JiC -- i think you are being unfairly dismissive wrt mental health benefits of mmI'm sure it helps suppress nausea and increase appetite, and probably alleviate some anxiety and stuff like that
Not to mention there are very few medications available for appetite loss, which can be life threatening if you think about it.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:26 (five years ago) link
I have Crohn's too, thankfully only ever had 1 flareup. I cannot imagine using only mj to treat the pain. Though really the only time I needed opioids was post-op. Oh and I guess codeine due to infection spreading & nerve damage to leg from botched interventional radiology session. But for nausea and lack-of-appetite, sure.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:26 (five years ago) link
The only thing I wanted to eat during my flare-up was Arby's lol go figure
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:27 (five years ago) link
I was about to ask, is Crohn's one of the conditions, like glaucoma, where it has shown some demonstrated benefit?
Obviously if it works it works. I just can't imagine people with severe chronic pain and/or serious addictions to opiates finding comfort through cannabis. Now, about ten years ago I had a kidney stone, and it was the most painful thing ever. They gave me this huge jar of Vicodin, iirc, and though I only ended up using maybe three pills over the course of a week, I do recall it made me feel sort of hazy but not much more than that. Maybe it might work like that? (The urologist, incidentally, told me that were my stone not as large as it was he would have just prescribed a six-pack of beer.)
And I was not at all being dismissive of mental health benefits. I even say it probably helps!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
that link doesn't specify which sx were alleviated
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
Again, I don't think cannabis is dangerous, and it clearly does have benefits for some people for some things. Future studies will likely bear that out. I just think it's being oversold as a miracle drug panacea is all.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
xp how about this one:
https://www.tikunolam.com/article.php?id=1107
90% Significant Reduction of Crohn's Disease Symptoms with No Side Effects;
Verification of full Remission in 50%
― sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
I know people who take it for fibromyalgia as well and report [to me] amazing results.
― Mordy, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
I think the more studies the better.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
i find marijuana to be effective pain and sleep medication following a year of severe neck issues. still haven't quite figured out how to vape properly but, in coordination with 800mg of ibuprofen, i can get through the night and keep my sanity.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
Seen a couple of articles lately about how predicted economic benefits of cannabis have not quite panned out because the high prices and taxes have actually driven people to the black market.
Here's an admittedly early one about Canada:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/canada-legalized-pot-in-october-but-its-black-market-is-still-going-strong/2019/01/04/ca09a3b0-fe53-11e8-a17e-162b712e8fc2_story.html
But here's one about CA and how the state's massive surplus has been largely going elsewhere, and how sales have actually *dropped* since recreational legalization:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/buying-legal-weed-in-california.html
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 January 2019 13:22 (five years ago) link
has usage gone down though too? isn't a longterm policy goal to curb recreational usage of this "dangerous" substance, like what's happened with cigarettes?
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43ej5n/now-that-weed-is-legal-in-canada-we-asked-college-students-if-its-still-cool
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 6 January 2019 13:49 (five years ago) link
Yeah, there's some funny stuff happening. Legalizing cannabis was intended, in part, to counter the black market. But the black market is thriving because of surplus (or shortages!) of high quality legal cannabis, and also because the high tax on legal cannabis is driving people to cheaper alternatives, which in turn means less tax revenue than predicted. But that would have happened anyway, since usage is dropping. So legalization, at least to some degree, is bolstering the black market even as the bottom drops out due to surplus driven by ... legalization. Which is or may be bringing in less taxes than predicted because some people would rather skip the tax-imposing middle man and just go straight to the source. Which means the only way to encourage or increase legal sales would be to ... stop the sale of pot on the black market, which brings us back to square one.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 January 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link
https://lcb.wa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/annual_report/2017-annual-report-final2-web.pdf
WA collected $315 million in sales tax (37% on retail) on weed in fiscal 2017, $113 million more than from liquor. Sales of $259 million in 2015, $786 million in 2016, $1.3B in 2017.
What a disaster for low-income health care.
― sans lep (sic), Sunday, 6 January 2019 22:16 (five years ago) link
Cannabis taxes are significantly higher than liquor taxes. Regardless, the more taxes/money made for the state the better.
So I wonder why sales are not as robust in CA as in WA? Or, flipped, why a state with a fraction of the population of CA would have numbers so high (relative to size)? Is it because CA is priced/taxed too high?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 January 2019 22:46 (five years ago) link
For a decade, cannabis had already been legal in CA if you were happy spending 10 minutes and $30 to get a licence. Prosecution/enforcement of illegal consumption had therefore dropped enormously. Licences for legal stores had not been adequately established by 1/1/2018, and stocks still ran out in the first week.(Similarly, long-standing legal dispensaries in Vancouver are now illegal under national legalisation, but federal response is to shrug and guess it’ll get sorted out sometime, so leave them alone for now.)A few months’ data from a state here and a territory there is not really representative of an overall market. WA has been legal for six years, with walk-in stores open for 4.5 years. Wait a bit before you draw any conclusions about markets that have opened since some ilxors changed their sheets.
― sans lep (sic), Monday, 7 January 2019 00:25 (five years ago) link
Just seems weird that sales should *drop* in CA the first year of full legalization. You'd think they'd at least hold steady.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 January 2019 01:27 (five years ago) link
Sic otm
― Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 01:48 (five years ago) link
How does Washington deal with the banking problems? Like, one of the big issues in California is that because it is still illegal at the federal level, banks aren't willing to finance weed companies, and in many cases (idk) not even allow them to have bank accounts.
― sarahell, Monday, 7 January 2019 02:05 (five years ago) link
not sure how safe my thoughts are to begin with tbh
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/01/14/is-marijuana-as-safe-as-we-think?
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:27 (five years ago) link
Does it affect motivation and cognition? Hard to say, but probably.
i think it's safe to accept anecdotal evidence here
― zwei dunkel jungen (crüt), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:33 (five years ago) link
Is that the Malcolm Gladwell piece? Fuck that guy and his flimsy rhetorical questions.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link
thanks now i know not to even open the link
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:45 (five years ago) link
Wasn't there an Onion story? Marijuana linked to sitting around and getting high?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:09 (five years ago) link
Wow what a worthless article
― Heez, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:24 (five years ago) link
sure ice cream is good... but is it good FOR you? the answer might not surprise you.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
it's really interesting how one of the most notorious bars among the boston college cohort possibly being turned into a recreational dispensary is making people lose their minds
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/01/07/recreational-marijuana-shop-proposed-mary-anns-cleveland-circle-boston/http://bcheights.com/2018/10/13/report-potential-conversion-of-mary-anns-to-dispensary-draws-bc-cleveland-circle-merchants-opposition/
― maura, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link
haha, I love this, I lived right near there for many years, can't wait to go back and buy some w33d!
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:01 (five years ago) link
How does Washington deal with the banking problems?
Three WA credit unions and 2 WA banks handle hundreds of businesses each; at POS, stores are all cash (or bitcoin) and have ATMs inside ime
You're basing this on one second-hand citation from one company
― sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:50 (five years ago) link
with no figures or methodology given
― sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:51 (five years ago) link
i lived right there for a few years too! never went in. i hated that neighborhood, except for the reservoir. living there and working at BC at the same time was ... too much BC
― marcos, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:00 (five years ago) link
the location is perfect because of nearby parking
lol what
― marcos, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:01 (five years ago) link
possibly the thing i hated most about that neighborhood was owning a car in it
― marcos, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link
I definitely abuse the ol marijuana
― brimstead, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link
cvs has a lot i guess?
― maura, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:57 (five years ago) link
oh right and i guess there is that meter lot across the circle too
― marcos, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:00 (five years ago) link
Other than caffeine name me a psychoactive drug where people self-regulate their dosage that is proved to be safer than weed.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link
https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/03/08/39549859/study-washingtons-pot-is-way-cheaper-than-weed-in-california-nevada-or-colorado
― alomar lines, Saturday, 9 March 2019 23:58 (five years ago) link
I forgot there were two different threads on which JiC was tenaciously arguing against both weed legalisation and the general existence of facts
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Sunday, 10 March 2019 00:48 (five years ago) link
Well a vote to legalize recreational adult use through the legislature was called off just now in NJ . This is because a majority democratic senate could not whip their own fucking caucus to vote yes . fucking losers
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 25 March 2019 16:42 (five years ago) link
They want the political cover of having the voters endorse it directly, keeping their own fingerprints off it. I guess the calculation is that there are more voters who'd punish them for a yes vote than voters who would reward them.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link
or that the anti-weed squad is vocal and active minority who will go gunning for anyone who step over the line
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
serious question, who are these people who are so adamantly against legalization?
― ⅋ (crüt), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:08 (five years ago) link
Squares
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:13 (five years ago) link
Liquor and beer companies, pharmaceutical companies, private prison companies and a handful of rich wackjobs who still think Reefer Madness was a documentary.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:35 (five years ago) link
Xpost afraid they will turn into chilled out junkies. 🙄
― nathom, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:28 (five years ago) link
in a nice bit of irony the closest dispensary to me - a block from my apartment - is no longer selling weed, directly because of legalization. dispensaries were tolerated while illegal, now they have to be regulated to stay open.
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 10 June 2019 23:00 (four years ago) link
Illinois approves legal weed, expunging criminal records for pot crimes
Money raised by the new taxes would first be dedicated to expunging about 770,000 minor cannabis-related cases. Expungement has long been a goal of marijuana-legalization advocates, who argue the federal government's war on drugs disproportionately targeted minorities. Other states have similar provisions, usually added after the fact, but Illinois' law is the first to contain such a sweeping expungement provision from the start.
― Ambient Police (sleeve), Saturday, 29 June 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
Also important:
There's also a social equity program to promote minority involvement in the marijuana industry, and to give participants access to grants and loans in order to help cover some of the upfront costs of participating in the market.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 June 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
cool, missed that! it's nice to see the states learning how to do legalization better as the dominoes continue to fall
― Ambient Police (sleeve), Saturday, 29 June 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link