium bands keeping the sound going as they could. Had almost forgotten about them!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 January 2023 21:20 (one year ago) link

Pluramon 2003 & 2007 albums
Luminous orange 1999 ep

CerebralCaustic, Thursday, 19 January 2023 21:58 (one year ago) link

Dang I guess I'll need to keep digging

xp

Evan, Thursday, 19 January 2023 22:21 (one year ago) link

Ultra Cindy!

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP-LgxRc_GDxbibbpTVGDJoAvv0fmk-Z7&themeRefresh=1

Evan, Thursday, 19 January 2023 22:22 (one year ago) link

Another Heaven is great for nugaze

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgv9n8ApQbs

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 January 2023 00:13 (one year ago) link

Just noticed that Fleeting Joys are active again
https://fleetingjoys1.bandcamp.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGVZTe5XOAE

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 20 January 2023 03:29 (one year ago) link

It's fairly well known but I don't see it mentioned enough outside Rateyourmusic: The Angel Pool by The Autumns is really gorgeous, can't recommend it highly enough, and the singer is the opposite from 99% of vocalists in the genre.

The Autumns - The Angel Pool
Sianspheric - (first two albums)
Teenage Filmstars - Star

two great bands with mostly same lineup:
Polar - A Future History Of The frigid Polar Night
Polar - Lies Set By The Polar Mob
Con Dolore - This Sad Movie

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 22 January 2023 00:46 (one year ago) link

The third album This Sad Movie is particularly amazing.

Another vote for Alison's Halo - Eyedazzler

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 22 January 2023 00:53 (one year ago) link

Alison's Halo have been working on a kind of wrap EP for, well, years now (not a complaint, I think they're just fitting it among other things, pandemic, etc.). Backed it a while back and seems like it should be coming out this year.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 January 2023 01:06 (one year ago) link

Didn't they have a new name like Locheed? I'm sure there was a new band coming from the duo?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 22 January 2023 01:42 (one year ago) link

It was in the myspace era and there might have even been sample tracks

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 22 January 2023 02:03 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOxlsKu3Ak

MaresNest, Sunday, 22 January 2023 14:16 (one year ago) link

A lot of gems on the Eastern European Shoegaze channel, like Bizarre from Estonia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIT-omWhX7Q

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 4 February 2023 08:03 (one year ago) link

This instant-classic from the Netherlands I heard for the first time last week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp20s51w0Cs

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 4 February 2023 08:07 (one year ago) link

^ The Nightblooms - Never Dream At All

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 4 February 2023 08:07 (one year ago) link

Same song, more noise. Take your pick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcpdIFZgAz8

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 4 February 2023 08:08 (one year ago) link

Secret Shine - Toward the Sky:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om-KCC4GRyQ

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 4 February 2023 08:16 (one year ago) link

I love both versions of Never Dream At All, long time fan of the Nightblooms

even the birds in the trees seemed to whisper "get fucked" (bovarism), Saturday, 4 February 2023 10:42 (one year ago) link

Maybe more dreamy than shoey, but anilore (Hudson valley/Brooklyn) got back together, reissued their 90s record, and put out 2 new things that keep the original flames alive w much fancier pedal boards

https://anilore.bandcamp.com/album/still-awake

bb, Saturday, 4 February 2023 12:48 (one year ago) link

ArchCarrier - I discovered Bizarre's Beautica on a shoegaze forum and I was very fond of it at the time, nice to see it's been reissued but still no CD

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 4 February 2023 13:13 (one year ago) link

Anilore sounds good, new to me

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 4 February 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link

Yes, same here!

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 4 February 2023 16:01 (one year ago) link

On the Secret Shine tip, I've been really loving Dreamscape this week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zNabzf8POw

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 4 February 2023 16:42 (one year ago) link

Truly a very lost classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0cffRUsuxg

Evan, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 12:44 (one year ago) link

I don't think Polar made anything quite as good as Con Dolore's This Sad Movie (I still consider both Polar albums very great) but this is one of my favorite Polar songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEYL28yFgtE

I could swear the singer had another band going after with tracks on Myspace, she was fantastic

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 11 February 2023 19:43 (one year ago) link

The new Pencey Sloe album strikes me as a future lost shoegaze classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLv0P5dKClA

Xgau Murder Spa (nikola), Monday, 13 February 2023 02:14 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Okay so wayyyyy back on this thread a few of us were talking about Australia's Gaslight Radio, who had shoegaze in their makeup if not totally that. They've recently put up a best of on Spotify and a slightly older one on Bandcamp -- worth checking out:

https://gaslightradio.bandcamp.com/album/best-of-gaslight-radio-1996-2006

https://open.spotify.com/album/13LPSQCsi5BNXoCQhMFASl

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 February 2023 03:31 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

Difference Engine quietly released their shelved 1994 album Flex Lavender on streaming services last year, with no accompanying info and no mention of a forthcoming physical release 🤔. it's less Disco Inferno and more Stereolab (at least on the Margie-sung tracks) than Breadmaker) and veers into trip-hop-gaze on the last track. imo the first six tracks + the intro of 'Sky Hutch' would have made for one of the best EPs of the era. it gets a little more pedestrian after that but it's solid enough throughout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osSfzmpyEoI

hogarth brooks (unregistered), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 02:38 (two months ago) link


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