What impact will their positions on war have on the careers of...?

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(i ph34r that on saturday the mark s/dr vick mob made far more effort not to be near lib dem banners than we did to not be accidentally brushed by the cunt coven's banner painted in dried mensutral blood = uphill struggle?)

(also he's younger than me the bastard)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 17 February 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

We were stuck under the Plaid Cymru banner for a good hour!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 February 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is it because I are Welsh?

Pete (Pete), Monday, 17 February 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

What about the effects on the parliamentary elections in May? What Blair may be able to shrug off might damage McConnell and his boys; will the Nats try for the moral highground and leave themselves wide open to the charge of supporting dictators? Also lot riskier for the Lib Debs in a parliament where they actually wield some clout, as part of the coalition than where they can sit and snipe for the outside.

alext (alext), Monday, 17 February 2003 13:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Notice how you've not heard Gordon Brown saying a fucking thing? Theres a reason for that.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 17 February 2003 13:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

brown = putin's mole

mark s (mark s), Monday, 17 February 2003 13:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tom E - your question is good, but the business about Great Power is not that relevant to what Kennedy or anyone says about the particular issue of the proposed war.

I think we shouldn't go to war, whether we are a great power or not. Whether Kennedy agrees with me, I can't say.

the pinefox, Monday, 17 February 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

PF - I see as implicit in Kennedy's stance that slavish adherence to US foreign policy is a bad idea. Blair OTOH thinks that strategically it is a neccessary idea to maintain British influence. Kennedy's unspoken position is - stuff British influence, let's elide quietly into Europe.

I agree that he never articulates this so maybe I'm dreaming it.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 February 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Notice how you've not heard Gordon Brown saying a fucking thing? Theres a reason for that.

Blair - I want war!
Brown - Oooh, dunno, it's a bit pricey.
Blair - Tough. Cough up, Gordon.
Brown - *grumble* *moan* *hands over vast wads of cash

I doubt that Brown opposes the war in Iraq. And even if he did? Does he have to write a blank cheque to the MoD in this circumstance whether he likes it or not?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 17 February 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

What impact will their positions on war have on the careers of ordinary people in america and britain?

gareth (gareth), Monday, 17 February 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

DOOM.

But we knew that.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 February 2003 14:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I tend to agree that we should slide into Europe. The current US crisis has seemed to simplify this issue (which seemed very complicated not long ago).

I still don't think that this (important) issue has much to do with whether we should attack Iraq.

the pinefox, Monday, 17 February 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have my escape route to Finland ("for the duration") already planned. Second choice: wildest Wales (hmmm ... was Tom's Plaid Cymru banner an omen?)

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 17 February 2003 23:30 (twenty-one years ago) link


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