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Ned, he let you win.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

whoa Ned, weird thread connection, I used beating your dad at chess as a metaphor in a thread about your dad's overcoming the prostate thing!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think I've ever beaten my dad at chess. He's a helluva crossword genius guy, too.

hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

(or is that what you meant by callow? Maybe I should reread that callow thread)

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cruelest game ever = chess as a drinking game. Lose a piece, take a shot. Best way to lose at chess very quickly. Otherwise classic.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Snap with hstencil and Ned. Played for the first time in years a few months ago and won. I immediately started another game against the same bloke and got blown out of the water. The consensus: the fact that I was as rusty as hell made me unpredictable in the first game, but by the second he had 'worked me out' and was able to spot my basic tactical errors earlier and felt freer exploiting them.

My dad was a bit more cunning than Ned's. He made sure I didn't beat him at age eight by not teaching me until age 11. I think I was 16 when I beat him for the first time and we've only played together a few times since.

Fred Nerk, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Utter classic; I play it pretty often, and put up a decent fight, although I haven't won a game in months. Once upon a time I was on the chess team at my middle school, and I had a retarded long undefeated streak between ages 11 and 13. I think adolescence fucked up my game, although I'm not sure how.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

I reached my peak weeks after learning the game. I had just turned 11, and a friend taught me to play - then immediately took me to this adult chess club that he was a member of. They were having a speed-chess tournament that day. I was drawn against the club captain, a regular county player, in the first round - and I beat him. I was school champion and stuff in the years after, but it was really all downhill from there. I've not played in years and years.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

I play now and again. I am hopeless at openings, but if I survive I'll usually win.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cruelest game ever = chess as a drinking game. Lose a piece, take a shot. Best way to lose at chess very quickly. Otherwise classic.

That would make a gambit all the more effective.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

The drunkest I ever got was playing that game (I was sucking right from the opening move and I ended up drinking most of a 26oz bottle of Southern Comfort). They almost called the police because they thought I was missing. I was actually in a bathroom in the Brandon University science building basement with my head in a sink. I don't think I've played chess since.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

To the scoffers above -- my dad admitted then and has said since that I beat him fair and square. Nyah. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think I'm going to take up full contact American football with my Dad this weekend! Bring it!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Spencer is a MANLY man!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 March 2003 03:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

this one night, in Bangkok...

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 13 March 2003 03:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

The queens we use would not excite you Jim.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 13 March 2003 03:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

The ILX production of Chess...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 March 2003 03:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love chess and the idea of chess, but I suck. Actually I haven't played for about four years...I went to a chess club thing my freshman year of college, got beaten (twice) in a matter of minutes, realized I was out of my league and didn't want to put the time into memorizing real chess stuff.

A couple of people in my band are excellent chess players. On our last out of town gig they were telling me about the latest Kasparov/Deep Blue Jr. thing, that shit is fascinating.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 13 March 2003 04:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I cannot get my head around chess whatsoever, I think chess is a guy thing.

Now Go, on the other hand, that I like. I wish I was a lot better at it, but it has an organic beauty that chess just doesn't. Less logic, more intutive. And it looks sexy and elegant.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 13 March 2003 04:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic: battle-chess for the PC.
dud: pepperidge farm chesspiece cookies. yuck

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 13 March 2003 04:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think chess is a guy thing

I can think of a few people who might have something to say about that one...

I love chess, and wish I had more talent for it; the taste of success I've had at a handful of tournaments is enough to make me want more, but alas, I'm not a visual thinker, so that limits me severely. Still, I'd like to get a master's rating someday; judging by the difference between my rating now, and the one I had when I started playing tournaments, I'm about two-thirds of the way there. I haven't played a tournament in several years, though, and I suspect the advent of Internet chess is hitting the world of OTB (over-the-board) tournaments pretty hard...

Phil (phil), Thursday, 13 March 2003 05:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cheap but sturdy wooden chess pieces = classic.
The game itself? Well have no mind for it and none of my friends enjoy it so = dud.

Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 13 March 2003 05:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

One of my better games of chess (I'm black):

1. e2-e4 e7-e5
2. g1-f3 g8-f6
3. f1-c4 d7-d5
4. e4xd5 f6xd5
5. f3xe5 d5-f4
6. o-o d8-g5
7. e5-g4 f8-d6
8. f1-e1+ c8-e6
9. c4xe6 f7xe6
10. d2-d3 g5-d5
11. g4-e3 d5-g5
12. g2-g3 o-o
13. e3-g2 f4-h3+
14. g1-f1 f8xf2++

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 13 March 2003 05:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Now Go, on the other hand, that I like. I wish I was a lot better at it, but it has an organic beauty that chess just doesn't. Less logic, more intutive. And it looks sexy and elegant. "

Go is very beautiful to play. Your mind is expanding two ways at once (defense/offense), yet the board and pieces form a minimalistic pattern and the clicking noises as you make a move are so peaceful.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 13 March 2003 05:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

i can't say i know anything about go.
but as far as chess goes - classic
& when you lose - classic - because that's how you learn

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 13 March 2003 06:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like chess but I am gawdawful at it. I have this mental deficiency where I can't plan more than one or two moves ahead so I can't really plan. I play with my girlfriend occasionally and she always always beats me. I should read some chess how-to books or something.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 13 March 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever won a game. Ever. Ronald Reagan could probably beat me if we played this afternoon.

dave q, Thursday, 13 March 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

you could beat george bush tho'.

classic. I've always meant to join the chess club at uni but ILX stops me.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 13 March 2003 13:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like chess. My dad taught me how to play when I was very young, but I'm not very good at it. My best chess playing memories are when I went to stay with my friend Tom in Granada in Spain. He was studying out there, but he'd finished his work for the year and most of his friends hadn't, so the two of us spent most of the days and early evenings sitting about in cafes, playing chess, drinking beer and eating tapas.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 13 March 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic when someone shouts down a hall of residence corridor, "You left your pawn in my room last night!"

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 13 March 2003 15:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll think about it and let you know in about thirty posts time.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 13 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

I couldn't get my head round it -- admittedly this was 20 years ago -- so I give it a flippant, dismissive dud.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 13 March 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have to actually admit that I don't know how to play chess. I don't even know what moves the pieces make :-/

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 14 March 2003 03:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic w/o doubt. I suck at it but it's really fun to play if your opponent isn't one of those clock freaks from the park or something.

Searching for Bobby Fischer is one of my fave movies evah

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Bobby Fischer vs. the Rest of the World" by Brad Darrach is a hilarious (and sadly out-of-print) book about Fischer's antics en route to winning (and then throwing away) the world chess championship, whilst single-handedly jump-starting America's post-1972 chess craze. He was one of the stranger characters of the last century, no doubt.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've read the piece that book started out as, an early '70s Playboy article that was reprinted in The Best Sports Writing of the Century anthology; it's grate

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Did anyone see that chess movie with John Turturro?

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

no, what's it called?

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

"pawnography"

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 14 March 2003 05:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

I liked it as a kid and then neglected it, disliked it even, until I moved here in September. My housemate brought a chessboard. I started liking it again. I usually win against my housemates but have only managed to even tie my computer one time. However, I lost against my dad the last time I was in Ottawa. I can relate to the "can't get my head around it" sentiment because that's how I felt about it throughout high school, even through undergrad if I ever even thought about it then. Somehow it started making sense again.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 14 March 2003 07:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

THe chess movie with Turturro is The Luzhin Defense, which is an adaptation of the Nabokov book "The Defense." It's about a crazy chess genius.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Friday, 14 March 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Chess in the context of giant pieces on a checkered surreal landscape is also classic.

Or just the giant pieces in general that they have someplaces in Europe. They are fun to play with.

Also in "Alice Through the Looking Glass"

And also all the many different kinds of chess sets like civil war pieces or other themed sets are classic:

http://www.war-art.com/images/f602.jpg

http://www.sapart.freeserve.co.uk/aa.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/dovshuk/jjppga/krig11.jpg

http://chess.com.ru/img/opposition-13.jpg

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is the last one Dan's personal chess set from the Franklin Mint?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha chessmen of gor!!

mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

mark s is my hero

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

The other great chess novel, besides the Nabokov mentioned, is Queen's Gambit by Walter Tevis.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 14 March 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic. lets not forget 4 way chess.

(From the Weekly World News, May 24, 1994)
MOSCOW - Doctors are blaming a rare electrical imbalance in the brain for the bizarre death of a chess player whose head literally exploded in the middle of a championship game!
No one else was hurt in the fatal explosion but four players and three officials at the Moscow Candidate Masters' Chess Championships were sprayed with blood and brain matter when Nikolai Titov's head suddenly blew apart. Experts say he suffered from a condition called Hyper-Cerebral Electrosis or HCE.

"He was deep in concentration with his eyes focused on the board," says Titov's opponent, Vladimir Dobrynin. "All of a sudden his hands flew to hi temples and he screamed in pain. Everyone looked up from their games, startled by the noise. Then, as if someone had put a bomb in his cranium, his head popped like a firecracker."

Incredibly, Titiov's is not the first case in which a person's head has spontaneously exploded. Five people are known to have died of HCE in the last 25 years. The most recent death occurred just three years ago in 1991, when European psychic Barbara Nicole's skull burst. Miss Nicole's story was reported by newspapers worldwide, including WWN. "HCE is an extremely rare physical imbalance," said Dr. Anatoly Martinenko, famed neurologist and expert on the human brain who did the autopsy on the brilliant chess expert. "It is a condition in which the circuits of the brain become overloaded by the body' own electricity. The explosions happen during periods of intense menta activity when lots of current is surging through the brain.

Victims are highly intelligent people with great powers of concentration. Both Miss Nicole and Mr. Titov were intense people who tended to keep those cerebral circuits overloaded. In a way it could be said they were literall too smart for their own good."

Although Dr. Martinenko says there are probably many undiagnosed cases, h hastens to add that very few people will die from HCE. "Most people who have it will never know. At this point, medical science still doesn't know much about HCE. And since fatalities are so rare it will probably be years before research money becomes available."

In the meantime, the doctor urges people to take it easy and not think too hard for long periods of time. "Take frequent relaxation breaks when you're doing things that take lots of mental focus," he recommends

kephm, Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

The chess movie with Turturro is The Luzhin Defense, which is an adaptation of the Nabokov book "The Defense." It's about a crazy chess genius.

So was it any good? I saw the preview, but I thought maybe it would be difficult to get much on-screen drama about chess.

phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Searching for Bobby Fischer is one of my fave movies evah

have you seen Rosenbaum's review?

I had a brief chess phase when i was a kid during which i played in tournaments like those shown in the movie (i think waitzkin may have been at them), but in the lowest division and i don't think i ever won more than one game - at best, i think i got a rating in the 1300s. fun stuff, but i think you need to start reading about chess and memorizing tactics to get anywhere and i didn't have the patience or the interest.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never liked it, mostly because I was never very good at it. My salsa teacher recommended it a long time ago as a way to develop my spatial sense, which annoyed me, though I just saw some sort study which shows (not surprisingly) that the regions of the brain used by good chess players are typically associated with spatial perception.

I used to be fairly good at Othello, which I guess is kind of "Go, jr." Now Go, I have always found very aesthetically appealing, but I've never played it. Chess seems sort of ugly to me somehow. It's not just the pieces, since I've seen that I like (especially those from Man Ray or Arp, or whoever it was that designed those chess sets you see Marcel Duchamp sitting next to.)

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

https://youtu.be/zIE3CFNpZ5Y
Cavett v Fischer

calstars, Saturday, 8 February 2020 05:12 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

That Fischer video is so cool.

In other news: The Candidates has started! The Giri Vs Nepo. game is looking pretty interesting - neither player has castled after 18 moves.

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/fide-candidates-2020/1/1/1

cajunsunday, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:57 (four years ago) link

Hurrah! Chess has the undivided attention of a sports-obsessed public

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 12:03 (four years ago) link

Magnus Carlsen commentating too. Awesome

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 12:07 (four years ago) link

Yes its cool that Magnus is commentating. His company bought the chess24.com website, so he can do what he wants I guess.

cajunsunday, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 12:46 (four years ago) link

Giri having to lose the game to draw it as things stand. Magnificent defence from the zen master

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:08 (four years ago) link

Oof though, wow - Nepo finds it!

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link

Ding is in trouble against MVL. Could lose 2 games in a row!

cajunsunday, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 12:19 (four years ago) link

Slight advantage against Caruana for Ding today. He needs the win

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 19 March 2020 11:16 (four years ago) link

Caruana has just gone for a complicated line that hands Ding a clear advantage if he plays it well. Exciting!

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 19 March 2020 11:18 (four years ago) link

Not ideal for Caruana to have to move the king to F2 in the first 10 moves!

cajunsunday, Thursday, 19 March 2020 11:41 (four years ago) link

Oh wait. Ding is playing white. I'm confused.

cajunsunday, Thursday, 19 March 2020 12:03 (four years ago) link

Ding now clearly winning!! Defended Caruana's preparation like a beast

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 19 March 2020 13:26 (four years ago) link

Pretty much over now. Caruana's a Bishop down with no counter-play.

cajunsunday, Thursday, 19 March 2020 14:22 (four years ago) link

bit disrespectful spinning it out that long tbh

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 19 March 2020 16:07 (four years ago) link

Nepo leading the tournament. Would be a good challenger for Carlsen; he wouldn't win of course but there might be some fun games

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Sunday, 22 March 2020 18:32 (four years ago) link

I think Nepo has a pretty good record against Carlsen so it could be interesting. I still think Caruana will come through in the end - he's got experience winning the big tournaments.

cajunsunday, Sunday, 22 March 2020 20:18 (four years ago) link

6th round, Nepo in a winning position against Ding

willem, Monday, 23 March 2020 13:36 (four years ago) link

FIDE stops #FIDECandidates

Official announcement - Starting March 27, 2020, Russia interrupts air traffic with other countries without indicating any time frames. In this situation FIDE President decided to stop the tournament.https://t.co/bnDDJhFuiG pic.twitter.com/YYo3SMidqj

— International Chess Federation (@FIDE_chess) March 26, 2020

They're taking everything away from us lads

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 26 March 2020 10:10 (four years ago) link

ffs this has been keeping me going

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 26 March 2020 10:27 (four years ago) link

Sad times!

cajunsunday, Thursday, 26 March 2020 11:20 (four years ago) link

maybe we can just give it to MVL lol

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 26 March 2020 11:23 (four years ago) link

They're taking everything away from us lads

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:10 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

ffs this has been keeping me going

― strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:27 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink


seriously :'(

willem, Thursday, 26 March 2020 12:19 (four years ago) link

Magnus tasted what it was like to have the world's eyes on chess, and liked what he saw

https://chess24.com/en/read/news/magnus-carlsen-launches-online-chess-super-tournament

ban laggy jazzer (imago), Friday, 3 April 2020 09:45 (four years ago) link

As a non-expert, I'm curious how they're going to prevent cheating in an online tournament like this. Wouldn't it be extremely easy for someone to use a computer to suggest moves? Or would that be easy to detect?

o. nate, Friday, 3 April 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link

they will probably have to reveal everything in their room and share screens etc. odd behaviour can be easily detected by ppl who play a *lot* i think?

also there's the matter of pride and reputation, these people don't want even a cloud of suspicion over them.

also, if someone went through a tournament playing computer first and second choice moves with the occasional suboptimal that maintains advantage then idk there'd be questions

ban laggy jazzer (imago), Friday, 3 April 2020 16:20 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

enjoying hikaru’s rapport with the streamers

||||||||, Saturday, 6 June 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

Candidates is on again and Fabi has already sacked 3 pawns and a piece

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/fide-candidates-2020/8/1/1

cajunsunday, Monday, 19 April 2021 12:01 (two years ago) link

Ok they have the same number of pieces now at least. Must have been an inbetween move!

cajunsunday, Monday, 19 April 2021 12:22 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

anyone watching the World Championship match at the moment? Looks like Carlsen is edging it

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Friday, 26 November 2021 14:46 (two years ago) link

I'll tune in, but this (who is doing better) is one of those things I cannot possibly have an opinion on. Pure spectacle

imago, Friday, 26 November 2021 15:03 (two years ago) link

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/carlsen-nepomniachtchi-world-chess-championship-2021/1/1/1

judit polgar and anish giri arguing is all part of the fun

imago, Friday, 26 November 2021 15:18 (two years ago) link

me, an idiot: 'nepo is up a pawn, he must be winning'

imago, Friday, 26 November 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link

oh that's absolutely my level too, but that's why the theory chat is so fascinating

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Friday, 26 November 2021 15:50 (two years ago) link

game 6 looks like being more exciting

imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 12:45 (two years ago) link

and is

imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link

carlsen dicing with the clock to unveil something that could be spectacular

imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 16:13 (two years ago) link

but nepo has blundered under pressure to help

imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 16:16 (two years ago) link

aaahhh the counterblunder!

imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 16:22 (two years ago) link

Now its a bullet game.

ceci n'est pas une messi (cajunsunday), Friday, 3 December 2021 16:30 (two years ago) link

magnus won it, then lost it, and may be winning it again now. what an epic

imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 18:08 (two years ago) link

wooooow

imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 19:16 (two years ago) link

GAME OVER

136 moves

awesome

imago, Friday, 3 December 2021 20:17 (two years ago) link

gg

imago, Friday, 10 December 2021 15:53 (two years ago) link


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