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the death of speedy

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "nerd'owells". anyway re hellboy "the chained coffin and other storeis" is a good startign point.

:|, Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:59 (nineteen years ago) link

From Hell
Cerebus, or the first half of it anyway
Luther Arkwright and sequel

stewart downes (sdownes), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:02 (nineteen years ago) link

David Boring (by Daniel Clowes). I liked it even more than Ghostworld.
Sin City (very cool artwork).

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Hellboy's pretty good (Mignola's art is stunning), but it's not one of the greats. If you've never read a graphic novel before, then Watchmen is probably the best introduction to the medium. Sandman's quite patchy, in my opinion, although the second collection ('A Doll's House') is excellent, and you don't really need to have read the first to understand it.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Death Of Speedy
Ghost World
Return of Mr. X
Heartbreak Soup
Poison River
Watchmen
American Flagg: Hard Times
League of Extraordinary Gentleman 1 + 2

these are some of my faves off the top of my head

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

it kind of might depend on what you like in terms of fiction too. do you generally like stuff that, um, hellboy is like?

xpost: dans got good taste as per.

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Sandman is patchy. (shh! Don't tell anyone I said that.) I second "From Hell," and I guess "Watchmen," though honestly it *is* full of holes. The Dr. Manhattan character has problems. If he can do anything, then why... oh, you'll see.

More recently... Check out some Grant Morrison stuff if you want to feel all weird-sexy-crazy-cool. "The Invisibles" kicked my ass, and "The Filth" is so strange and disgusting it crawls. It's also cool. "Transmetropolitan" is half-recommended as well, though I may not like it as much as I should just because Warren Ellis is such a pompous, asshat, "look at me I'm so twisted" prick. But then I guess all comics writers are.

My man at the moment is Brian Azarello. "100 Bullets" is top shelf. Seriously. Do not miss it.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Avoid all chapbooks written by emoboys wallowing in self pity about how bad they treat women. In fact, somebody please take the emoboys' pens away.

I guess Chris Ware is an emoboy, but he's so good at it you forgive him. "Jimmy Corrigan" is pretty fucking brilliant. You'll stare at some of the pages for ten minutes. Then you'll have a cry.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i like peepshow!

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

actually get ed the happy clown - chester brown

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Invisibles seconded, but it goes downhill very fast after the fourth or fifth collection. Transmetropolitan is good, but you only need to read a couple to get the point- they're all pretty much the same.

Preacher's good if you like snappy dialogue, sick jokes, lots of violence, and somewhat dubious politics.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:55 (nineteen years ago) link

avoid "Blankets" -- ugh.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:58 (nineteen years ago) link

absolutely Ed the Happy Clown.

and for emoboys, The Sands by Tom Hart.

Chris Ware's storytelling needs to catch up to his visual inventiveness, artistic talent, structural genius etc etc.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:59 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, maybe. Early Alan Moore is like that, too. "V for Vendetta" is a bit of a mess.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

with the structure, i mean, not the visuals, which he did not draw, obv.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ed the Happy Clown is brilliantly deranged.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

meh.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sorry. I'll be quiet now.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.comicskins.com/csnnews/comfychair/08_27_2003/DeathofCaptainMarvel.jpg

This was the first comic book I remember ever being referred to as a "graphic novel". It's his power bands....they gave him cancer, just so ya know.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link

i'd second almost everything else above (except Preacher....ugh) and add
osama tezuka 'phoenix' series, especially 'a tale of the future'
yukinobu hoshino '2001 nights' - spooky scifi stories inspired by 2001
larry marder 'beanworld' - can't explain this. its strange.
rick smith & tania menesse 'shuck unmasked' - beautiful story about a little girl and her neighbour, a being with a very strange past.
alan moore 'top ten' - underappreciated gem, and very funny. you damn clicker!

zappi (joni), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.alarics.com/picsgrahicnovels/dc_hellblazerdangeroushabit.jpg

Garth Ennis writes, John Constantine gets cancer in an insultingly ordinary way. Classic.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link

yes i like that one.

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh, good thread. I know little about comic books, but have recently given in to them. I loved Watchmen and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. 100 Bullets is supposedly necessary. I'm currently reading Sandman Mystery Theatre: The Tarantula, which is good noir stuff, weird art.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link

What didn't you like about Blankets, Kenan? Too emo? I think Craig Thompson is a brilliant illustrator, though: he makes really good use of the page, knowing when to use panels and when to break free of them. Also, he can be extraordinarily detailed on one level (all the 1993-era posters in the girlfriend's bedroom!), while keeping another level (most faces) at beautifully simple broad strokes.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: Ariel Schrag, Potential, an account of the author's junior year of high school, published a year or two later. It's maybe more fun if you read the first two as well (freshman year: Awkward; sophomore year: Definition), just to get introduced to Schrag's life, although they're decidedly more amateurish.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:24 (nineteen years ago) link

And of course I second the mentions of Ghost World, Jimmy Corrigan, and From Hell.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:25 (nineteen years ago) link

oh jesus, Alan Moore's entire run on Swamp Thing which has finally finished reprinting is GREAT GREAT GREAT.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Hellboy's [...] not one of the greats.

Wooden lies!

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

And I'll be the only one to say this: Dark Knight Returns

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i'll be the only one to say this, then - elektra: assassin

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

gaz OTbloodyM

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Transmetropolitan is good, but you only need to read a couple to get the point- they're all pretty much the same.

I can see how you could get this idea if you've only read a few of them, but really the entire series is one grand, and very satisfying, story arc. Probably about 60% of the issues contribute to it. It's good election year reading, too. There need to be more political comics!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i guess he's never written anything close to a "novel," but robert crumb has to be mentioned. you should start with either "r crumb draws the blues" or "my troubles with women."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

big vote here for "Elektra: Assassin". Bill Sienkiewicz > Dave McKean. And for pure "Wow, Jesus!" artwork, "Hard Boiled."

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

JD -- first see the movie "Crumb."

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Batman - year one," anyone?

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, "Stray Bullets."

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i have the itch to spend a lot of money now. can't say why.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

i need to read more stray bullets. i have the second volume and liked it a lot.

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

My favorite Batman is "Arkham Asylum," which wouldn't have been possible without "Dark Knight" (a lot of things wouldn't have), but bests it, IMO. It boils Batman down to the caricature that he kind of is anyway ("Dirty punks!") and makes the Joker a filthy little pervert ("How's the boy wonder? Shaving yet?"). Dave McKean draws.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link

meh

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

What didn't you like about Blankets? Too emo?

Well, yeah. It's just me, I know. I don't go to comics to see people being sensitive. Combine that with a lot of the genuinely whiny crap that has been selling at the comic store lately, and I guess I'm just not able to appreciate "Blankets" for what it is. It might be Stevie Ray Vaughn, but white-boy blues gets on my nerves in general, you know?

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

actually though, yeah, the joker is pretty great in AA.

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't go to comics to see people being sensitive.

With the exception of Chris Ware, who is the exception the proves the rule. Besides, he's less whiny than just flat out fucking depressing.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Xmen vs Fantastic Four, Xmen: Dark Pheonix Saga, Ghost in the Shell


okay, these are actually trade paperbacks, but oh well.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Alan Moore knows the score.

Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the crucial question here is "what do you like reading?". Absent that information, the only thing I can unreservedly recommned is The Adventures of Barry Ween: Boy Genius.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

re: Alan Moore, of late, his books, while wonderful, are only for real comics fans. While some of the ABC titles may make a good introduction to comics, stuff like Supreme should only be read by comic book geeks of the HIGHEST order, to catch all the references, cliches and conventions he's playing with. It's meta-comics, comics about comics. Obv. he's always done this to a degree but like a movie like Chinatown, does it pass the populist test? Can "normal" people appreciate it?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I would guess yes. Supreme's stories are references to other ones, but they're also stories in their own right. Top 10 must be annoying if you know no comics, like watching MTV in B&W.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:57 (nineteen years ago) link

^ Went with this.

djh, Thursday, 22 October 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link

(Ta).

Keep going with the recommendations, though. There is Xmas.

djh, Thursday, 22 October 2020 19:57 (three years ago) link

i picked up a few of the American Vampire graphic novels recently in a charity shop.
enjoyed them, so grabbed the rest via amazon.
not overly pricey, and fun.

mark e, Thursday, 22 October 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link

Also looking for suggestions for a couple of years older - 16 or 17?

djh, Monday, 26 October 2020 19:37 (three years ago) link

what other books or movies or TV do the 16/17 year old reader like?

Un-fooled and placid (sic), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 06:24 (three years ago) link

Um. I'm conflating two brothers but they've like Grant Morrison's We3, some of the darker Batman Comics, Axe Cop, Jon McNaught's Kingdom.

djh, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:46 (three years ago) link

There's a whole bunch of things they could go for, things really kinda open up at that reading age.

Perhaps Morrisson's take on Doom Patrol? Which is excellent, lemma chew on this and I'll come back with a list.

Hope Descender goes down well!

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:48 (three years ago) link

Descender was well received. Also bought http://www.claypipemusic.co.uk/2019/03/stagdale.html.

Now shopping for Xmas ...

djh, Monday, 2 November 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link

obvious one but i can't recommend louis riel by chester brown highly enough. maybe 14 is too young tho

flopson, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 06:43 (three years ago) link

yeah, get 'em I Never Liked You and The Playboy by Brown instead

edited for dog profanity (sic), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 07:01 (three years ago) link

^ Looking at the subject matter, I'm trying to decide whether this was a comedy response. Are they reasonable things to buy as presents?

djh, Thursday, 5 November 2020 12:25 (three years ago) link

it was a joke - they're fine for teen boys to read if they discover 'em themselves, but not to come from a parent or authority figure! both are about teenage insecurity, including burgeoning sexuality.

@oneposter (✔️) (sic), Thursday, 5 November 2020 12:48 (three years ago) link

"Son, here's everything you need to know about visiting prostitutes..."

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 5 November 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link

With recent(ish) comic books, I'd say Supermutant Magic Academy by Jillian Tamaki and Pumpkinheads by Rainbow Rowell are excellent reads for a teenager:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22752445-supermutant-magic-academy

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40864790-pumpkinheads

Tuomas, Thursday, 5 November 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link

And speaking of Hicks, here Nameless City trilogy is one of the best fantasy comics of this millennium. It's kid-friendly, but an extremely enjoyable and beautiful read for adults too.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/books/review/the-nameless-city-by-faith-erin-hicks.html

Tuomas, Thursday, 5 November 2020 14:22 (three years ago) link

Sorry, the post above was cut short, Pumpkinheads is written by Rainbow Rowell and drawn by Faith Erin Hicks, and the Nameless City is by Hicks alone.

Tuomas, Thursday, 5 November 2020 14:23 (three years ago) link

Seconded on those Tamaki and Rowell books.
Gotta catch up with Nameless City, only read the first volume which I liked

Nhex, Thursday, 5 November 2020 16:12 (three years ago) link

Sikoryak's Masterpiece Comics I feel is the platonic ideal of a gift you can get anyone.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 November 2020 17:28 (three years ago) link

... no, lol (as much as I like his work)

Nhex, Thursday, 5 November 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link

Tamaki and Hicks are good recs for YA readers, yes

@oneposter (✔️) (sic), Thursday, 5 November 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link

xp Whu... why not?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 November 2020 21:56 (three years ago) link

Anyone read Haugomat's Through A Life? (It came up as a recommendation if you like McNaught).

djh, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link

Any more suggestions?

djh, Thursday, 19 November 2020 22:37 (three years ago) link

Quite a few! Be patient with me.

Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2020 03:13 (three years ago) link

Ha! Thanks!

djh, Friday, 20 November 2020 09:02 (three years ago) link

A few things I've finished recently that I would recommend:

Alt-Life by Joseph Falzon and Thomas Cadene (Europe Comics - Sci-Fi)
http://www.europecomics.com/alt-lifespecial/

Upgrade Soul by Ezra Claytan Daniels (Lion Forge - Sci-Fi)
http://www.ezracdaniels.com/#/upgradesoul/

Clockwork Apple by Osamu Tezuka (Platinum Manga - Manga)
NB: this is decidedly minor by Tezuka standards but worth the read
http://www.fantasyliterature.com/reviews/clockwork-apple/

Pulp by Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips (Image - Crime Noir)
https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-5343-1644-7

The Kill Lock by Livio Ramondelli (IDW - Sci-Fi)
https://www.idwpublishing.com/product-category/the-kill-lock/

Bread and Wine: An Erotic Tale of New York by Samuel Delany and Mia Wolff (Fantagraphics - Romance)
https://threeimaginarygirls.com/bread-wine-fantagraphics-reissues-timeless-romantic-masterpiece/

Starving Anonymous by Yuu Kurasishi and Kazu Inabe (Kodansha - Horror)
NB: This is a seven book manga series and pretty deeply disturbing stuff. Great fun!
https://kodanshacomics.com/series/starving-anonymous/
https://mangakakalot.com/read-om4bi158504913701

Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link

Thanks forksclovetofu!

djh, Saturday, 21 November 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link

yah, thx!

brimstead, Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:03 (three years ago) link

Anyone read Matthew Dooley's Flake?

djh, Saturday, 28 November 2020 15:28 (three years ago) link

Or Jean-Marc Rochette's Altitude?

djh, Saturday, 28 November 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link

Grr. Ordered the above two books only to find they already had them.

Anything new?

djh, Monday, 7 December 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link

Not in response to any particular requests on this thread, but has anyone else been checking out the TKO Studios stuff? I've read a few of them and some are better than others but they all look really cool on the bookshelf. The two that stand out the most to me are Goodnight Paradise (a noir story set among the unhoused community in Venice Beach) and Redfork (supernatural horror set in a West Virginia town ravaged by opioid epidemic and problems with the local coal mine).

https://tkopresents.com/products/goodnight-paradise

https://tkopresents.com/collections/titles/products/redfork

I missed the entirely to Wave II and own, but have not yet read, Wave III's werewolf noir Lonesome Days and Savage Nights.

The Fearsome Doctor Fang from Wave I was not a hit with me at all. SARA, by Garth Ennis, is pretty well-acclaimed from what I understand, and I thought it was okay but a little bland.

peace, man, Monday, 7 December 2020 20:11 (three years ago) link

I have the Planetary Omnibus coming my way for Xmas, which I am expecting to enjoy.

Some recent GN purchases -

Seth - Wimbledon Green
Tom Gauld - Mooncop
Inio Asano - Nijigahara Holograph
Warren Ellis - Injection

All good, especially Wimbledon Green and Injection

Maresn3st, Monday, 7 December 2020 20:25 (three years ago) link

I also bought the first few volumes of Bill Willingham's 'Fables' for my nephew's secret Santa and it looks pretty interesting.

Maresn3st, Monday, 7 December 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link

Oh, one more, Jodorowsky and Moebius' 'The Incal' perhaps not a 14-year-old read, well maybe a trippy but edifying 14-year-old read, I'd have definitely been into it at that age, I think. The artwork alone is amazing.

Maresn3st, Monday, 7 December 2020 20:30 (three years ago) link

Fables is a good pick for teens who would vibe on it, because there are so. many. volumes

huge rant (sic), Monday, 7 December 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link

For some out-there stuff that's still PG rated, I liked V1 of Prism Stalker. Setting and story is A+ but the art is B-/C+ -- sloane leong is not great at drawing action poses.

wasdnuos (abanana), Monday, 7 December 2020 23:18 (three years ago) link

I think Trondheim’s INFINITY 8 is among the best comics of the year. All 24 issues available in English.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 01:24 (three years ago) link

8 volumes? A shame they're all in hardcover but it looks interesting. Has that changing art crew like Dungeon.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link

Doesn't seem PG rated with the nudity, same goes for Dungeon, looks deceptively child friendly and my copy of Dungeon Monsters: Heartbreaker says "perfect for kids" on the back cover and has two rape scenes; obviously whoever wrote that read different volumes.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 17:15 (three years ago) link

oh yeah they (and dungeon) aren't for kids. didn't note that was your line. i thought crowded by image was okay and might be teen appropriate?
https://imagecomics.com/comics/releases/crowded-vol-1-tp

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link

Assuming this thread is still serving DJH's 14 year old.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link

i'm serving gear from 16 years ago

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link

x-post. Thanks Robert. This thread has been so useful for buying presents for a close friends kids ... but doesn't have to be *all about me*.

djh, Friday, 11 December 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link


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