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Rest in peace :(

#RacistGoogle won't take down the photoshopped image of me in Nazi uniform. Why not? @sundarpichai This marks me for death. pic.twitter.com/kwUSjjpp99

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) December 19, 2018

frogbs, Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:21 (one year ago) link

wow marked for death. what a cool society i didn't realize we lived in where just being photoshopped w/ a swastika armband means you will soon be reaped.

Mordy, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:05 (one year ago) link

it's a shame, he was a horrible cartoonist and a terrible human being.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:18 (one year ago) link

seems miserable and completely neurotic

rip van wanko, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:24 (one year ago) link

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I don't think Scott Adams should be murdered, and it's a real shame that he's going to be

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:44 (one year ago) link

perhaps he can try hypnotizing his murderer into turning the gun on himself

frogbs, Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:33 (one year ago) link

Hey @Patreon, this guy posted racist memes of me photoshopped into a Nazi uniform. That is hate speech. Puts my life at risk. Please deplatform him immediately. https://t.co/sf78vfcYN6

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) December 20, 2018

geez Scott did you forget about the hundreds of people you called Nazis because they disagreed with you

frogbs, Thursday, 20 December 2018 20:38 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

grifters gonna grift

Dilbert guy Scott Adams is using the garlic festival shooting to direct market mass shooting survivors (at a time when public info on this was that the shooter was still at large) on his app pic.twitter.com/9EgGfSGkuz

— LVL 45 CHAOS POTUS (@thetomzone) July 29, 2019

another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 July 2019 14:30 (six months ago) link

we're reaching levels of persuasion which shouldn't even be possible

frogbs, Monday, 29 July 2019 15:43 (six months ago) link

lmao

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-tries-to-sell-interviews-with-gilroy-garlic-festival-shooting-survivors

Anyone who signed up to discuss the shooting could also have been paid in the WHEN Token, a cryptocurrency Adams has used to fund his app that is currently worth slightly more than one cent. Shortly before Adams announced WhenHub’s cryptocurrency aspect in 2017, Dilbert watchers noticed that the characters in the comic, who are typically suspicious of poorly understood business crazes like blockchain, were suddenly running straightforward explanations of blockchain in an apparent effort to drum up interest in Adams’s cryptocurrency.

frogbs, Monday, 29 July 2019 17:42 (six months ago) link

It would've been interesting to see how newspapers responded in a world where a comic strip version of Cerebus had been the public forum where we watched Dave Sim's mind unravel.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:10 (six months ago) link

he’d have jordan peterson’s career

another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:14 (six months ago) link

Some amazing replies from Scott fans pic.twitter.com/JvlMZhRSTk

— pixelatedboat aka “mr tweets” (@pixelatedboat) July 29, 2019

El Tomboto, Monday, 29 July 2019 20:26 (six months ago) link

probably goes without saying but this WhenHub app is hilariously dumb, it's pretty much exactly the sort of thing that Dilbert was satirizing back in the 90's. 500 features and no clear use case, plus it uses a blockchain for some reason - this "pay to speak to an expert" thing is clearly NOT what the app was designed to do, though it's kinda hilarious that there's a dude offering to chat about football for 20 bucks an hour

frogbs, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 14:05 (six months ago) link

I retroactively hate that this guy had a guest spot on NewsRadio.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 19:09 (six months ago) link

(and don't @ me about Rogan)

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 19:11 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

seriously laughed at this

If you are worried about rising sea levels, don’t be. The smartest and richest people in the world are still buying property on the beach. They don’t see the problem.

gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 17:45 (four months ago) link

its really something to read through the past 1.5 decades of this thread tracking the slow reveal of Adams' right wing brainworms.

LOL in hindsight @ posts from 2011 wondering if hes serious or if hes doing some kind of kaufmanesque meta-satire of right wing idiots. Simpler times, man.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:31 (four months ago) link

still laughing at the whenhub dot com portrait of Adams

mh, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:35 (four months ago) link

Throughout all modern history, when we humans see a problem coming from far away, we have a 100% success rate in solving it.

I don't know if he earnestly believes any of the shit he writes but if so god damn must he have a privileged existence to believe this is even remotely true

frogbs, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:37 (four months ago) link

imagine thinking in all seriousness that the richest people are the smartest people and vice versa

must be so nice to live with a worldview so simple and so fucking idiotic

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:52 (four months ago) link

well we can only go extinct once

maffew12, Monday, 23 September 2019 19:01 (four months ago) link

Throughout all modern history, when we humans see a problem coming from far away, we have a 100% success rate in solving it.

what about baldness

mookieproof, Monday, 23 September 2019 19:29 (four months ago) link

racism?
starvation?
running out of gas?
styrofoam?
i am actually having trouble thinking of a problem that america saw coming from far away that we HAVE solved

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 23 September 2019 19:32 (four months ago) link

the Dilbert TV show?

maffew12, Monday, 23 September 2019 19:38 (four months ago) link

uh he saw in advance the problem of possibly not having a ready supply of fresh-popped popcorn with real butter in his own house, so he bought a second microwave oven and now he microwaves two packets of microwave popcorn at once. 100% solved

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, 23 September 2019 20:09 (four months ago) link

he also foresaw the problem of not living in a house shaped like half the face of a smug ineffectual asshole cartoon character who thinks he knows better than everyone but can’t actually influence anyone, and had his house built in the shape of half of Dilbert’s face. SOLVED.

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, 23 September 2019 20:11 (four months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/TJFIdI9.jpg

what the hell is this

frogbs, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:17 (four months ago) link

When you’re invited to a fashy discord, find it too hard to keep up but want to show your appreciation anyway.

gyac, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:28 (four months ago) link

No wonder your piece of shit Gawker publication got its balls cut off. My lawyers will be contacting you. https://t.co/urM0otUUsn

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 24, 2019

mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:35 (four months ago) link

the free speech defender has logged on

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:20 (four months ago) link

beta move to call a lawyer instead of kicking john cook's ass

mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:30 (four months ago) link

for some reason I always read his tweets in a south park voice "I'll sue you in England!"

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:39 (four months ago) link

incidentally CNN's Jake Tapper drew yesterday's Dilbert (from Adams' script):

Vad har hänt med Dilbert? pic.twitter.com/goBif6Ltfj

— Nikke Lindqvist 🖤 (@nikkelin) September 23, 2019

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:55 (four months ago) link

behold the master of persuasion

May I summarize your tweet as DUUUUUUHHHH I SAY OBVIOUS THINGS ON TWITTER AS IF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM. DUUUUUUHHHHH!!!!!

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 25, 2019

frogbs, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:05 (four months ago) link

lol he deleted the tweet where he was threatening John Cook with legal action

mh, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 15:19 (four months ago) link

—What so you think of management?

—They are all dumb.


How long ago did Dilbert’s satirical target switch from management to employees?

#YABASIC (morrisp), Saturday, 28 September 2019 21:35 (four months ago) link

(Sorry for the autocorrect typo; this phone’s software must have been designed by some clueless, “NPC”-style engineers, I don’t know man...)

#YABASIC (morrisp), Saturday, 28 September 2019 21:36 (four months ago) link

there’s an article about Adams trying to help manage a restaurant he co-owned and it going predictably badly

iirc he’s one of those people who thinks if you’ve proven yourself in one task, you should be able to tackle anything else with a few hours of reading. restaurant article included an employee saying they really hoped he’d never watch the food network because he’d get “ideas”

mh, Saturday, 28 September 2019 22:05 (four months ago) link

I was thinking about the incident where he showed up on metafilter in a thread about an op-ed he wrote and proceeded to trash people, generally make noise and tell everyone they were projecting, and then disappear once he got called on his sock puppetry. There’s a reason he likes Trump, they both say a bunch of bullshit, gaslight you if you try to interpret their words as intended, and then spew more gibberish

http://mefiwiki.com/wiki/Scott_Adams,_plannedchaos

mh, Saturday, 28 September 2019 22:09 (four months ago) link

yeah I think there's a ton of overlap between Trump & Adams, outside of the fact that Adams was actually funny and self-aware at one point. Adams is very much a big believer in "the secret", his go-to explanation for how he made millions as a cartoonist despite not being able to draw, and thinks that Trump, a man who is now president despite no political experience or knowledge, knows "the secret" too. its all very PUA-style "just say the words in the right order and the universe will bend to your will", which I think explains why he's so impressed with shady car lot-style salesmanship

frogbs, Monday, 30 September 2019 22:22 (four months ago) link

I don’t think he was self-aware per se, he easily spoofed management junk that’s often received knowledge when there’s no understanding *why* management would do those things. It’s rife in corporate culture, same as any large bureaucracy. The thing is that he took the idea that there’s nothing to management, no learned skills. Not even the Peter Principle, but people promoted to a level where they don’t have to do actual work and can do no actual harm.

And as soon as he got to management, or the equivalent level of responsibility, he started acting like it’s all about making noise and distractions so people don’t see you’re incompetent, instead of learning actual competence.

Wouldn’t be surprised if part of his health issues were rooted in chronic anxiety tbh

mh, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 01:40 (four months ago) link

the whole idea presented in dilbert is that there are a lot of stupid people who can be easily manipulated to a ridiculous degree. i think he likes trump because trump's success could be taken as a demonstration that dilbert isn't satire.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 01:51 (four months ago) link

when was adams ever "funny" is my question? Dilbert was garbage when it came out imo.
http://www.zippythepinhead.com/pages/aaarticles.html

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 02:44 (four months ago) link

the text at that link is illegible but early dilbert was at minimum weirder and more wide-ranging before he zeroed in on the corporate office-worker drone shit

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 02:59 (four months ago) link

command and the + sign (or ctrl +) increases text size.
I'll c+p here, though 23 years of tech have certainly rendered this line of thinking awfully quaint)

COMICS AT 100 by Bill Griffith
THE BOSTON SUNDAY GLOBE Magazine, 11/10/96

The daily newspaper comic strip is one hundred years old. And it looks it. Shrunken. Pale. Shaky. One foot in the grave. Diagnosis: In desperate need of new blood. Instead, it gets "Dilbert".

Dilbert is all the rage. Dilbert is on the Best Seller list. Like the Ninja Turtles of a few years ago, you cannot avoid Dilbert. But is Dilbert a comic strip? Kind of. More to the point, Dilbert is a marketing strategy. It's the most popular and successful new comic strip in America today. What does this tell us about the medium? The comic strip exists in that twilight zone where art meets commerce.

Daily comics first made their appearance toward the end of the last century primarily as a way for publishers to increase newspaper circulation. The fact that they were graphically innovative and exciting to read was a bonus. Can the same be said of today's crop of strips? Comic strips today seem more of a comfort than an artistic statement. They're there. And, with a mind-numbing regularity, they'll be there, recycling the same diet jokes and lifestyle gags again and again, day after day. They're not really meant to be read. They’re meant to be scanned, quickly absorbed and just as quickly forgotten. But this wasn’t always the case.

At one time, newspaper comic strips, along with radio, performed the function in people’s lives that television does today. They were a powerful mass entertainment medium. "Dick Tracy" (Chester Gould), for instance, not only furnished readers with a daily dose of crime drama and fast-paced action, but did so with a gripping graphic sensibility. The strip literally leapt off the newsprint. The same can be said of "Krazy Kat" (George Herriman), "Popeye" (Elzie Segar), "Little Orphan Annie" (Harold Gray) and a host of other "classic" strips from the teens to the fifties. Does a contemporary strip like "Cathy" draw our eye to its spot on the page? Do the characters come alive in the way characters from good fiction or film do? Or are they simply caricatures of life, flat, stereotyped, and two-dimensional? This kind of work is what gives rise to the pejorative term, "cartoony".

It could be said that today’s comic strip readers get what they deserve. Long since psychically kidnapped by the gaudy, mindlessly hyperactive world of TV, they no longer demand or expect comic strips to be compelling, challenging, or even interesting. Enter "Cathy". And "Dilbert". Sure, comics are still funny. It’s just that the humor has almost no "nutritional" value. In the tiny space allotted to them , daily strips have all too successfully adapted to their new environment. In this Darwinian set-up, what thrives are simply drawn panels , minimal dialogue, and a lot of head- and -shoulder shots.Anything more complicated is deemed "too hard to read". A full, rich drawing style is a drawback. Simplicity, even crudity, rules. And when the graphics have been dumbed down, the writing follows in short order.

What we’re left with is a kind of childish, depleted shell of a once-vibrant medium. Comics is a language. It’s a language most people understand intuitively. If cartoonists use a large and varied "vocabulary" to entertain their readers, those readers will usually come along for the ride. It’s not a problem of the audience’s expectations having been hopelessly lowered, it’s a problem of the cartoonists’ ambitions needing a boost. Even within the size restrictions imposed on them today, comic strips can be more than filler. Given the user-friendly, low-tech intimacy of the printed page, the newspaper comic strip still has the potential to involve and reward the reader. Unfortunately, both cartoonist and reader have gone a bit flabby over the decades.

Does it have to be that way? Perhaps, with competition from video games, CD-ROMS, special effects movies and plain, old TV, comic strips are fighting an uphill battle for attention. And, on top of that, they play out their role in the archaic print medium, soon to be relegated to the communications boneyard , according to common wisdom. Not necessarily. There may be hope yet. Just as the automobile did not replace the bicycle, the over-hyped Internet will not replace newspapers. Newspapers will simply adapt to a different purpose. "Slate", the on-line electronic magazine , recently came out with "Slate on Paper", a real newsstand magazine. Why? Because people like print. Not to mention the fact that Slate cartoonist Mark Alan Stamaty’s strip looks a lot better on paper than it does flickering on a computer screen.

Another factor contributing to the anemic state of contemporary daily comics is the propensity of newspapers to target their "product" at readers much in the way that politicians use focus groups to pander to constituents’ "needs". Daily comic strips are regularly subjected to popularity polls to determine who reads what. Too often, as a result of low numbers, an interesting or controversial strip will be dropped. Editors and publishers who lament their narrowing readership are only contributing to this trend by opting for the lowest common denominator. Not everybody has to like "Doonesbury" for it to have a valid spot on the comics (or, in many cases, the editorial) page. Is the idea of diversity only to be encouraged in other areas? Recognizing that one person’s " "Beetle Bailey " is another’s "Bizarro", can only be healthy for the survival of the species.

Non-mainstream comics could actually help to bring back those demographically treasured under forty-somethings, who now flip channels the way they used to flip newspaper pages. Of course, compelling, regularly published comics on newsprint do exist. For the most part, though, they’re found in the pages of weekly, not daily newspapers. Strips like "Julius Knipl, Real Estate Photographer" (Ben Katchor), "Troubletown" (Lloyd Dangle), "Story Minute" (Carol Lay),"Life in Hell" (Matt Groening) and "Red Meat" (Max Cannon) are all noteworthy examples.There was a time about ten years ago when it seemed possible strips like these could find their way into daily syndication. But, through a combination of syndicate timidity and cartoonists’ lack of faith in the flexibility of the daily strip world, not much happened.

There are a few lively, well-crafted dailies bobbing bravely in a sea of blandness. "Mutts" (Patrick McDonnell) stands out, as does the venerable "Doonesbury’ (Garry Trudeau) and the occasionally adventurous "Bizarro" (Dan Piraro).These few, and a few others, are, however , exceptions to the rule.Can readers drifting toward brain-death from one too many "Garfields" ever be expected to enjoy the charms and subtleties of the quirky Ben Katchor? "Odie" can rest easy on the daily comics page. He won’t be seeing competition from the likes of Julius Knipl for a long, long time.

What does the future look like for the daily strip? Some, among them many comics syndicate executives, believe the brave new world of comics will have an exclusive on-line address. Forget about the chore of having to scan the comics line-up for your favorite strip (and, perhaps, not finding it there). Just click on "Peanuts" with your trusty mouse and catch up on Charlie Brown’s latest trials and tribulations. But what will be lost in that rosy scenario is what’s already disappearing as digital supplants analog; namely, the gestalt of the comics pages, the fun of thirty or so different (one would hope) art styles vying for the viewer’s attention.In the best of all possible daily strip worlds, it would be a genuine kick to see "Life in Hell"s Akhbar and Jeff give Spiderman a run for his money.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 03:31 (four months ago) link

This is kind of off-topic — but I remember when Mike Judge (who, unlike Adams, seems like an OK guy and who has done stuff I really like) made that movie Extract, he talked a lot in interviews (like this one) about how that movie was kind of a “bookend” to Office Space, sympathetic to “management’s” p.o.v. this time, as he’s been on both sides:

...suddenly, with Beavis and Butt-Head, I had thirty to as many as ninety people, at one point, working for me. And you know, seeing it from the other side, I suddenly became really sympathetic to the bosses. But to me, I don’t get any pleasure out of telling people what to do. But what I do like is seeing a big project through, and steering the ship and all that. And being the boss just kind of goes with the territory: that you sometimes have to tell people to do what they don’t want to do. But, you know, the bosses in Office Space are the types, the mid-management-types, that actually get off on the power of having people underneath them. [quiet laugh] They’re not really about the satisfaction of creating something, or manufacturing something.

#YABASIC (morrisp), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 03:46 (four months ago) link

In other words, I do think it’s possible for a single artiste to work both sides of the fence satirically — but it’s gotta be better than “They are all dumb.”

(Now, Extract isn’t necessarily as good a movie as Office Space, but I don’t think that’s a factor of its specific workplace pov.)

#YABASIC (morrisp), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 03:54 (four months ago) link


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