― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 May 2004 05:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 17 May 2004 05:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 May 2004 05:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 17 May 2004 07:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― NERQ, Monday, 17 May 2004 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 17 May 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 17 May 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link
Sadly, the Discovery Channel is also heading in the same direction. Sigh.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link
it was just a tangent actually, not meant as a direct reply... perhaps a little Food Network is in order...
― Kim (Kim), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link
except for the iron chef america crap.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link
-- tokyo rosemary (rosemarygilber...), May 16th, 2004.
right, or docs about the luftwaffe. everytime i turn this channel on it's something about the luftwaffe.
"top gun" IS history, though: tony scott's relentless soft-focus has become THE mode for blockbusters today. i'm sure that following the film they had a long discussion of film aesthetcs with audience call-ins.
― amateurist, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateurist, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:01 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.jeje.nu/rambo/3+.jpg
― m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link
Saw this on the big screen at the Laurelhurst here in Portland. This film is so, SO gay.
And what the fuck, Tim Robbins is in it!
― Brotherhood of Stealing Shit to Sell to Trader Caravans (kingfish), Sunday, 23 November 2008 08:30 (fifteen years ago) link
loving this thread
― i am not an idle hunter-gatherer, i am a scientist (rrrobyn), Sunday, 23 November 2008 09:00 (fifteen years ago) link
top gun = documentary on fags in the air force
lmao
― Ant Attack.. (Ste), Sunday, 23 November 2008 13:05 (fifteen years ago) link
fuck that this is a navy movie
― TOMBOT, Sunday, 23 November 2008 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 24 November 2008 02:17 (fifteen years ago) link
30 years old!
― mookieproof, Monday, 16 May 2016 21:44 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAopLTK4qVs
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Monday, 16 May 2016 21:52 (seven years ago) link
the meisterwerke of cinematic giant thomas cruise mapother iv
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Monday, 16 May 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link
how did it get so gay?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/how-did-top-gun-become-so-gay/
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
Manly men, being men.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 17:08 (seven years ago) link
Funny thing: when the movie came out, my dad had just served a short stint on an aircraft carrier as part of that year's RIMPAC exercise (thus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_RIMPAC ) involving contact with the submarines, which would lead to him being chief of staff for an admiral in a carrier group shortly thereafter (keep in mind his career was mostly submarines, so this was somewhat atypical, but given both subs and carriers are based out of San Diego, it was an easy temporary shift since he'd long since built up his career cred -- would have been an officer for almost 25 years at this point -- and after that he was the exec to the admiral in charge of the entire sub base at Point Loma). Anyway: we all went to see it as a family, and since we were Navy, living in San Diego etc., we were mostly watching it for the locations and the verisimilitude as much as would be allowed. Dad essentially became our own private narrator about a lot of the flight sequences, the crew and procedures involved on deck and so forth and that was totally fine, I think we were mostly bored with the story! Our conclusion was that Anthony Edwards was the one who actually acted most like a real Navy guy down to the mustache.
But as for it being gay as hell -- nah, no conscious thought about that at ALL, not that I think we would have even talked about it to begin with. I remember being amused by the volleyball sequence but mostly because I thought it just dragged on a bit and the song was goofy as hell.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link
a service that doesn't think twice about calling an exercise 'rimpac' may have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to homoerotic overtones tbf
― pokemon go speed run (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
Submarines, as is well known, are long, hard, and full of seamen, so.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link
Chinese fighter flies inverted over US Air Force jet
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/china-us-jets-intercept/index.html
they've been studying the classics i see
― goole, Friday, 19 May 2017 15:24 (six years ago) link
Whole movie? Nothing but a strip volleyball match.
Val Kilmer is indeed reprising his role as Iceman in 'Top Gun 2'. https://t.co/dODdP3hyzY— Collider (@Collider) June 6, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
Cruise’s Oblivion filmmaker Joseph Kosinski is in the director’s chair.
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
He's no Tony Scott, and I mean that sincerely.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link
otm
― and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link
KERSPLODE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSqVVswa420
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
glad to see they have a scene were they're on the beach oiled up like turkish wrestlers
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
i will definitely watch this
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:41 (four years ago) link
Can we get a Broken Arrow sequel next? Christian Slater isn't doing much these days.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 18 July 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link
oh hell yes, when you've got movies like Val Kilmer in them, you can't lose!
I plan on setting aside a weekend next summer to watch this, the Sonic the Hedgehog movie, and my VHS copy of Prefontaine, and call it my weekend of speed.
― del griffith, Thursday, 18 July 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
probably don't need to explicitly mention it, but I will also be consuming a vigorous quantity of methamphetamine while watching the movies
― del griffith, Thursday, 18 July 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
I had to look it up, but apparently there is no maximum age to be a military pilot. Would have been awesome, though, if this was about Maverick as a commercial pilot.
(Unrelated, just watched Easy Rider last night, and a lot of young Nicholson's smily mannerisms reminded me of Cruise's!)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 July 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link
weird to think Tom Cruise is now three years older than Jack Nicholson was when A Few Good Men was released.
― omar little, Friday, 19 July 2019 00:30 (four years ago) link
Oh my god !!!Beach volley, flight jacket and... F14 (how’s that even possible !? CGI, eh?) !!!I’m a 10 yo boy again...
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 19 July 2019 05:20 (four years ago) link
i was unenthused for about a nanosecond and rhen i saw Maverick and jets and :Dalso Jennifer Connelly! Ed Harris looks like a dusty old sphinx in that opening shot, it looks like he’s made of sand! Bad makeup/lighting job there :(
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 July 2019 05:32 (four years ago) link
Yeah J. Connelly is a great surprise !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 19 July 2019 05:38 (four years ago) link
Harris is only 11 years older than Cruise!
― Simon H., Friday, 19 July 2019 05:57 (four years ago) link
man tom cruise is really dead-set on dying during a stunt on a movie shoot isn’t he
― A man offers an inverted bottle of water to the Techno Viking. (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 July 2019 09:34 (four years ago) link
five the people what they want
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 19 July 2019 09:44 (four years ago) link
that’s just like, your opinion, man
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 20 February 2023 14:08 (one year ago) link
It is nothing but it is MY nothing!
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 February 2023 14:09 (one year ago) link
i don’t know if anyone on ilx knows my real life but i’m smart, i have all these things that i know and i’ve done that prove i’m smart, and that means i can’t ever be wrong, and if you’re telling me i’m wrong or that i’m approaching something incorrectly that’s being condescending and i’m going to write several endless posts about it
i know poptimism doesn’t graft directly onto movies but being baffled that ppl would respond to and want to defend their enjoyment of the most popular movie in the country doesn’t strike me as different from enjoying and defending [pop star]. i’m aware tom cruise is evil tho
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 20 February 2023 14:20 (one year ago) link
for the record i am a huge idiot and i approach all media as a huge idiot
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 20 February 2023 14:22 (one year ago) link
QED
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 February 2023 14:44 (one year ago) link
Or maybe it's just February.this ain't nothing when you live in a northern city
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 February 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link
I’m hearing this is the thread for the real culture appreciators. May I perhaps opine here?
― mh, Monday, 20 February 2023 15:25 (one year ago) link
Forks ftw for reals
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 20 February 2023 15:29 (one year ago) link
(Even more so for the Banshees takes)
The notion that Banshees is unduly praised on here does not remotely match with the reality of the thread. That thread is always accepting haters!
― better than whoever you are (gyac), Monday, 20 February 2023 15:50 (one year ago) link
I wouldn't know, I unbookmarked it pretty much the day after I saw it
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 20 February 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link
Eric, you've got to stop thinking of yourself as one of the hundred neediest cases.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 February 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link
During a break in the filming of the hangar scene a group of Navy officers being used as extras approached Tony Scott and complained about the unrealistic collection of patches on the flight suits of the actors. He replied, paraphrasing, "We're not making this movie for Navy fighter pilots, we're making it for Kansas wheat farmers who don't know the difference."
fwiw i was once acquainted with a navy pilot who was an extra on top gun and can absolutely see him doing this. he also said that kelly mcgillis was a huge bitch, which made me like her a little bit better
― mookieproof, Monday, 20 February 2023 17:32 (one year ago) link
lol, yeah that all tracks
― President of Destiny Encounters International (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 February 2023 17:56 (one year ago) link
I'm gonna talk about why I think they suck. You're gonna talk about why you think they don't. That's all fine!
yeah that’s not how a conversation works. if you don’t like something, you can say your bit about why you didn’t think it worked, etc.if you stick around, then either: a.) you’re willing to see someone else’s point of view and be convinced that you like it or b.) you really think other people are wrong and they should come around to your point of view
let me assure you: I read what you wrote, forks, and you have definitely been heard. I don’t get what the end game is here — we’re all swayed and we think Top Gun and the sequel suck? it’s wild to me that you made the point you carved out a significant amount of time in your life to watch both movies. like, dude, there’s like four hours of movie if I’m doing my math right. are you factoring in the number of minutes you spent torrenting them and the time spent arguing on a message board?
― mh, Monday, 20 February 2023 18:26 (one year ago) link
imo top gun: maverick doesn’t subvert or refute the tom cruise successful hero formula in that he always saves the day, but unlike some other AAA action stars, he’s willing to have his characters wear their flaws on their sleeves (in the first act, he’s always triumphant and redeemed in the final act)
tg: maverick is, if anything else, about a middle-aged man who has failed to progress beyond his greatest loss and triumph, which were always sides of the same coin. the ending of the first movie leads us to believe he’s redeemed himself, that he’s no longer going to carry the death of his friend. he can grow up, move on, and progress through life.
this seems to be the case on the surface when the sequel begins, but then you realize — he’s a test pilot because his self-image hasn’t progressed one bit. he’s got no wife, he’s avoiding his peers, people repeatedly question why he’s still a low-ranking pilot instead of an admiral or mentor. it was bizarre to me when they showed him repeatedly posting on a message board about how he knows all kinds of things about all kinds of planes, has flown more types of planes than anyone else, and definitely isn’t posting his way through a mid-life crisis before he managed to be the first guy to hit mach ten in that new prototype but this might have just flown over my head, much like the fifth generation fighters in the movie’s conclusion
tl;dr sometimes you have to recognize there’s more to life than getting the girl, being the fastest pilot, and owning a cool motorcycle. but at the end it looks like maybe this time he keeps the girl, becomes a mentor/father figure, reconciles with his best friend/rival, and finally figures out how to age with dignity. pretty decent plot imo
― mh, Monday, 20 February 2023 19:09 (one year ago) link
Tom Cruise is 60 years old. He's been in approximately 53 movies.
So.
If this is his "midlife crisis" he's going to die when he's 120, and he'll probably be in at least another 50 or so movies.
Strap in, it's gonna b e a bumpy ride.
― nat king cole slaw (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 20 February 2023 19:21 (one year ago) link
tom cruise plays a man of indeterminate age in most things these days
― mh, Monday, 20 February 2023 19:24 (one year ago) link
Apologies if I've said this before but: in the year 1983, my (Unitarian Universalist) Sunday school class got to vote on what movie we would see as our end-of-year treat. There were nine (9) votes for "Risky Business" and one (1) vote for "Terms of Endearment."
So yes, I first viewed the breasts of Rebecca de Mornay in the company of my church youth group. This was a formative experience and nothing before or since will ever rise to those heights of absurdity.
One of these days I am going to find out who voted for "Terms of Endearment." It has become my life's mission.
― nat king cole slaw (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 20 February 2023 19:44 (one year ago) link
Eric, you've got to stop thinking of yourself as one of the hundred neediest cases
There isn't enough to keep me as busy as I should be, really
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 20 February 2023 19:46 (one year ago) link
This absolutely belongs in a different thread but something I've been thinking about while flipping through the "how old is ILX" thread and writing in two dozen others: i'm eying middle age with a fairly well-rounded life to show for it. Most of you don't actually know me but I am, by literally anyone's standards, a remarkably well-culturally travelled, overeducated, curious, thoughtful guy. That's not to toot my own horn or act like I'm any better than whoever you are; those are just statements of fact. Yay me!
this is the funniest thing that has been posted on ilx in years
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 01:52 (one year ago) link
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 02:14 (one year ago) link
if anyone thinks I’m a dolt (a word no one uses imo!) they’re keeping it from me. but I don’t think the reaction here was without precedent when people were talking about how a tv show hit them in personal, close to home ways and forks bombed in to shit on it without reading the recent posts (Bad Sisters iirc) without context gives that precedent. forks, you have maybe inadvertently been threadshitting for a whileI feel like things are pretty honest these days in these parts and internet communication is still messy but has a lot of prior work to contemplate. the initial premise here was weirdly flawed. I was too young to watch Top Gun as a kid, but it was culturally omnipresent. I held myself as above the Bruckheimer school and perceived imperialist war machine crap for years, and also only watched the original in full a week before watching the sequel. I guess I’m a unicorn! But I seldom am, so it’s probably millions of us. if anything, the past couple years have taught me you can do things guilt-free outside of the perception of imaginary cultural arbitrators. you can watch a dumb thing that makes you feel nice before bed. you can realize having the perfect playlist is dogshit compared to just sitting in a park or quietly making pottery. there are no points to be traded in when you die, no one is going to squeak out their last gasp saying they wish they’d watched that obscure but acclaimed in small circles movie
― mh, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 02:14 (one year ago) link
This disagreement over the 2022 Top Gun Sequel has striking parallels with another disagreement over an Anglo-Irish Treaty
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 02:37 (one year ago) link
is there significant space between forks being wrong about a movie and "threadshitting"
yes
is engaging with him strongly on the former good
is just flinging out the latter ok
no
is the point of the whole exercise to be able to disagree and entertain ourselves- id have said so
perhaps im wrong
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 07:14 (one year ago) link
honestly I think I could have diffused this situation had I pointed out "furtermore" soon as I read it but was too in my cups/beside myself at the time, anyways thank you for that
have not seen either top guns but I suspect everyone is otm in their own special way, I do think it is bullshit that kelly mcgillis wasn't involved on account of the crime of...being an old lady, we can't all look like jennifer connolly, or tom cruise who is older than my dad yet looks younger than me, somehow
― Florin Cuchares, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 08:44 (one year ago) link
He eats placenta for breakfast.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 09:40 (one year ago) link
is just flinging out the latter okno
― better than whoever you are (gyac), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 10:00 (one year ago) link
Watch that much TV
if you dont care about the hot dog sequel you are wrong
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 10:14 (one year ago) link
I had a hot dog the other day for the first time in about 16 years, it was fine
― better than whoever you are (gyac), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 10:15 (one year ago) link
Aren't we finally over shit stirring and ad hominem and snark and unfocused aggression and derision and bad faith readings of one another's jotted off texts?
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 14:16 (one year ago) link
to clarify, I don't think there was any threadshitting in this thread
you have to stay very continent while in the Top Gun thread or things get real bad when you do that 180 degree inversion after bombing the undisclosed enemy country
― mh, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 14:59 (one year ago) link
it seemed weird to me that they were bombing Norway in that film
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 15:23 (one year ago) link
i hope you'll stay, forks. i hope i didn't add to the bad feelings with what i said upthread - i was just trying to be funny.
i don't understand pop culture or really criticism in general, even after 20 years on this board, so i try to stay out of the serious discussions about it. if i were the millionth person to talk shit on something like the MCU (the massive popularity of which alienates me as a human being) it would be a complete train wreck. similarly, i am completely incapable of talking about something like top gun. i enjoy reading everyone else's takes though
― President of Destiny Encounters International (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 19:49 (one year ago) link
(and even then, now i re-read what i posted and am afraid that it will be misunderstood and people will hate me for it. i am not sitting on a throne judging MCU and pop culture; i am a bird that just flew into a window, again)
― President of Destiny Encounters International (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 19:53 (one year ago) link
The Oscar for Best Sound goes to...'Top Gun: Maverick' #Oscars #Oscars95 pic.twitter.com/zog6ZAvNjf— The Academy (@TheAcademy) March 13, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 March 2023 09:23 (one year ago) link
Finally watched Maverick last nite... it was seriously one of the dumbest movies I've ever seen!! If I were a screenwriter, I feel like I would have been embarrassed to even pitch most of the plot points; let alone write them down; let alone put them in the actual movie!
FWIW, I don't even like the first Top Gun that much (re-watched that one recently, as well) – but this made it look like The f'in Godfather!
Even the best aspects (IMO) of the first movie – terrific aerial photography; making air combat feel "exciting" – weren't really present here, because it felt so totally unrealistic (I don't know how "realistic" Top Gun actually was, but it at least feels that way). Once the actual dogfighting finally happens in Maverick, the movie has long since entered the realm of pure fantasy. (Also, with regard to the actual mission itself – do they think no one remembers Star Wars??)
Anyway, kind of shocked this was so widely loved – I feel like I have a good tolerance for "dumb fun," but this wasn't really "fun" (beyond laughing at it)!
― chemtrails over the turkey club (morrisp), Sunday, 26 March 2023 19:37 (one year ago) link
I can't stand the first one, even the flying sequences.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 March 2023 19:41 (one year ago) link
the empire lost in star wars
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 26 March 2023 20:08 (one year ago) link
which was also, come to think of it, pure fantasy!
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 26 March 2023 20:09 (one year ago) link
Yeah, it was good fantasy!
― chemtrails over the turkey club (morrisp), Sunday, 26 March 2023 20:14 (one year ago) link
well i wont be disagreeing with a word of that pan obv
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 26 March 2023 21:03 (one year ago) link
obv
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 March 2023 19:25 (one year ago) link