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Dont even get me STARTED on that piece of dung. Schniztler's novella was pretty good. Kubrick however took it to the 20th century and hence destroyed it.

nathalie, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark S, maybe they have a different sense of humour? I do see humour in some of their movies.
Anyway, I think Kubrick had it worked out so well. Use a celeb couple. This will give the viewer a stronger sense of him/her being a voyeur. Because that is what we are. (Classic example of this is "Peeping Tom.") Eyes Wide Shut is about infedility but not the reality of it. It is all a dream (hence the title of the book, Traumnovella or the title of the movie Eyes Wide Shut). It is of course extremely freudian. Schniztler was friends with Sigmund and that shows in the story. But where the book worked, I don't believe in the film. This sort of thing isn't really plausible in the 20th century. People work out their lack of chemistry in their own marriage in other ways. They don't suppress their urges, they will express them. Secondly Tom Cruise can't act.

nathalie, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kubrick's 'sense of humour' - well, Dr. Strangelove obv. (tho' lots of it seems like Terry Southern to me, "precious bodily fluids" etc.) plus the fact that he did like to indulge rather broad English character actors (Leonard Rossiter in '2001' and 'Barry Lyndon', Michael Bates in 'Clockwork Orange', Sellars in 'Strangelove' and 'Lolita', even Alan Cummings in 'Eyes Wide Shut'.) I also think Lee Emery is v. v. funny in 'Full Metal Jacket'. 'The Shining', 'Clockwork Orange' and 'Eyes Wide Shut' all work for me as black comedies.

Antonioni's 'ideas' - that alienation can be a beautiful thing. Or, objects and landscapes can be more interesting than people, and that we can have 'relationships' w/spaces, architecture, colours.

Andrew L, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Eyes Wide Shut?

Eyes Wide Shit more like.

DavidM, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like dit allot thoug it was long as usual for Owl man. I was horrified at times. It had a dark ominous something in the background. Lie sexuality brings us both pleasure but hidden withiin is also menace. Kind of like the whole catholic guilt thing. I really enjoyed the two dwarfs and the littel girl part. What the...!?

Pennysong Hanle y, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

peeping tom = not kubrick, nathalie

having relationships w.colours not ppl = a good direction for mark s possibly sigh

mark s, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark S. I know. I was talking about voyeurism used in film.

nathalie, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I was really amped for this movie. I was expecting something dark, twisted and sensual.

What I got was Tom Cruise smugging the camera for THREE HOURS. "Eyes Wide Shut" can eat me. Had Tom been edited out of it, it would have been an infitely better movie. Hell, chopping out an hour of meandering would have made it a better movie. It tried so hard to be surreal that it ended up being ass.

Dan Perry, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Eyes Wide Shut is the best film ever made by a man or a woman.

Nick, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I really hoped it would be Kubrick's balls out porn movie. Since he had made loads of other types of movies it would have made sense. I thought it looked great but was about as dull as 2001, which is a pretty high watermark in the dullness of cinema.

Anyone see the Kubrick doco's on the last week. Woody Allen on Dr Strangelove was very interesting, saying that it wasn't as funny as it should be as Sellars stretched himself too much and Kubrick had no real sense of timing. Interesting.

Pete, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Blimey they could have got me to say that and saved on airfare. I am inclined to argue that A.Lyne's Lolita = bettah.
Use Other Argts Please: "But 2001 is ABOUT boredom and sterility! It is a SATIRE!!"

mark s, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

2001 probably loses a lot without context, ie being on the big screen in the 60s. The perplexing ending is one of my favorite things ever committed to film.

Of the Kubrick movies I've seen, the best is CLEARLY "A Clockwork Orange". That's the only one with any real sense of pacing. "The Shining" has some brilliant moments in it, too. Haven't seen "Full Metal Jacket" or "Lolita" and I can't remember "Dr. Strangelove".

Dan Perry, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
The first time I saw it EWS I thought it was average, the second time I thought it seemed different, I actually got into the slow pace, I just don't know if the version is as Kubrick intended it, didn't he die before the final cut?

Daniel Cross, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, he did. Tho I think it probably would have been a "failed" movie anyway. You know all those shots where Tom Cruise is in the back of the cab, in his gloves and dark coat, brooding and scowling? You can find the orig. script(s) online, and in them, these shots were all supposed to have voice-over, kind of "get inside his head" type moments... but we never really get inside his head... Kubrick raises questions that seem good at first because he's trying to hypnotize you, but even if you accept them as interesting ("is infidelity in mind equivalent to infidelity in body?" has some potential though I think is maybe a shallower subject than Kubrick thought) his angles of attack are all waaay too oblique; they bounce off the problem like lawn darts off a Michelin... the b&w 90210-style jealousy flashbacks with the naval officer didn't help... and I can't see Koobie throwing a Chris Isaac bar-rocker over his immaculately arranged confection, yet there it is... the mansion scene an ENORMOUS let-down; I was with it up to that point; "Nick Nightingale" was fantastic.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

UPDATE: I've seen "Full Metal Jacket" now and it was EXCELLENT, better than "A Clockwork Orange". Kubrick should have done a series of movies about the Vietnam War.

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought the one bit where EWS really failed was the slapstick - that chase around the shop or whatever it was. Kubrick's best comic moments were always more oblique. For instance: Dr. Strangelove, to me, is the most obviously comic yet least funny character Peter Sellers plays in that film; HAL is the ultimate deadpan comic; and in The Shining you can interpret Scatman Crothers' axeing as a massive gag by SK at the audience's expense.

dan, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
this movie is about the child parent relationship!!

also, it is one of the funniest movies i've ever seen

bc, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"maybe a shallower subject than Kubrick thought" = seven-word summary of his entire whatever, pretty much

mark s, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

mark
i think you need to be nicer to the GREATEST FILMAKER OF THE 20TH CENTURY

anthony, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Lyne's Lolita is terrible! Such an agonizingly stupid reading of the book (he thinks Nabokov actually wanted you to sympathize with Humbert, while Kubrick understood right off that H. was a total bastard who just happened to be the narrator, hence he's going to make himself look as much the victim as possible.)

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. Haven't seen Eyes Wide Shut, actually.

Justyn Dillingham, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't really like any of the versions of lolita, inc.nabokov's

kubrick's is ruined by peter sellers mainly: haha i tht lyne's worked bettah becuz the day i am sympathetic to jeremy irons is the day i exfoliate my legs w.nitric acid!!

mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Kubrick = no-where nr a great filmmaker.

david h(owie), Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course they both haf zero sense of humour: is this the problem?

I think Kubrick is very humorous. EWS = essentially a comedy, as noted above. In fact, I would say most of Kubrick's movies are in some way humorous. Antonioni is mostly insufferable, except for L'avventura, which is a masterpiece.

As for Kubrick being great, what does it take for a director to be great? One great film? Kubrick has two: Barry Lyndon and 2001.

ryan, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

2001?

1. First hour = tedium not 'hypnosis'.

2. Flying bone begats spaceship = clumsy facsimile of more graceful scene in A Canterbury Tale (1944) [falcon begats spitfire]

3. Women still know their place, in pink and receptionists and stewardesses in 2001.

4. "One long wig-out for stoners, their wits reduced to wet tar by too much acid..."

david h(owie), Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

bone->'spaceship' seems much more LOGICAL than a bird->a plane.

but I haven't seen the a bird->a plane and don't know why it happens.

RJG, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

actually its bone -> weapons satellite. Which makes perfect sense, esp considering what the bone represents. The cold war is all over that movie.

ryan, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

haha re girls in 2001: the stewardess who does the 180ΒΊ vertical walk-turn has industrial strength VPL!!! => any philosophy the movie DID contain would be thus be set at naught... as it happens it doesn't contain any, so as you were

i quite like the bit where hal is killing the boring spacemen, but sadly the wrong robot wins

mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

But more clumsy, less graceful, like the spaceships moving about in spacey bits, like three actors, strings, and staring over the side of the set, down at their puppet Spaceships, all juddery, Clangers-like incombumblence. Clumsy, not graceful. All content, no style.

david h(owie), Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

the clangers roXoR!! it is SO *WAY* bettah than 2001: better spaceships, better special effects, better characters (it actually HAS characters), better story, better music (ok i like ligeti), better curvature of planet surface

mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

haha i read david h(owie)'s post where he says "still receptionists in 2001" and tht "how do you know what year it's set? i don't remember them mentioning that..."

mark s, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Mark, you forgot the best reason Clangers >> 2001: better knitting!

RickyT, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

And and and 2001 only has a robot, whereas Clangers has a robot (metal chicken) and dinosaurs (soup dragon and child)

RickyT, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

But 2001 has APES!

Andrew L, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
i just watched EWS: i did like it kinda, even if it has – as usual w. kubriXoR β€” industrial strength bad acting and mucho lame clumsiness, and is entirely NOT "deep" or stuff

i like the weird glow he gave new york: nicole k is pretty good too, tho shelly duval is still the only woman SK actually ever met, i think (except for his daughter who wants a bushbaby)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

ews = kubrick's closest to realized potential

boxcubed (boxcubed), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Mark you should really watch Lolita again. (It contains the best acting in any Kubrick film ever, seemingly by accident)

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 03:28 (seventeen years ago) link

(and also some of the worst, as does EWS - s.pollack-as-himself especially notwithstanding. and i loved EWS)

haha yes mark see lolita again - surely some new level of meaning to be gleaned there, as you must be about the kid's age by now

jones (actual), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
for all of the films faults the masked ceremony scene is one of the most chilling sections of any movie ever. the masks are freaky as fuck. they make every move of the head or the body so weighted and confusing.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 22 October 2004 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link

A dreadful film.

adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 October 2004 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link

i pretty much agree.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 22 October 2004 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh...good.

adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 October 2004 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link

we have to, after all.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 22 October 2004 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Talk To Her

adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 October 2004 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link

:_(

jed_ (jed), Friday, 22 October 2004 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link

no this film is so misunderstood. It is amazing.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 22 October 2004 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Jed, do you like Morvern Callar? Kyle does.

adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 October 2004 22:12 (fifteen years ago) link

no i dont - i like the last scene with the slow music and fast dancing but i pretty much hate it.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 22 October 2004 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link

good. very good.

adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 October 2004 22:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I love this movie so much. I keep meaning to watch it again.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 22 October 2004 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm with Kyle. The molasses pace of the dialogue takes some getting used to. If EWS were a song, it'd be Spacemen 3's "How Does it Feel".

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 22 October 2004 23:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Tantamount Pictures Presents

ILX Wide Shut

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 14:14 (seven months ago) link

By far his scariest movie

flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:46 (seven months ago) link

Thought this bump was going to be related to the Laura Branigan thread.

same here

breastcrawl, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:47 (seven months ago) link

I saw this 4 times in the theater in 99. The last time (this was back when movies would play for a while) was probably in late summer in the Angelika in downtown Houston with just me and an elderly couple. I wonder what they made of it.

ryan, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 18:35 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

In Eyes Wide Shut (1999), Tom Cruise gives us a complete, devastatingly accurate catalog of the crumbling defensive postures that a nude or semi-nude man can take while trying to retain a tone of "level-headed" condescension during a boudoir argument with their partner or spouse. pic.twitter.com/VQ3DBvYorz

— β„‘ 𝔇𝔬𝔫'𝔱 π”…π”©π”žπ”ͺ𝔒 π”œπ”¬π”² (@NickPinkerton) September 7, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 01:19 (five months ago) link

rethinking some of the plot elements now that we've revived the thread yet again

I'm not sure Dr. Bill's sexual jealousy is as much about the fear of his wife's infidelity as much as it is a realization he's incapable of imagining his own sexual fantasy scenarios. Alice's is both visceral and straightforward. He stumbles into this effete circle of elites who have concocted an elaborate ritual that has the trappings of eroticism but ends in what Morbs correctly described as mechanical, non-erotic sex

there's a sideline in the current HBO series Succession about people who are born moneyed being unable to participate in, or at least find joy in, a myriad of human experiences -- but they try to compensate by spending lots of money or going off script

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 15:28 (five months ago) link

if they could just buy an ice cream cone and have it mean something

j., Monday, 9 September 2019 15:31 (five months ago) link

buying an ice cream company and feeling a half second of ennui

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 15:33 (five months ago) link

I assume this movie is just on a loop at Morbz' house

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Monday, 9 September 2019 15:36 (five months ago) link

Give up your inquiries which are completely useless, and consider
these words a second warning. We hope, for your own good, that
this will be sufficient.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:06 (five months ago) link

the irritation in "which are completely useless" is palpable

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:09 (five months ago) link

orgies plausibly run by Trump

Shakey, it's at best my 6th-favorite Kubrick film, ya doof

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:10 (five months ago) link

*bangs staff*

flappy bird, Monday, 9 September 2019 16:59 (five months ago) link

this would make a great double feature with Three Days of the Condor

flappy bird, Monday, 9 September 2019 17:00 (five months ago) link

Interesting that it seems to have had some critical rehab in these last few years

https://filmschoolrejects.com/best-movies-1990s/9/

piscesx, Monday, 9 September 2019 17:04 (five months ago) link

it's been several years since I've seen it, but does EWS ever get compared to Vanilla Sky (itself an adaptation of a 1997 film called open Your Eyes)?

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:49 (five months ago) link

I was going to rewatch that the other night, was one of my favorites as a kid. yeah, I never thought about it really but there's tons of stuff in common: the mask, male insecurity/impotence, an ordinary powerful man in extraordinary circumstances, marital/spousal anxiety, forces beyond our control/out of sight, mysterious organizations...

flappy bird, Monday, 9 September 2019 18:05 (five months ago) link

I was somewhat enthusiastic about that movie for a moment when it was released, but once you get past the surface it's Cameron Crowe doing the same shit about relationship dynamics, who gets to be trustworthy in what ways, with his record collection playing a little too loudly over the sountrack

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 18:14 (five months ago) link

it's been several years since I've seen it, but does EWS ever get compared to Vanilla Sky (itself an adaptation of a 1997 film called open Your Eyes)?

at the time quite a lot, iirc.

ryan, Monday, 9 September 2019 18:28 (five months ago) link

Shakey, it's at best my 6th-favorite Kubrick film, ya doof

Who's calling whom the doof here?

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Monday, 9 September 2019 18:57 (five months ago) link

well i know you dont like Strangelove cuz it's funny, honeybunch

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 19:09 (five months ago) link

Given that and 2001 aren't allowed to NOT be in the top 5, that still leaves three whole slots and aside from Eyes Wide Shut, The Shining and Barry Lyndon, what else is there?

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Monday, 9 September 2019 19:50 (five months ago) link

Nothing, that's what.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Monday, 9 September 2019 19:51 (five months ago) link

Paths of Glory and The Killing, wisenheimer

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 19:52 (five months ago) link

there's a reason Welles said Kubrick was "a giant" in the early '60s

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 19:53 (five months ago) link

I'm glad we all agree that this is Kubrick's shittiest movie

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Monday, 9 September 2019 19:55 (five months ago) link

you have always been the caretaker, Mr Collier

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 19:56 (five months ago) link

this is prob my favorite kubrick movie bc i'm a dumbass. barry lyndon #2

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 9 September 2019 20:34 (five months ago) link

my boring opinion is that kubrick's films are all at least good

i mean, even fear and desire isn't really that bad for what it is

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 9 September 2019 21:02 (five months ago) link

I’m with Brad

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Monday, 9 September 2019 21:19 (five months ago) link

'fraid so

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 21:30 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

infilitrating one of those eyes wide shut secret masked sex parties but just for the music

— β–€β–€β–€β–€β–€β–€ (@immolations) October 17, 2019

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Thursday, 17 October 2019 01:47 (four months ago) link

lol "no you don't understand, I only go to those parties to see Nick Nightingale play"

flappy bird, Thursday, 17 October 2019 04:07 (four months ago) link

four weeks pass...

Paths of Glory and The Killing, wisenheimer

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, September 9, 2019 2:52 PM (two months ago)

Posted just barely too early for "OK Boomer."

temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 November 2019 14:20 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

A recent meme:

Here are some photos of the Buttigieg fundraiser in Napa -- with the famous wine cave and the chandelier with 1,500 Swarovski crystals -- hosted by a for-profit HMO billionaire. pic.twitter.com/JZhoMgtJHL

— Kompromatthew (@MattTheGweat) December 16, 2019

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 23:28 (two months ago) link

ok that is actually funny

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 23:33 (two months ago) link

Some intriguing points of intersection with another Frederic Raphael-written film about a floundering marriage: Two for the Road with Finney and Hepburn. For starters, its last dialogue is

"Bitch." "Bastard."

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 13:16 (two months ago) link

i thought this was a good point:
https://www.screenslate.com/features/298

Among Eyes Wide Shut’s strangest effects is that it feels like a video game: its dialogue is clumsily literal, repetitive, and expository; its plot is linear and structured like a quest; its protagonist encounters almost exclusively non-player characters, simple ciphers with no purpose beyond helping or obstructing him. Its simulacrum New York recalls the game-worlds traversed by Jude Law and Jennifer Jason Leigh in eXistenZ (from the same year), where the plot stalls if the players don’t use the correct phrases.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 31 December 2019 18:04 (one month ago) link

Really tempted to see the new year in watching this but not sure my wife would be up for it.

Alba, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 18:39 (one month ago) link

Somehow I only saw this film for the first time this year. I think I'd have enjoyed it more if it'd gone all Mulholland Drive in the last 20 minutes, instead of finishing on a total damp squib of a shopping trip.

AMM stands for Axe-Murdering Motherfuckers (Matt #2), Tuesday, 31 December 2019 19:22 (one month ago) link

that video game theory is p cool, eyes wide shut does kind of have an fmv horror game feeling about it

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 December 2019 21:36 (one month ago) link

same Alba

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 12:50 (one month ago) link

the whole simulacrum thing is just kubrick 101 post-lolita. there is a quote by him about how film is not a photograph of reality, but a photograph of a photograph of a reality.

tonga, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 17:21 (one month ago) link


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